if you think they reverted the effect of the sniper crouuch thing, sorry! rd_asteroid reverted

I like to think that if you removed the ability to double-crouch after a scope-jump this would be better - a regular jump with no crouch is still predictable and the hitbox isn't messed up. The whole "I can't surf rockets" part of this change is what's horrible.

It's upsetting, regardless of how good or bad the changes are, because the TF2 beta was released for weapon/class balance updates. So we're forced to deal with these changes rather than playing the same game we have, with the option to play test these changes and give our feedback, if we wanted.

rip esea matches btw

servers aren't updated

R I P

http://i.imgur.com/eNRWzOh.gif

this pls

Is there any chance the servers will be updated tonight?

please tri grace us with your wisdom

Seeing as it's been 4 hours and the servers aren't updated I'd assume we have matches tonight ladies and gents.

I guess we'll wait and here from tri before we call it a night.

Sorry everyone. Since Valve in their wisdom released a 2nd update at 9:30 to fix a small thing from their 1st update or something the servers weren't updated for the 2nd update. I'm trying to contact Shooter to get the servers updated.

tri,

As far as I know the 2nd update didn't require a server restart. Sincerely, me.

this sniper change is pretty stupid.

it just gives you less incentive to take a shot in sniper 1v1s. it was already bad enough where no one wanted to shoot cause you're most likely instantly dead after. now youre 100 percent dead if you miss the other sniper whos probably crouch jumping around abusing hitboxes.

to improve the pub experience try doing something useful like deleting darwins danger shield. no idea why a sniper can survive a headshot. it just forces both tryhard players to wear it and then run away when they take 1 headshot. or have a charged shot duel which is just stupid. and it essentially nerfs the sniper vs other classes particularly spy but hes forced to wear it to countersnipe. such bad game design.

I dont see what sniper jumping has to do with pubs sucking.
pubbing is mostly not fun because heavy class exists. and engineers.. sentries, mini sentries.
many other things to a lesser degree like the pipes that look like normal pipes but travel faster (loch and load) and many other retarded unlocks, random crits, shitty fps.

it did though x.x

It did. It ruined my scrim because someone had to restart his PC.

Really? It let me join a server that I only updated after the first update after downloading both updates. I guess I could be wrong though.

i quit just in time

you're thinking backwards. the client didn't have to update unless it were to join the rd map, but the server did, but if you updated tf2 you can't join older servers ever by an engine rule. the servers have to update for updated clients.
don't take my word for it, but it's probably something like that.

they also ruined the awp scope in cs:go.
just a lovely day for snipers

I want 10 billion of the bear hats.

what happened to it

when you A/\D with it it has this nasty closing effect to it and its just really tiny

When the lines were blurred I thought my walk key was broken

I really don't hope you're thinking "this doesn't make sense, it should" about all mechanics in TF2. It's supposed to be fun and balanced, not real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc7ZaaLYKw8

Completely agree, I'm surprised at some of the comments regarding snipers jumping,

Do people actually still do that? It's far more beneficial not to jump as it allows getting a quicker shot off.

If anything, jumping only ever worked for the higher ping players whilst spinning anyhow.

I also agree with this, maybe removing the jump is a bit harsh for our public friends and instead introduce some sort of scope / damage penalty.

I tried out sniper last night and it was totally fine.

If you still want to jump, you have to time it perfectly with the moment you are shooting and it STILL works. I honestly had no problems with this update so far.

Did this really need to be fixed? I don't believe I've heard anyone say it was broken. Yes, it's silghtly harder to hit a sniper who is crouch-jumping, but if you play the game for more than 30 minutes you can easily adjust your aim to hit his hitbox. Spamming crouch (a maximum of two times) does make it more difficult to headshot a sniper, but you can simply wait for him to touch the ground.

For me jumping wasn't about making my hitbox harder to hit, but surfing explosive dmg and more importantly awareness. I may not notice something important (flanking or hidden player, etc.) in the <1 second unscope time.