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Bad Timing or April Fool's Joke?
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#31
7 Frags +

these threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept

these threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept
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#32
5 Frags +
mthese threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.

[quote=m]these threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept[/quote]

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.
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#33
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thorn_mthese threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.

I completely agree with your logic when it has to do with a trial, but this isn't a PUBLIC trial. It's a closed door trial that their say is the only say, it's the exact same way that ESEA works

Just to note, I really haven't watched much Euro TF2 so I have no clue about he/she hacking or not.

[quote=thorn_][quote=m]these threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept[/quote]

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.[/quote]

I completely agree with your logic when it has to do with a trial, but this isn't a PUBLIC trial. It's a closed door trial that their say is the only say, it's the exact same way that ESEA works

Just to note, I really haven't watched much Euro TF2 so I have no clue about he/she hacking or not.
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#34
1 Frags +
Fzerothorn_mthese threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.

I completely agree with your logic when it has to do with a trial, but this isn't a PUBLIC trial. It's a closed door trial that their say is the only say, it's the exact same way that ESEA works

Just to note, I really haven't watched much Euro TF2 so I have no clue about he/she hacking or not.

That's why ESEA doesn't ban people on an opinionated basis, they need client proof.

Anyways, don't want to start any debates. My work is done here.

[quote=Fzero][quote=thorn_][quote=m]these threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept[/quote]

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.[/quote]

I completely agree with your logic when it has to do with a trial, but this isn't a PUBLIC trial. It's a closed door trial that their say is the only say, it's the exact same way that ESEA works

Just to note, I really haven't watched much Euro TF2 so I have no clue about he/she hacking or not.[/quote]
That's why ESEA doesn't ban people on an opinionated basis, they need client proof.

Anyways, don't want to start any debates. My work is done here.
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#35
0 Frags +
thorn_Fzerothorn_mthese threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.

I completely agree with your logic when it has to do with a trial, but this isn't a PUBLIC trial. It's a closed door trial that their say is the only say, it's the exact same way that ESEA works

Just to note, I really haven't watched much Euro TF2 so I have no clue about he/she hacking or not.

That's why ESEA doesn't ban people on an opinionated basis, they need client proof.

Correct in the case of hacking, but they can ban you without a care in the world for any other infraction that deem incorrect. You have no say in the matter and neither does anyone else. Both systems, in catching hackers, have their flaws. ESEA needs the client to get someone and it's nowhere near perfect, and some even argue awful at it, while the Euro have to deal with the fallible nature of humans

[quote=thorn_][quote=Fzero][quote=thorn_][quote=m]these threads literally take the same path every time

ban issued
-why is he banned?
we have concrete evidence showing him cheating
-ok show us
no, that would be stupid
-omg ac org is biased not being honest

you dont show how you catch a cheater, then other people (who cheat) will look at how he got caught and make sure they dont make the same mistake

this is not a hard concept[/quote]

Freedom of information is necessary in any trial. Evidence is useless if it is not necessary to ban someone.

I don't even care about this case in particular but your logic is questionable.[/quote]

I completely agree with your logic when it has to do with a trial, but this isn't a PUBLIC trial. It's a closed door trial that their say is the only say, it's the exact same way that ESEA works

Just to note, I really haven't watched much Euro TF2 so I have no clue about he/she hacking or not.[/quote]

That's why ESEA doesn't ban people on an opinionated basis, they need client proof.[/quote]

Correct in the case of hacking, but they can ban you without a care in the world for any other infraction that deem incorrect. You have no say in the matter and neither does anyone else. Both systems, in catching hackers, have their flaws. ESEA needs the client to get someone and it's nowhere near perfect, and some even argue awful at it, while the Euro have to deal with the fallible nature of humans
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#36
4 Frags +
thorn_That's why ESEA doesn't ban people on an opinionated basis, they need client proof.
Anyways, don't want to start any debates. My work is done here.

How do you know it's the client getting proof, and not just someone with an opinion saying the client has proof? You don't, because just like the ETF2L system, they're not showing you the evidence.

[quote=thorn_]
That's why ESEA doesn't ban people on an opinionated basis, they need client proof.
Anyways, don't want to start any debates. My work is done here.[/quote]
How do you know it's the client getting proof, and not just someone with an opinion saying the client has proof? You don't, because just like the ETF2L system, they're not showing you the evidence.
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#37
-4 Frags +

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#38
9 Frags +
Permzilladownpourseeing as the only evidence of hacks weve seen is the very fake looking "TviQbust", why banned only for wallhacks? it was clear that the video was meant to show an aimbot/triggerbot. Unless I'm missing something and people who are being accused of hacking can only be banned for a single thing.
we don't show the evidence for obvious reasons

what you mean like with quad?

[quote=Permzilla][quote=downpour]seeing as the only evidence of hacks weve seen is the very fake looking "TviQbust", why banned only for wallhacks? it was clear that the video was meant to show an aimbot/triggerbot. Unless I'm missing something and people who are being accused of hacking can only be banned for a single thing.[/quote]

we don't show the evidence for obvious reasons[/quote]

what you mean like with quad?
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#39
11 Frags +

why don't you get TviQ's side of the story, just because his aim is unique , doesn't mean he hacks. No ones going to believe he hacks until you release this evidence you aren't releasing for "obvious reasons". till then the only proof is a fake youtube video

tl;dr tviq 2strong

why don't you get TviQ's side of the story, just because his aim is unique , doesn't mean he hacks. No ones going to believe he hacks until you release this evidence you aren't releasing for "obvious reasons". till then the only proof is a fake youtube video

tl;dr tviq 2strong
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#40
4 Frags +

It's a joke.

TviQ's playing in scrims. Just check his steam profile from ">;" in the logs from today.

http://logs.tf/22612

It's a joke.

TviQ's playing in scrims. Just check his steam profile from ">;" in the logs from today.

http://logs.tf/22612
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#41
9 Frags +

http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg
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#42
14 Frags +
TviQhttp://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg

bottom right under opera window

This copy of Windows in not genuine

TviQ confirmed hacker.

[quote=TviQ]http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg[/quote]
[i]bottom right under opera window[/i]

[quote]This copy of Windows in not genuine[/quote]

TviQ confirmed hacker.
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#43
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TviQhttp://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg

You forgot to edit the other columns.

[quote=TviQ]http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg[/quote]

You forgot to edit the other columns.
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#44
1 Frags +

I thought I saw somewhere that he really did get banned... for 12 hours. Sounds like an april fool's joke to me.

I thought I saw somewhere that he really did get banned... for 12 hours. Sounds like an april fool's joke to me.
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#45
9 Frags +
TviQhttp://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg

>has two monitors

>ipz " maphack/ wallhack on his second monitor "

story checks out

[quote=TviQ]http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg[/quote]

>has two monitors

>ipz " maphack/ wallhack on his second monitor "

story checks out
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#46
2 Frags +

get fuuuuucked

get fuuuuucked
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#47
ETF2L
0 Frags +
TviQhttp://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg

Wow that damage output. One could almost say it's doubled what it should be

[quote=TviQ]http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg[/quote]


Wow that damage output. One could almost say it's doubled what it should be
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#48
2 Frags +
TviQhttp://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg

Wow, I knew you were cheating at JAVA. You cheeky bastard.

[quote=TviQ]http://i.imgur.com/GNtchUl.jpg[/quote]
Wow, I knew you were cheating at JAVA. You cheeky bastard.
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#49
0 Frags +

He played for them today so maybe it's all a joke. Good way to mock the AC team anyway.

He played for them today so maybe it's all a joke. Good way to mock the AC team anyway.
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#50
2 Frags +

One of the reasons for being banned is ESP.
How is this not an obvious troll?

One of the reasons for being banned is ESP.
How is this not an obvious troll?
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#51
1 Frags +

I'm just going to wait until April 2nd to look at this again... Hopefully things clear up as it's intriguing!

I'm just going to wait until April 2nd to look at this again... Hopefully things clear up as it's intriguing!
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#52
9 Frags +

A fake ban of someone who has been seriously accused of hacking would be unprofessional for a league.

A fake ban of someone who has been seriously accused of hacking would be unprofessional for a league.
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#53
0 Frags +
mage24365One of the reasons for being banned is ESP.
How is this not an obvious troll?

They've banned for ESP before.

[quote=mage24365]One of the reasons for being banned is ESP.
How is this not an obvious troll?[/quote]
They've banned for ESP before.
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#54
2 Frags +
timesthelegallimitA fake ban of someone who has been seriously accused of hacking would be unprofessional for a league.

A team using a cut player shortly after he was actually banned for hacking is equally unprofessional. Either way someone has fucked up.

[quote=timesthelegallimit]A fake ban of someone who has been seriously accused of hacking would be unprofessional for a league.[/quote]

A team using a cut player shortly after he was actually banned for hacking is equally unprofessional. Either way someone has fucked up.
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#55
17 Frags +

you know what would have been a funny april fools' joke? announcing a new 16v16 league or something.

not this shit.

you know what would have been a funny april fools' joke? announcing a new 16v16 league or something.

not this shit.
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#56
0 Frags +

They removed the mention of Tviq's ban and replaced it with an April Fools message.

(surprise surprised).

They removed the mention of Tviq's ban and replaced it with an April Fools message.

(surprise surprised).
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#57
4 Frags +

But the video and him being cut happened before April 1st, and he's been investigated for alleged hacking before. If the plan was to destroy the credibility of the AC team, good job.

But the video and him being cut happened before April 1st, and he's been investigated for alleged hacking before. If the plan was to destroy the credibility of the AC team, good job.
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#58
0 Frags +
fraacBut the video and him being cut happened before April 1st, and he's been investigated for alleged hacking before. If the plan was to destroy the credibility of the AC team, good job.

The video was a parody (similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcB85aX1pqY), and cutting him from the team was part of the joke. Maybe it wasn't that funny, but I don't think it says anything about the AC team.

[quote=fraac]But the video and him being cut happened before April 1st, and he's been investigated for alleged hacking before. If the plan was to destroy the credibility of the AC team, good job.[/quote]

The video was a parody (similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcB85aX1pqY), and cutting him from the team was part of the joke. Maybe it wasn't that funny, but I don't think it says anything about the AC team.
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#59
3 Frags +

April Fools jokes happen on April 1st. Waters have been muddied. You can't unbreak that egg.

April Fools jokes happen on April 1st. Waters have been muddied. You can't unbreak that egg.
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#60
0 Frags +

An April Fools joke is successful at fooling people if it's believable. This fooled people not because people thought Tviq hacked but because people believed the anti-cheat team was incompetent enough to ban Tviq.

An April Fools joke is successful at fooling people if it's believable. This fooled people not because people thought Tviq hacked but because people believed the anti-cheat team was incompetent enough to ban Tviq.
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