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#1
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Hey i'm a pocket for a silver team and I really need to work on my tunnelvision. I can perform fine for the first half of a scrim because everything is fresh and i can stay on track, but if i play more than 1 scrim or something, i start getting overloaded. Like, if one thing goes wrong or confuses me i can't move on from that fast enough and everything snowballs downhill. Is there anyway to work on this? Should i warm up better or something?

Hey i'm a pocket for a silver team and I really need to work on my tunnelvision. I can perform fine for the first half of a scrim because everything is fresh and i can stay on track, but if i play more than 1 scrim or something, i start getting overloaded. Like, if one thing goes wrong or confuses me i can't move on from that fast enough and everything snowballs downhill. Is there anyway to work on this? Should i warm up better or something?
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#2
17 Frags +

Cant so much help you with tunnel vision, you could probably get good advice for that from someone else, but as for the moving on part, i can help a little. As someone who plays hockey at a high level and as a defense man, you end up making mistakes during games, and some of those may even cost your team a goal or even worse, the game. You basically have to look at the mistake as something that happened and wont happen again. By dwelling on the mistake you just end up hurting your team and playing "soft". When you play anything that needs you to be physical or aggressive playing tentative will only cost you to play worse and hurt your team more. Just remember that you are playing at that level because your good enough to be there. Don't worry about one mistake, let it go and learn from it. Hopefully my analogy wasn't too extreme, hope i helped a little :)

Cant so much help you with tunnel vision, you could probably get good advice for that from someone else, but as for the moving on part, i can help a little. As someone who plays hockey at a high level and as a defense man, you end up making mistakes during games, and some of those may even cost your team a goal or even worse, the game. You basically have to look at the mistake as something that happened and wont happen again. By dwelling on the mistake you just end up hurting your team and playing "soft". When you play anything that needs you to be physical or aggressive playing tentative will only cost you to play worse and hurt your team more. Just remember that you are playing at that level because your good enough to be there. Don't worry about one mistake, let it go and learn from it. Hopefully my analogy wasn't too extreme, hope i helped a little :)
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#3
-14 Frags +

buy a larger monitor

buy a larger monitor
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#4
-12 Frags +

just dont tunnel vision

just [i]dont[/i] tunnel vision
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#5
-13 Frags +

Get high as fuck.

Get high as [i]fuck[/i].
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#6
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Thank you for that advice. I don't tunnelvision on my aim as much as what just happened tbh. Like, if their team does something really weird or if comms aren't present enough or something (maybe i'm just not responding to them well enough) then i get confused and everything on from that point is just random. Like, how am i supposed to react to situations where things don't make sense?

my monitor is fine i don't need a couple more pixels to play better.

Thank you for that advice. I don't tunnelvision on my aim as much as what just happened tbh. Like, if their team does something really weird or if comms aren't present enough or something (maybe i'm just not responding to them well enough) then i get confused and everything on from that point is just random. Like, how am i supposed to react to situations where things don't make sense?

my monitor is fine i don't need a couple more pixels to play better.
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#7
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OblivionageThank you for that advice. I don't tunnelvision on my aim as much as what just happened tbh. Like, if their team does something really weird or if comms aren't present enough or something (maybe i'm just not responding to them well enough) then i get confused and everything on from that point is just random. Like, how am i supposed to react to situations where things don't make sense?

my monitor is fine i don't need a couple more pixels to play better.

I don't exactly know what you mean by something not making sense in TF2 because at the level that I play (lobbies, pubs), nothing makes sense. But sometimes the best way to counter a team is to play like an idiot. Its easy to get under other teams skin and get in their heads when you aren't playing TF2 how it is "expected" to be played. Not exactly sure what I mean, i guess I'll let you figure that out.

[quote=Oblivionage]Thank you for that advice. I don't tunnelvision on my aim as much as what just happened tbh. Like, if their team does something really weird or if comms aren't present enough or something (maybe i'm just not responding to them well enough) then i get confused and everything on from that point is just random. Like, how am i supposed to react to situations where things don't make sense?

my monitor is fine i don't need a couple more pixels to play better.[/quote]
I don't exactly know what you mean by something not making sense in TF2 because at the level that I play (lobbies, pubs), nothing makes sense. But sometimes the best way to counter a team is to play like an idiot. Its easy to get under other teams skin and get in their heads when you aren't playing TF2 how it is "expected" to be played. Not exactly sure what I mean, i guess I'll let you figure that out.
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#8
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Hmm I think i just play by the books too much like I figure everything will be calculated and shit. I need to adapt more probably. If a team runs kritz when it doesn't seem like they should or if they do something when it seems like they shouldn't instead of adapting perhaps i just get confused and do a shit job at dealing with it. is there a way to deal with this better? maybe play mixes more since they're pretty random

Hmm I think i just play by the books too much like I figure everything will be calculated and shit. I need to adapt more probably. If a team runs kritz when it doesn't seem like they should or if they do something when it seems like they shouldn't instead of adapting perhaps i just get confused and do a shit job at dealing with it. is there a way to deal with this better? maybe play mixes more since they're pretty random
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#9
0 Frags +

fov_desired 90

In all seriousness though, if you find yourself tunnel visioning, slow it down, play it by the books, don't let yourself become confused. Find your med, shoot feet and get kills, you don't need to try to keep the game going at an insane pace, try to force the other team to think twice before doing something crazy.

fov_desired 90

In all seriousness though, if you find yourself tunnel visioning, slow it down, play it by the books, don't let yourself become confused. Find your med, shoot feet and get kills, you don't need to try to keep the game going at an insane pace, try to force the other team to think twice before doing something crazy.
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#10
5 Frags +

fov_desired 75 (or whatever the smallest available is)

smaller size will force you to look around more in fights. seriously.

fov_desired 75 (or whatever the smallest available is)

smaller size will force you to look around more in fights. seriously.
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#11
-2 Frags +

the only way to prevent tunnel vision is to look around. Duh....

the only way to prevent tunnel vision is to look around. Duh....
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#12
1 Frags +

Go into an empty server and simulate a midfight/push/hold/whatever it is you tunnelvision in, and practice looking at every single thing there. I'm talking doorways, hiding spots, little aesthetics (like the fire extinguishers on badlands) and practice running around it, looking at all of it, keeping your mouse on a swivel

Go into an empty server and simulate a midfight/push/hold/whatever it is you tunnelvision in, and practice looking at every single thing there. I'm talking doorways, hiding spots, little aesthetics (like the fire extinguishers on badlands) and practice running around it, looking at all of it, keeping your mouse on a swivel
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#13
1 Frags +

I used to tunnel vision a whole lot back when i first started playing. Someone who used to mentor me suggested that I turn my crosshair off and play like that for a bit. You can do it on a local server and run around, mge, in dm, or whatever (DM probably works best). You'll end up missing a ton of shots but you can't look at your crosshair anymore and you should be trying to look at your entire screen instead of just the middle area.

You could also try moving your health and ammo on your screen to the edges?

I used to tunnel vision a whole lot back when i first started playing. Someone who used to mentor me suggested that I turn my crosshair off and play like that for a bit. You can do it on a local server and run around, mge, in dm, or whatever (DM probably works best). You'll end up missing a ton of shots but you can't look at your crosshair anymore and you should be trying to look at your entire screen instead of just the middle area.

You could also try moving your health and ammo on your screen to the edges?
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#14
1 Frags +

It's not an uncommon problem.

Mainly from reading your post your issue is about in-game experience. The feeling I get is that you have to try really hard to stay on top of things and to comm the way you feel you should and that gets exhausting, and then after a while you start slowing down and things don't add up anymore.

It will go away in time - the other way to fix it is to encourage somebody else on your team to start helping you so that when you start to fade or get mentally exhausted somebody else can step in for you and keep a lid on the situation.

It's almost entirely experience - you'll learn to see things coming more - and your teammates will rely less on your calls as they too gain experience in playing. There's no real quick fix, so to speak, for this problem - everybody goes through it.

The only thing I could suggest, is if you find that you're scrimming A TON and you lose your later scrims and the morale of the team is being damaged, take breaks and don't scrim so much in one sitting. Generally 2-3 scrims is the max and that 3rd scrim is usually pretty shadey lol.

It's not an uncommon problem.

Mainly from reading your post your issue is about in-game experience. The feeling I get is that you have to try really hard to stay on top of things and to comm the way you feel you should and that gets exhausting, and then after a while you start slowing down and things don't add up anymore.

It will go away in time - the other way to fix it is to encourage somebody else on your team to start helping you so that when you start to fade or get mentally exhausted somebody else can step in for you and keep a lid on the situation.

It's almost entirely experience - you'll learn to see things coming more - and your teammates will rely less on your calls as they too gain experience in playing. There's no real quick fix, so to speak, for this problem - everybody goes through it.

The only thing I could suggest, is if you find that you're scrimming A TON and you lose your later scrims and the morale of the team is being damaged, take breaks and don't scrim so much in one sitting. Generally 2-3 scrims is the max and that 3rd scrim is usually pretty shadey lol.
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#15
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MarxistIt's not an uncommon problem.

Mainly from reading your post your issue is about in-game experience. The feeling I get is that you have to try really hard to stay on top of things and to comm the way you feel you should and that gets exhausting, and then after a while you start slowing down and things don't add up anymore.

It will go away in time - the other way to fix it is to encourage somebody else on your team to start helping you so that when you start to fade or get mentally exhausted somebody else can step in for you.

That's pretty much exactly what's happening. I was beginning to consider getting a mentor or something of a higher level to help me in situations i don't understand what to do but that is much easier to do. I probably should have mentioned that I maincall so I have an issue about micromanaging sometimes so yeah it does get exhausting. I just feel like I need to call everything the team should be doing or at least the combo but eventually I do get drained of trying to control the entire team. Without someone maincalling and pretty much moving the team i feel like we're pretty much just playing a pub so maybe i should get a secondary maincaller or something.

[quote=Marxist]It's not an uncommon problem.

Mainly from reading your post your issue is about in-game experience. The feeling I get is that you have to try really hard to stay on top of things and to comm the way you feel you should and that gets exhausting, and then after a while you start slowing down and things don't add up anymore.

It will go away in time - the other way to fix it is to encourage somebody else on your team to start helping you so that when you start to fade or get mentally exhausted somebody else can step in for you.[/quote]

That's pretty much exactly what's happening. I was beginning to consider getting a mentor or something of a higher level to help me in situations i don't understand what to do but that is much easier to do. I probably should have mentioned that I maincall so I have an issue about micromanaging sometimes so yeah it does get exhausting. I just feel like I need to call everything the team should be doing or at least the combo but eventually I do get drained of trying to control the entire team. Without someone maincalling and pretty much moving the team i feel like we're pretty much just playing a pub so maybe i should get a secondary maincaller or something.
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#16
1 Frags +

Watch demos of yourself playing. I always find it amazingly useful to figure out where you went wrong or what you could have done better. Reviewing when you're not caught up in the excitement of a match, or focused on DMing gives your mind the freedom to look at situations more objectively. If it's an STV watch any confusing sections a couple times to figure out what your team was up to, and if there was a way you could have supported each other better, or if there was a clear moment you should have known to either withdraw or push.

The more you watch, and figure out, the more second nature decision making becomes. The most important thing is knowing WHY you should be playing by the book at any moment, and recognizing situations you can take advantage of, or should run like hell from.

Watch demos of yourself playing. I always find it amazingly useful to figure out where you went wrong or what you could have done better. Reviewing when you're not caught up in the excitement of a match, or focused on DMing gives your mind the freedom to look at situations more objectively. If it's an STV watch any confusing sections a couple times to figure out what your team was up to, and if there was a way you could have supported each other better, or if there was a clear moment you should have known to either withdraw or push.

The more you watch, and figure out, the more second nature decision making becomes. The most important thing is knowing [b]WHY[/b] you should be playing by the book at any moment, and recognizing situations you can take advantage of, or should run like hell from.
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#17
1 Frags +

idk, i feel like throwing in some of my unintelligent 2 cents here
if you play a lot of mge, try playing more soapdm, it'll help you learn how to deal with multiple players at once rather than mge when you face the same guy up to 39 times
it's just things i noticed about myself, but it may be a different story for me because i play scout

idk, i feel like throwing in some of my unintelligent 2 cents here
if you play a lot of mge, try playing more soapdm, it'll help you learn how to deal with multiple players at once rather than mge when you face the same guy up to 39 times
it's just things i noticed about myself, but it may be a different story for me because i play scout
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#18
0 Frags +

Restart your train of thought. Put everything out of your mind, and start over as if everything's new again.

Restart your train of thought. Put everything out of your mind, and start over as if everything's new again.
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#19
0 Frags +

I had the same problem when I first started getting into pocketing and for me personally it was mostly because of having a hud that didn't really stand out in my eye so I was looking at my health and ammo alot so I asked a friend to adjust his hud for me a bit so that the health cross would be alot bigger and more visible/bright font colors so I wouldn't be searching for the numbers all the time.

Also, alot of it is just experience in the game, when I first attempted to play demo I sucked really bad cause I tunnel visioned alot and didn't really deal with my blindspots. Learning to spread/focus your damage effectively just comes from playing the game

I had the same problem when I first started getting into pocketing and for me personally it was mostly because of having a hud that didn't really stand out in my eye so I was looking at my health and ammo alot so I asked a friend to adjust his hud for me a bit so that the health cross would be alot bigger and more visible/bright font colors so I wouldn't be searching for the numbers all the time.

Also, alot of it is just experience in the game, when I first attempted to play demo I sucked really bad cause I tunnel visioned alot and didn't really deal with my blindspots. Learning to spread/focus your damage effectively just comes from playing the game
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#20
1 Frags +

What Marxist said, think of every new round as a fresh start to do well.

It seems like your problem is mostly experience thing, you don't know how to react to some situations and are getting overwhelmed (too much meta-gaming?). You shouldn't micromanage your teammates and instead trust them to know what they're doing but that's probably hard at silver level. As you're exposed to more situations and you develop a better understanding of how the game works you shouldn't be tunnel visioning anymore. Getting a mentor to explain the how/whys will help you grow as a player.

Also this might help you (Praise the Quake Bible)

Presence. (Remaining in the moment to maximize mental efficiency)

Presence is the state of mind (or no-mind) that has no past or future. Without
past and future, you are not wasting your brain cells/neurons on things that do
not currently exist and therefore hold no bearing on you as a player. You are
focused entirely on what is happening, and since what is happening is all there is,
it is therefore all that matters. This is an easy way "cut down" or lean up your
thoughts and become all killer, no filler. In my experience, you are may only
compete at your peak performance when you are committed fully to the present
moment. The ideal way to look at this is; there is no seperation between you and
what is. This "oneness" is commonly referred to by sports analysts as, "the zone."
Disciplined presence means we should be playing the entire game in the moment
as it emerges unto itself.
What Marxist said, think of every new round as a fresh start to do well.

It seems like your problem is mostly experience thing, you don't know how to react to some situations and are getting overwhelmed (too much meta-gaming?). You shouldn't micromanage your teammates and instead trust them to know what they're doing but that's probably hard at silver level. As you're exposed to more situations and you develop a better understanding of how the game works you shouldn't be tunnel visioning anymore. Getting a mentor to explain the how/whys will help you grow as a player.


Also this might help you (Praise the Quake Bible)
[quote]Presence. (Remaining in the moment to maximize mental efficiency)


Presence is the state of mind (or no-mind) that has no past or future. Without
past and future, you are not wasting your brain cells/neurons on things that do
not currently exist and therefore hold no bearing on you as a player. You are
focused entirely on what is happening, and since what is happening is all there is,
it is therefore all that matters. This is an easy way "cut down" or lean up your
thoughts and become all killer, no filler. In my experience, you are may only
compete at your peak performance when you are committed fully to the present
moment. The ideal way to look at this is; there is no seperation between you and
what is. This "oneness" is commonly referred to by sports analysts as, "the zone."
Disciplined presence means we should be playing the entire game in the moment
as it emerges unto itself.
[/quote]
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