Guns arent that hard to get

The real solution here isn't gun laws or the bizarre notion of "identifying school shooters before they become one".

The real solution is having better security and having an armed gaurd with a gun in every school/public gathering place. So they can put a bullet through the next sick fucking peice of shit who decides to go shoot innocent children.

The government really needs to outline a budget and see what it will cost to do this because obviously these school shootings are becoming to frequent, this shit needs to be tackled directly not indirectly with "changing gun laws" and "better treatment of mentally ill" put a guy in every school protecting it with a gun and I can assure you these coward losers who were never hugged as a kid will think twice before fucking with someone who is trained and has a gun.

http://www.examiner.com/article/99-56-of-guns-used-as-intended

99.56% of guns are used for their intended uses. People that argue for guns are angry because it is not their fault and essentially, they ARE wrongly targeted whenever these kind of events happen.

Putting security guard is only going to be a temporary measure that does not solve the problem down to its root. Which would you rather have, something that get might indirectly get rid of the problem before it even starts or just placing a temporary that makes it harder to commit crimes?

they are if you're a poor, inner-city 17 year old

I am not talking about buzzer and intercom security. I am talking more about having an armed gaurd to protect innocent children.

At the end of the day there is always going to be a sick fuck who is going to do something like this. To stop things like this from happening is pretty much impossible. If there was another guy protecting those children with a gun that day I think the outcome would have been a lot different. Lives would definitely have been saved.

Before I go any further, I want to know how people feel about this statement, especially pro-gun people; What about a ban on auto and semi-auto weapons, or at least semi-auto pistols with extended clips? Or as others have said, limit the amount of ammo that one person can legally purchase?

I disagree with you fully. If there is an armed guard, the shooter now needs to devise a plan to get rid of that armed guard before continuing his plan to mass kill innocent children. That in itself is a barrier and a mechanism that will allow a delay before him fulfilling his duty of killing 20 children. That armed guard alone will buy more time for first responders to get to the scene and stop what is happening. Further more if a shoot-out were to take place I would say it is better that the gunman's focus is on firing against another adult who is paid to be there for a situation like this, as a pose to spraying a classroom full of children. At the end of the day an armed guard would be a solution and would definitely decrease the amount of fatalities and allow more time for the police to arrive and deal with the situation. To say it would have no effect at all is just ridiculous.

Your talking like these people who shoot up schools are special forces. It's not easy to just "sneak up" on a trained professional with a gun and kill him. Especially if he's trained and ready for someone to sneak up on him.

1) most of the school shooters put a lot of planning into their actions which is why it's prolly the hardest gun violence to completely avoid

2) your plan sounds wildly expensive and unpractical

3) it would still have a much smaller OVERALL effect on rates of gun homicide than simple gun control

4) since cops/the military would still be allowed to have guns and this dude would essentially be a cop/police officer, the two ideas arent mutually exclusive

sorry, it was to dopewolf

That's not correct at all, they were banned from Clinton for, I think, 10 years, but it was never renewed in 2004. Oh, I thought you said assault weapons

I'm kinda pro gun.

I support fully automatic weapon bans, but not all semiautomatic weapons should be banned. I would fully support pysch exam requirements, limits on the number of firearms people can own, and stricter requirements on locking up weapons (if someone steals your rifle and kills somebody and it can be proven that you did not have it locked up to standard, you would face charges as well, or something along those lines).

Well, it was a 223 assault rifle that was used primary in the shooting. Most of the children had 3-7 shots into them. When it comes to assault rifles, most states do not have bans on them. I honestly cannot think of a reason why an average, non-military, person needs to own one of these types of weapons. It's not like you're going hunting with these, nor would they be practical in self defense. I just never understood what reason anti-gun law people to argue against a federal ban on these weapons

99.989% of the nuclear heads in the world were never used to kill people. (18998 out of 19000 ), what's your point?

Also, what is that 'intended use'? Hunting? Shooting in target practise?
That's all useless stuff.
'Blah blah, freedom, what if I like hunting or shooting at targets for fun?'
Well, do you think it's a fair trade, all those lives lost to firearms, so other people could keep having fun?
Even 1 life is worth more than those guy's "fun", they can find another hobby.

Just like probably 30 millions americans.
It's not like those shooters look any different than any other of the millions depressed/disturbed/withdrawn people, before the shooting.
How do you deal with millions of those, when you know only 0.001% of these will actually shoot someone?
The joker killer, whatever his name was, had a psy to help him for years... And it still didn't stop him. He had a professionnal attention, and still did it.

So even if we could pinpoint the high-risk case, there's not much we can do beside locking them up preemptively. And w can't even do that, there's thousands of people like these and most won't ever kill anyone.

That argument ( about mental health and stuff ) reminds me of an argument we often see in discussions about rapists. Someone would advice girls to be careful, then someone (never miss) replies "Rather than telling the victims not to be raped, why don't you tell the rapists not to rape?"
Well, rapists are criminals, they probably won't listen, even if I ask very politely.

The same deals with shooters. Unless we go with something radical ( killing/locking up everyone that looks disturbed ), we can't stop shootings from happening. Hell, even if we DID kill all those guys, some 'normal' people would shoot anyway at some point.

One of our best move is to try to make it harder for these to actually kill people. Guns help people kill each others so much it's ridiculous. YOu always havesomeone saying 'If you want to kill, you'll kill, gun or no gun!'... If you want to kill 1 guy, yeah, probably. Anyone can break into someone's house in the night and knife him down. But how many people would anders breivik kill without guns? Do you picture him killing 70 with a knife or his bare hands?

People kill people, but they use devices/tools to help them, and there's a reason we prohibit the most lethals of these.
Saying they'd kill anyway is stupid.
If some disturbed psychotic is crazy enough to kill 10 with a knife, how many do you think he'd kill with a gun? With a rifle? With missiles?

If every citizen in the US had access to the 'red button' to launch all US missiles, the world would end in the hour.
There's enough civilian's guns to kill everyone in the world too. But it's not gonna happen.

There's no valid reason any civilian should own an automatic rifle, and very few reasons he should own an handgun, beside MUH FREEDUMMMMM!

Looks like a modded 223, which was used

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem."

The gun culture in the USA is one of the most bizarre aspects of the country to outsiders. I'm glad that there are people in this thread with some sense.

However-

Your ability to say this casually makes me not want to live in your country.

RIP to those lost.

In my opinion, no one has a reason to own an assault rifle unless they're of authority. Or anything more than a hunting rifle, really. Maybe something that will stop a criminal.

If you say that hunting rifles should be banned because they can be used to kill people even though their main purposes are sport and food, then cars should be banned because they can kill people even though their main purpose is transportation. Just my opinion. If you believe that animals should not be used for sport/food then it's fine for you to believe that.

Note: I personally do not hunt.

When I was living in Vancouver, there were 19 (like 14 of which were murders of passion) murders in one month, that same month there were 400+ murders in Chicago.

And if you noticed, those people that are arguing for gun restrictions will never say remove all weapons. We generally only want to remove those that are designed to kill other people. The hard part is the gun lovers are, more often than not, not willing to move an inch to the center. Not all, but a majority.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20PHiPE4SyM

I have my own rifle and ammunition and I'm only a teenager. The gun isn't my dad's, it's mine. It was given to me by my dad's friend who wanted me to have it since I was a great shot and a "good kid." I moved from the East coast to West coast with my gun and had no problems. Guns are easy to obtain and transport. I personally believe that guns are the problem, its who is using the guns that need to be controlled.

the issue here is not guns AT ALL. yes, he had an assault rifle, but what would have changed if instead he had 6 pistols fully loaded? or several homemade pipe bombs?

THE ISSUE HERE IS MENTAL HEALTH. WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AS A COUNTRY OF RECOGNIZING + HELPING PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS MENTAL PROBLEMS.

if you really want to help, please start looking into politicians and their plans/stances on helping the mentally disturbed.

Maybe here, but I have read comments on articles calling for all guns to be banned. I just wanted to state my personal opinion on what should be done.

I was waiting for someone to post the fake Morgan Freeman quote. Sure you can somewhat put the blame on the media for potentially inspiring copycats due to sensationalism, but that doesn't change the facts. Accessibility of guns vs access to mental health/treatment.

If anything, the medias part in the story is the lesser of the three(lol) evils.

can someone explain to me how gun control and changing our views on mental health are at all mutually exclusive

because people keep arguing as if they are

I really am trying hard to take him seriously but... that back round music...