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Might Number Feminism
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#1
16 Frags +

My condolences to anyone who backed the project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDSfUJBCj0&html5=1

Overview: "random" person named Dina makes fanart on the Mighty No. 9 donator page, claiming the main character should be female for gender equality. She is suddenly hired.
First shes the community manager, Then shes a robot designer/game artist.
Then she has even more involvement with the project.
Turns out through her twitter shes never even played megaman, plus a ton more feminism stuff (Note: I am not against this per say, I am against the following)
Also turns out because shes friends/dating someone in comcept and was never a "random" donator, and got the job because of it.
People who donated demand answers, afraid she will turn the game into something else they did note donate for.
Dina replies by locking her twitter, deleting all the previous damning tweets, and reopening it saying everything is okie dokie.

tl;dr: Mighty No. 9 may have some forced feminism. I'm for equal rights, but when you need to piss of thousands of people who paid for something to try and push it, you're fucking doing it wrong.

This all happened within the last day so STAY TUNED AS DRAMA DEVELOPS.

My condolences to anyone who backed the project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDSfUJBCj0&html5=1

Overview: "random" person named Dina makes fanart on the Mighty No. 9 donator page, claiming the main character should be female for gender equality. She is suddenly hired.
First shes the community manager, Then shes a robot designer/game artist.
Then she has even more involvement with the project.
Turns out through her twitter shes never even played megaman, plus a ton more feminism stuff (Note: I am not against this per say, I am against the following)
Also turns out because shes friends/dating someone in comcept and was never a "random" donator, and got the job because of it.
People who donated demand answers, afraid she will turn the game into something else they did note donate for.
Dina replies by locking her twitter, deleting all the previous damning tweets, and reopening it saying everything is okie dokie.

tl;dr: Mighty No. 9 may have some forced feminism. I'm for equal rights, but when you need to piss of thousands of people who paid for something to try and push it, you're fucking doing it wrong.

This all happened within the last day so STAY TUNED AS DRAMA DEVELOPS.
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#2
11 Frags +

this guy is kind of a cunt and it's a 20 minute video of him going off on tangents so you'd probably be better of explaining it in the op

this guy is kind of a cunt and it's a 20 minute video of him going off on tangents so you'd probably be better of explaining it in the op
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#3
4 Frags +

whatever the fuck happened to video games just being about fucking fun

this guy is fucking boring and annoying and super self-righteous

whatever the fuck happened to video games just being about fucking fun

this guy is fucking boring and annoying and super self-righteous
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#4
15 Frags +

more offended that she thinks Beyond Two Souls is good.

more offended that she thinks Beyond Two Souls is good.
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#5
-4 Frags +

wait this isnt about the sarkesian lady

wait this isnt about the sarkesian lady
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#6
8 Frags +

This is such a non-issue, why can't they just make it so that you can play either as a male or female character?

This is such a non-issue, why can't they just make it so that you can play either as a male or female character?
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#7
10 Frags +

meh, video was a little rambling, but he got his point accross and backed up every point with some hard evidence. 7/10 had nothing better to do for those 20 mins

meh, video was a little rambling, but he got his point accross and backed up every point with some hard evidence. 7/10 had nothing better to do for those 20 mins
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#8
4 Frags +

This entire thing hurts my brain.

This entire thing hurts my brain.
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#9
6 Frags +

kickstarter has been a joke since it has gotten popular

hope this game turns out well though

kickstarter has been a joke since it has gotten popular

hope this game turns out well though
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#10
-4 Frags +

i am offended that this idiot put henry rollins as the song at the end of his video

i am offended that this idiot put henry rollins as the song at the end of his video
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#11
4 Frags +

i'm like 3 minutes in and he hasn't said anything constructive. it's not hard to make a concise video about a topic like this. this dude loves his voice too much.

i'm like 3 minutes in and he hasn't said anything constructive. it's not hard to make a concise video about a topic like this. this dude loves his voice too much.
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#12
-3 Frags +

women

women
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#13
cp_process, cp_metalworks
3 Frags +

Oh no you guys. Ohhhhhhh no.

FEMINISM!

What ever will we do. FEM. In ISM. OH

NO.

Oh no you guys. Ohhhhhhh no.

FEMINISM!

What ever will we do. FEM. In ISM. OH

NO.
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#14
-7 Frags +

an under-qualified female under internet scrutiny while there are two hundred times more under-qualified male employees making even bigger mistakes with absolutely no scrutiny weeeeoooooowwwwwww agendas agendas agendas

an under-qualified female under internet scrutiny while there are two hundred times more under-qualified male employees making even bigger mistakes with absolutely no scrutiny weeeeoooooowwwwwww agendas agendas agendas
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#15
-16 Frags +

If you have an issue with this woman joining the team (to the point where you'd withdraw support from a game you otherwise endorse), you're part of the problem.

If you have an issue with this woman joining the team (to the point where you'd withdraw support from a game you otherwise endorse), you're part of the problem.
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#16
31 Frags +
Mr_OwlIf you have an issue with this woman joining the team (to the point where you'd withdraw support from a game you otherwise endorse), you're part of the problem.

The problem is, SHE'S NEVER PLAYED FUCKING MEGAMAN.

[quote=Mr_Owl]If you have an issue with this woman joining the team (to the point where you'd withdraw support from a game you otherwise endorse), you're part of the problem.[/quote]

The problem is, SHE'S NEVER PLAYED FUCKING MEGAMAN.
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#17
17 Frags +
Mr_OwlIf you have an issue with this woman joining the team (to the point where you'd withdraw support from a game you otherwise endorse), you're part of the problem.

nepotism isn't ok

[quote=Mr_Owl]If you have an issue with this woman joining the team (to the point where you'd withdraw support from a game you otherwise endorse), you're part of the problem.[/quote]

nepotism isn't ok
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#18
0 Frags +
rQwireThis is such a non-issue, why can't they just make it so that you can play either as a male or female character?

You clearly didn't watch the video.

[quote=rQwire]This is such a non-issue, why can't they just make it so that you can play either as a male or female character?[/quote]

You clearly didn't watch the video.
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#19
-8 Frags +

I watched the entire video, kept waiting for something convincing and... nothing. I don't really see any issue, donators shouldn't have any say in who joins their team. And a community manager/concept artist doesn't need to have ever played megaman

I watched the entire video, kept waiting for something convincing and... nothing. I don't really see any issue, donators shouldn't have any say in who joins their team. And a community manager/concept artist doesn't need to have ever played megaman
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#20
-1 Frags +

Her argument doesn't really work when some of the most popular games ever made have girl protagonists.

Portal 1 and 2... girl

Heart of the swarm... role reversal the guy is the damsel in distress

Anything by blizzard pretty much whatever gender you want to be you can be and make them look however you want.

Skyrim you can be a girl and do whatever you want.

Her argument doesn't really work when some of the most popular games ever made have girl protagonists.

Portal 1 and 2... girl

Heart of the swarm... role reversal the guy is the damsel in distress

Anything by blizzard pretty much whatever gender you want to be you can be and make them look however you want.

Skyrim you can be a girl and do whatever you want.
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#21
17 Frags +

I need feminism because mega-MAN identifies as a male, disgusting cis scum.

I need feminism because mega-MAN identifies as a male, disgusting cis scum.
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#22
-17 Frags +

Oh my god, a feminist is working on a videogame. And since males on youtube seem to think that all feminists are literally reincarnations of the devil this is unacceptable. I agree that they should have hired someone more qualified but you also shouldn't be flipping out about an art designer/community manager

Oh my god, a feminist is working on a videogame. And since males on youtube seem to think that all feminists are literally reincarnations of the devil this is unacceptable. I agree that they should have hired someone more qualified but you also shouldn't be flipping out about an art designer/community manager
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#23
26 Frags +
shruggerI watched the entire video, kept waiting for something convincing and... nothing. I don't really see any issue, donators shouldn't have any say in qho joins their team. And a community manager/concept artist doesn't need to have ever played megaman

Part of the kickstarter promise was that the game would be worked on by veteran game designers and programmers who have experience with megaman in particular. It also promised complete transparency in the development process, and the backers a voice in developmental decisions.

The woman does not meet any of those qualifications and the community has almost universally rejected her. She has demonstrated a complete lack of PR or community management skills by deleting her initial tweets about having never played megaman, and responding extremely poorly to all of the questions directed at her.

Top it all off with her being a feminist (not her saying female protaganist for gender equality, she has a history of vocal feminism), and it explodes into another feminist controversy, with feminists claiming the community rejection was misogyny, and not for any of the reasons listed above. They say this despite the fact that there are other women on the team, notably the woman creating the games soundtrack, who is there because she has many years of experience and has worked on previous megaman games.

Backers have every right to be upset about this. If it were an independent studio with their own funding they could hire whatever terrible community manager they wanted. But they promised their backers certain standards, and their new community manager doesn't meet any of them.

tl;dr Feminists are claiming that the community manager is being rejected because she is a women/feminist, when the reality is that she doesn't meet any of the standards the kickstarter promised their backers.

[quote=shrugger]I watched the entire video, kept waiting for something convincing and... nothing. I don't really see any issue, donators shouldn't have any say in qho joins their team. And a community manager/concept artist doesn't need to have ever played megaman[/quote]

Part of the kickstarter promise was that the game would be worked on by veteran game designers and programmers who have experience with megaman in particular. It also promised complete transparency in the development process, and the backers a voice in developmental decisions.

The woman does not meet any of those qualifications and the community has almost universally rejected her. She has demonstrated a complete lack of PR or community management skills by deleting her initial tweets about having never played megaman, and responding extremely poorly to all of the questions directed at her.

Top it all off with her being a feminist (not her saying female protaganist for gender equality, she has a history of vocal feminism), and it explodes into another feminist controversy, with feminists claiming the community rejection was misogyny, and not for any of the reasons listed above. They say this despite the fact that there are other women on the team, notably the woman creating the games soundtrack, who is there because she has many years of experience and has worked on previous megaman games.

Backers have every right to be upset about this. If it were an independent studio with their own funding they could hire whatever terrible community manager they wanted. But they promised their backers certain standards, and their new community manager doesn't meet any of them.

tl;dr Feminists are claiming that the community manager is being rejected because she is a women/feminist, when the reality is that she doesn't meet any of the standards the kickstarter promised their backers.
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#24
10 Frags +

the only problem with any of this is that someone somewhere chose to use the fact that shes a woman and the buzzword "feminism" to strengthen their argument, rather than focusing on any sort of actual issue

keep it above the belt, peeps

the only problem with any of this is that someone somewhere chose to use the fact that shes a woman and the buzzword "feminism" to strengthen their argument, rather than focusing on any sort of actual issue

keep it above the belt, peeps
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#25
cp_process, cp_metalworks
0 Frags +

Things I learned in this thread: Random shitheads on youtube know better than Kenji "Motherfuckingboss" Inafune who to hire for a community manager role.

Things I learned in this thread: Random shitheads on youtube know better than Kenji "Motherfuckingboss" Inafune who to hire for a community manager role.
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#26
4 Frags +
thronesan under-qualified female under internet scrutiny while there are two hundred times more under-qualified male employees making even bigger mistakes with absolutely no scrutiny weeeeoooooowwwwwww agendas agendas agendas

example of a man doing "200 times worse" on this project is necessary for you to make this claim

[quote=thrones]an under-qualified female under internet scrutiny while there are two hundred times more under-qualified male employees making even bigger mistakes with absolutely no scrutiny weeeeoooooowwwwwww agendas agendas agendas[/quote]
example of a man doing "200 times worse" on this project is necessary for you to make this claim
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#27
1 Frags +

Well, I guess Reddit is bleeding over today...

Well, I guess Reddit is bleeding over today...
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#28
-7 Frags +

99.99999% of all indie/kiskstarter games are complete shit anyway.

99.99999% of all indie/kiskstarter games are complete shit anyway.
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#29
cp_process, cp_metalworks
-1 Frags +
Bolshevikthronesan under-qualified female under internet scrutiny while there are two hundred times more under-qualified male employees making even bigger mistakes with absolutely no scrutiny weeeeoooooowwwwwww agendas agendas agendasexample of a man doing "200 times worse" on this project is necessary for you to make this claim

I'm sorry what? You might want to reread the post you "quoted" as "200 times worse" doesn't even appear.

"YOU GUYS I AM QUOTING SOMEONE IN A DAMNING FASHION".

[quote=Bolshevik][quote=thrones]an under-qualified female under internet scrutiny while there are two hundred times more under-qualified male employees making even bigger mistakes with absolutely no scrutiny weeeeoooooowwwwwww agendas agendas agendas[/quote]
example of a man doing "200 times worse" on this project is necessary for you to make this claim[/quote]
I'm sorry what? You might want to reread the post you "quoted" as "200 times worse" doesn't even appear.

"YOU GUYS I AM QUOTING SOMEONE IN A DAMNING FASHION".
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#30
-2 Frags +

it's ok bc my wording was awful anyways

it's ok bc my wording was awful anyways
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