waffleb
Also, you act as if me being a woman is a "lie". I can assure you that I am a woman. I use the women's restroom daily - nobody once has told me to get out because I'm a liar. I don't think they would tell me that, even if they knew I was trans. Should I use the mens room instead? Would that be more appropriate, in your opinion? Please consider these types of things before you go and consider me a man. I can assure you with certainty that I definitely do not belong in a masculine gender role, because I am not a man.
You may argue "Well, you have to use the womens room, but you're still a liar!". This would obviously be bullshit, because I don't have to lie to anyone in order to use it. All I do is walk in looking like a woman and everyone goes about their day. There is no rule requiring me to prove that I am of the female sex before I use the womens room - only that myself and others can judge that I am enough of a woman to use it.
What about men that look like women? Are they supposed to use the women's restroom, and be referred to as her because they look like a woman but identify as a man?
What about women that look like men? Are they supposed to use the men's restroom, and be referred to as him because they look like a man but identify as a woman?
I think judging people by their looks is kind of a strange view on how to identify gender, especially coming from a trans person. We should probably just switch over to unisex bathrooms that way there's never any confusion.
[quote=waffleb]
Also, you act as if me being a woman is a "lie". I can assure you that I am a woman. I use the women's restroom daily - nobody once has told me to get out because I'm a liar. I don't think they would tell me that, even if they knew I was trans. Should I use the mens room instead? Would that be more appropriate, in your opinion? Please consider these types of things before you go and consider me a man. I can assure you with certainty that I definitely do not belong in a masculine gender role, because I am not a man.
You may argue "Well, you have to use the womens room, but you're still a liar!". This would obviously be bullshit, because I don't have to lie to anyone in order to use it. All I do is walk in looking like a woman and everyone goes about their day. There is no rule requiring me to prove that I am of the female sex before I use the womens room - only that myself and others can judge that I am enough of a woman to use it.[/quote]
What about men that look like women? Are they supposed to use the women's restroom, and be referred to as her because they look like a woman but identify as a man?
What about women that look like men? Are they supposed to use the men's restroom, and be referred to as him because they look like a man but identify as a woman?
I think judging people by their looks is kind of a strange view on how to identify gender, especially coming from a trans person. We should probably just switch over to unisex bathrooms that way there's never any confusion.
clorgwaffleb
Also, you act as if me being a woman is a "lie". I can assure you that I am a woman. I use the women's restroom daily - nobody once has told me to get out because I'm a liar. I don't think they would tell me that, even if they knew I was trans. Should I use the mens room instead? Would that be more appropriate, in your opinion? Please consider these types of things before you go and consider me a man. I can assure you with certainty that I definitely do not belong in a masculine gender role, because I am not a man.
You may argue "Well, you have to use the womens room, but you're still a liar!". This would obviously be bullshit, because I don't have to lie to anyone in order to use it. All I do is walk in looking like a woman and everyone goes about their day. There is no rule requiring me to prove that I am of the female sex before I use the womens room - only that myself and others can judge that I am enough of a woman to use it.
What about men that look like women? Are they supposed to use the women's restroom, and be referred to as her because they look like a woman but identify as a man?
What about women that look like men? Are they supposed to use the men's restroom, and be referred to as him they look like a man but identify as a woman?
this isnt about how you look its how you feel. anyway, fat people
[quote=clorg][quote=waffleb]
Also, you act as if me being a woman is a "lie". I can assure you that I am a woman. I use the women's restroom daily - nobody once has told me to get out because I'm a liar. I don't think they would tell me that, even if they knew I was trans. Should I use the mens room instead? Would that be more appropriate, in your opinion? Please consider these types of things before you go and consider me a man. I can assure you with certainty that I definitely do not belong in a masculine gender role, because I am not a man.
You may argue "Well, you have to use the womens room, but you're still a liar!". This would obviously be bullshit, because I don't have to lie to anyone in order to use it. All I do is walk in looking like a woman and everyone goes about their day. There is no rule requiring me to prove that I am of the female sex before I use the womens room - only that myself and others can judge that I am enough of a woman to use it.[/quote]
What about men that look like women? Are they supposed to use the women's restroom, and be referred to as her because they look like a woman but identify as a man?
What about women that look like men? Are they supposed to use the men's restroom, and be referred to as him they look like a man but identify as a woman?[/quote]
this isnt about how you look its how you feel. anyway, fat people
I'm not even sure what this is about anymore.
I'm not even sure what this is about anymore.
waffleb i have a question for you because i have never met someone who feels out of place with their natural sex/gender/self don't know the right word for it because it seems like no matter what people use in here it gets used against them in a counter-argument. I am genuinely curious about this. have you always felt like you wanted to be female/didn't feel right being male? do you take estrogen supplements or any other medication and have you undergone any procedures/operations to further your transition into becoming female?
this is probably a sensitive topic but what would you have done having lived 100 years ago where you weren't able to make a transition into a female (because of obvious lack of medical support)?
You don't have to answer these as I assume it was not easy to the make the decision you made. I am not trying to offend you in anyway although my ignorance on the subject may be offensive. It is something I have truly never given any thought on until this thread because it's not something I've ever had to think about/deal with in my life. I can't imagine not feeling like I was supposed to be a male, and how hard/scary it must be for you.
This is all very intriguing to me and I wish to learn more about it.
waffleb i have a question for you because i have never met someone who feels out of place with their natural sex/gender/self don't know the right word for it because it seems like no matter what people use in here it gets used against them in a counter-argument. I am genuinely curious about this. have you always felt like you wanted to be female/didn't feel right being male? do you take estrogen supplements or any other medication and have you undergone any procedures/operations to further your transition into becoming female?
this is probably a sensitive topic but what would you have done having lived 100 years ago where you weren't able to make a transition into a female (because of obvious lack of medical support)?
You don't have to answer these as I assume it was not easy to the make the decision you made. I am not trying to offend you in anyway although my ignorance on the subject may be offensive. It is something I have truly never given any thought on until this thread because it's not something I've ever had to think about/deal with in my life. I can't imagine not feeling like I was supposed to be a male, and how hard/scary it must be for you.
This is all very intriguing to me and I wish to learn more about it.
Before it happens, I am prepared to be minus fragged.
MY OPINION, I think being Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Bi and whatever else there is, is a CHOICE. I don't believe god intended for a Man to love a Man or a Woman to love a woman. I am friends with people who are Gay/Les and everything, but that doesn't mean I support their choice. No one is born and as soon as they are out of the womb, they turn gay or lesbian. It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable, or it could be what they have felt when they were growing up. I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
Any derogatory comments or anything of the matter are accepted, just wanted to toss my 2 cents into the pool.
Before it happens, I am prepared to be minus fragged.
MY OPINION, I think being Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Bi and whatever else there is, is a CHOICE. I don't believe god intended for a Man to love a Man or a Woman to love a woman. I am friends with people who are Gay/Les and everything, but that doesn't mean I support their choice. No one is born and as soon as they are out of the womb, they turn gay or lesbian. It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable, or it could be what they have felt when they were growing up. I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
Any derogatory comments or anything of the matter are accepted, just wanted to toss my 2 cents into the pool.
JustifyedIt could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...
JustifyedI don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
what
[quote=Justifyed]It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...[/quote]
[quote=Justifyed]I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.[/quote]
what
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JustifyedBefore it happens, I am prepared to be minus fragged.
MY OPINION, I think being Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Bi and whatever else there is, is a CHOICE. I don't believe god intended for a Man to love a Man or a Woman to love a woman. I am friends with people who are Gay/Les and everything, but that doesn't mean I support their choice. No one is born and as soon as they are out of the womb, they turn gay or lesbian. It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable, or it could be what they have felt when they were growing up. I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
Any derogatory comments or anything of the matter are accepted, just wanted to toss my 2 cents into the pool.
So when did you choose to be straight?
[quote=Justifyed]Before it happens, I am prepared to be minus fragged.
MY OPINION, I think being Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Bi and whatever else there is, is a CHOICE. I don't believe god intended for a Man to love a Man or a Woman to love a woman. I am friends with people who are Gay/Les and everything, but that doesn't mean I support their choice. No one is born and as soon as they are out of the womb, they turn gay or lesbian. It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable, or it could be what they have felt when they were growing up. I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
Any derogatory comments or anything of the matter are accepted, just wanted to toss my 2 cents into the pool.[/quote]
So when did you choose to be straight?
hookyJustifyedIt could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...
JustifyedI don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
what
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.
[quote=hooky][quote=Justifyed]It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...[/quote]
[quote=Justifyed]I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.[/quote]
what[/quote]
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.
JustifyedhookyJustifyedIt could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...
JustifyedI don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
what
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.
just stop talking before you dig yourself the biggest hole on the planet
[quote=Justifyed][quote=hooky][quote=Justifyed]It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...[/quote]
[quote=Justifyed]I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.[/quote]
what[/quote]
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.[/quote]
just stop talking before you dig yourself the biggest hole on the planet
JustifyedhookyJustifyedIt could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...
JustifyedI don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
what
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.
That's not what you typed though. You said that people aren't born that way, when you said that they could right before.
[quote=Justifyed][quote=hooky][quote=Justifyed]It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...[/quote]
[quote=Justifyed]I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.[/quote]
what[/quote]
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.[/quote]
That's not what you typed though. You said that people aren't born that way, when you said that they could right before.
mgibJustifyedhookyJustifyedIt could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...
JustifyedI don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
what
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.
just stop talking before you dig yourself the biggest hole on the planet
I honestly don't care, I don't do anything with the tf2 community, I dont even play anymore lol.
[quote=mgib][quote=Justifyed][quote=hooky][quote=Justifyed]It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...[/quote]
[quote=Justifyed]I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.[/quote]
what[/quote]
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.[/quote]
just stop talking before you dig yourself the biggest hole on the planet[/quote]
I honestly don't care, I don't do anything with the tf2 community, I dont even play anymore lol.
JustifyedBefore it happens, I am prepared to be minus fragged.
MY OPINION, I think being Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Bi and whatever else there is, is a CHOICE. I don't believe god intended for a Man to love a Man or a Woman to love a woman. I am friends with people who are Gay/Les and everything, but that doesn't mean I support their choice. No one is born and as soon as they are out of the womb, they turn gay or lesbian. It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable, or it could be what they have felt when they were growing up. I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
Any derogatory comments or anything of the matter are accepted, just wanted to toss my 2 cents into the pool.
yeah time to lock this thread
[quote=Justifyed]Before it happens, I am prepared to be minus fragged.
MY OPINION, I think being Gay/Lesbian/Trans/Bi and whatever else there is, is a CHOICE. I don't believe god intended for a Man to love a Man or a Woman to love a woman. I am friends with people who are Gay/Les and everything, but that doesn't mean I support their choice. No one is born and as soon as they are out of the womb, they turn gay or lesbian. It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable, or it could be what they have felt when they were growing up. I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
Any derogatory comments or anything of the matter are accepted, just wanted to toss my 2 cents into the pool.[/quote]
yeah time to lock this thread
well. at least this thread gives you a good idea of the limits and boundaries you can push on a discussion/debate before some idiot takes it out of bounds and gets it locked :)
well. at least this thread gives you a good idea of the limits and boundaries you can push on a discussion/debate before some idiot takes it out of bounds and gets it locked :)
JustifyedmgibJustifyedhookyJustifyedIt could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...
JustifyedI don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.
what
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.
just stop talking before you dig yourself the biggest hole on the planet
I honestly don't care, I don't do anything with the tf2 community, I dont even play anymore lol.
Then why bother p-
Fuck it, not gonna bother.
Edit: did I just post after a lock
[quote=Justifyed][quote=mgib][quote=Justifyed][quote=hooky][quote=Justifyed]It could be a disorder they are born with, which is completely understandable...[/quote]
[quote=Justifyed]I don't feel you are BORN that way, but that's just me.[/quote]
what[/quote]
Being born with a disease causing you to feel that way and being born gay with nothing wrong with you is completely different.[/quote]
just stop talking before you dig yourself the biggest hole on the planet[/quote]
I honestly don't care, I don't do anything with the tf2 community, I dont even play anymore lol.[/quote]
Then why bother p-
Fuck it, not gonna bother.
Edit: did I just post after a lock