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Mouse and Mousepad
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I have a terrible mouse-pad that I got from Verizon a while back. I don't know why i still have it but I do. I also have a wireless mouse, really not a huge fan of it. A lot of you guys have pretty nice mice and hardware in general so i'm asking for some recommendations on a new mouse and mouse-pad. I know the mouse pad isn't that big of a deal to buy but I am curios to see what some people like. As for the mouse, I would really like to try and get one that I don't have to replace for a while.

My hands are pretty big if that makes a difference for the mouse.

I have a terrible mouse-pad that I got from Verizon a while back. I don't know why i still have it but I do. I also have a wireless mouse, really not a huge fan of it. A lot of you guys have pretty nice mice and hardware in general so i'm asking for some recommendations on a new mouse and mouse-pad. I know the mouse pad isn't that big of a deal to buy but I am curios to see what some people like. As for the mouse, I would really like to try and get one that I don't have to replace for a while.

My hands are pretty big if that makes a difference for the mouse.
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#2
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The Logitech G400 is an extremely popular option for many users.

+Nice size
+Right handed ergonomic (for right handed people duh!)
+Optical sensor that is without flaws, no positive/negative accel or nasty stuff like that.
+Good LOD (don't remember exact measurement)
+Extra mouse buttons
+Relatively inexpensive (<40 AUD for me brand new).

+- More of a palm grip mouse (I think?)
+- Weighty compared to some other mice, no adjustable weight unless you cut it open (104 grams without cord, 133 with)
-Known to have issues with the cord almost all the time. Keep an eye on it
-Right handed only, lefties may have issues with this one.

Though you may have to replace it after a while due to the aforementioned cord issue, so you may look into something like a Deathadder which is also another very popular option, and I don't hear too much complaining about the cord for that. The G400 is inexpensive as previously mentioned, though, so it may not be so off-putting.

The Logitech G400 is an extremely popular option for many users.

+Nice size
+Right handed ergonomic (for right handed people duh!)
+Optical sensor that is without flaws, no positive/negative accel or nasty stuff like that.
+Good LOD (don't remember exact measurement)
+Extra mouse buttons
+Relatively inexpensive (<40 AUD for me brand new).


+- More of a palm grip mouse (I think?)
+- Weighty compared to some other mice, no adjustable weight unless you cut it open (104 grams without cord, 133 with)
-Known to have issues with the cord almost all the time. Keep an eye on it
-Right handed only, lefties may have issues with this one.

Though you may have to replace it after a while due to the aforementioned cord issue, so you may look into something like a Deathadder which is also another very popular option, and I don't hear too much complaining about the cord for that. The G400 is inexpensive as previously mentioned, though, so it may not be so off-putting.
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Thanks for the help! What is the problem with the cord?

Thanks for the help! What is the problem with the cord?
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Lucky_ShotThanks for the help! What is the problem with the cord?

When you used the mouse for some time it just disconnects fore some seconds because the cord tends to break inside the mouse.

[quote=Lucky_Shot]Thanks for the help! What is the problem with the cord?[/quote]
When you used the mouse for some time it just disconnects fore some seconds because the cord tends to break inside the mouse.
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SolidSpeerlaiyeLucky_ShotThanks for the help! What is the problem with the cord?When you used the mouse for some time it just disconnects fore some seconds because the cord tends to break inside the mouse.

Oh that's not too good. Thanks. Would you recommend a different mouse?

[quote=SolidSpeerlaiye][quote=Lucky_Shot]Thanks for the help! What is the problem with the cord?[/quote]
When you used the mouse for some time it just disconnects fore some seconds because the cord tends to break inside the mouse.[/quote]
Oh that's not too good. Thanks. Would you recommend a different mouse?
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#6
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I'm using the wireless version of the G-500. It actually works wonders and has no flaws with it being wireless. No stutter at all with it's movements which is pretty impressive for wireless mice. No cord breakage either!

I'm using the wireless version of the G-500. It actually works wonders and has no flaws with it being wireless. No stutter at all with it's movements which is pretty impressive for wireless mice. No cord breakage either!
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#7
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The 2013 Deathadder is a good choice as well - The sensor is on par with the G400/Zowie mice and is pretty quality. The main problem is that you have to deal with *shudder* Synapse. Dumbest driver software I've ever seen.

I also mentioned the Zowies, which have the EC1/EC2 with comparably high-quality sensors, but I know nothing about them other than that they're good. Never even seen one in person.

As for the mousepad, if you prefer cloth, the Steelseries QCK family or the Puretrak talent are your best choices, although some people prefer the Razer pads. If you like hard pads, I use a Steelseries 4HD, and I've been more or less converted from cloth pads - I just like the feel better. It's really personal preference, though.

The 2013 Deathadder is a good choice as well - The sensor is on par with the G400/Zowie mice and is pretty quality. The main problem is that you have to deal with *shudder* [i]Synapse.[/i] Dumbest driver software I've ever seen.

I also mentioned the Zowies, which have the EC1/EC2 with comparably high-quality sensors, but I know nothing about them other than that they're good. Never even seen one in person.

As for the mousepad, if you prefer cloth, the Steelseries QCK family or the Puretrak talent are your best choices, although some people prefer the Razer pads. If you like hard pads, I use a Steelseries 4HD, and I've been more or less converted from cloth pads - I just like the feel better. It's really personal preference, though.
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#8
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I'm using a DA right now and it is basically good, except that I have no grip on it
(see http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/9691/ ) and it's somewhat heavy. I got a Zowie evo EC1 and it should be here tomorrow. The new Zowies are said to have pretty much the perfect sensor and I heard lots of good things about the ergonomics too. Plus they are extremely lightweight. I will post impressions about it when I came to try it. As for the pad, I'm using the qck+ and it's great. Huge, nice feel, mouse glides over it just fine and reasonable price.

I'm using a DA right now and it is basically good, except that I have no grip on it
(see [url]http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/9691/[/url] ) and it's somewhat heavy. I got a Zowie evo EC1 and it should be here tomorrow. The new Zowies are said to have pretty much the perfect sensor and I heard lots of good things about the ergonomics too. Plus they are extremely lightweight. I will post impressions about it when I came to try it. As for the pad, I'm using the qck+ and it's great. Huge, nice feel, mouse glides over it just fine and reasonable price.
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#9
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I'm using a Deathadder Black and lusting after the Zowie EC1, which is strikingly similar but with better components. The main reason is that the DA has some crazy liftoff,meaning that when I lift my mouse to make a rapid turn, it keeps sensing even when my mouse isn't on the pad - seems like a small issue but it's super annoying. I found scotch tape to fix it but that messes with the glide...

My mousepad is a QCK Mass, which I like b/c it doesn't slide around or get folded up on itself.

I'm using a Deathadder Black and lusting after the Zowie EC1, which is strikingly similar but with better components. The main reason is that the DA has some crazy liftoff,meaning that when I lift my mouse to make a rapid turn, it keeps sensing even when my mouse isn't on the pad - seems like a small issue but it's super annoying. I found scotch tape to fix it but that messes with the glide...

My mousepad is a QCK Mass, which I like b/c it doesn't slide around or get folded up on itself.
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#10
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If I were in the US, I'd definitely buy a Puretrack Stealth mousepad and a Logitech G400 mouse, because of general performance and comfortability reasons that fits what I need and what I like.

*The Stealth because it has a nice size (38x25.5 cms)and I prefer a cloth surface than a plastic or aluminic one.

*The G400 because I love its ergonomic structure and I like the size, has a good sensor and clicking, and its drivers are easy to use and they're not invasive. I've never had a cable issue with any mice because I'm very careful with those things.

If you pick the G400, make sure to buy one that has a product ID above LZ133333.

GOOD LUCK THERE.

If I were in the US, I'd definitely buy a Puretrack Stealth mousepad and a Logitech G400 mouse, because of general performance and comfortability reasons that fits what I need and what I like.

*The Stealth because it has a nice size (38x25.5 cms)and I prefer a cloth surface than a plastic or aluminic one.

*The G400 because I love its ergonomic structure and I like the size, has a good sensor and clicking, and its drivers are easy to use and they're not invasive. I've never had a cable issue with any mice because I'm very careful with those things.

If you pick the G400, make sure to buy one that has a product ID above LZ133333.

GOOD LUCK THERE.
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#11
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Zowie FK is really good if you like claw grip, and in my opinion it feels a lot better than a WMO and you have DPI options. The Deathadder and EC1/EC2 are really good too if you have bigger hands or use palm grip (though they can be claw gripped too but not with small hands).

Zowie FK is really good if you like claw grip, and in my opinion it feels a lot better than a WMO and you have DPI options. The Deathadder and EC1/EC2 are really good too if you have bigger hands or use palm grip (though they can be claw gripped too but not with small hands).
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#12
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Reporting back after the Zowie arrived.
Best mouse ever for me, fits my hand completely (better than the DA) and the grip is absolutely perfect (I have the white glossy version). The dpi button is actually super useful. Not even the autoswitcher in the synapse program could switch dpi as fast as I can with one button click now. The mousewheel is awesome, it gives good feedback and allows you to scroll "one weapon at a time". The mouse is light and has basically no lod. Your only problems may be if you have big hands and come from the DA that you will have to position your thumb differently to reach the back side button without pressing the front one. But you automatically adapt to that when using the mouse and it will soon work with your natural grip. I give the EC1 a 10/10.

Reporting back after the Zowie arrived.
Best mouse ever for me, fits my hand completely (better than the DA) and the grip is absolutely perfect (I have the white glossy version). The dpi button is actually super useful. Not even the autoswitcher in the synapse program could switch dpi as fast as I can with one button click now. The mousewheel is awesome, it gives good feedback and allows you to scroll "one weapon at a time". The mouse is light and has basically no lod. Your only problems may be if you have big hands and come from the DA that you will have to position your thumb differently to reach the back side button without pressing the front one. But you automatically adapt to that when using the mouse and it will soon work with your natural grip. I give the EC1 a 10/10.
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i personally use the g400s and razer goliathus control and i cant complain the g400s is the same as a g400 with a different coating and higher dpi great combo would recommend

i personally use the g400s and razer goliathus control and i cant complain the g400s is the same as a g400 with a different coating and higher dpi great combo would recommend
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#14
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Just a heads up it looks like Monoprice is selling some Zowie stuff now:

AM for $46.08

EC1 EVO for $56.70

Rough/Fast mousepads for $19.20/24.00 respectively

Just a heads up it looks like Monoprice is selling some Zowie stuff now:

[url=www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1140101&p_id=10229&seq=1&format=2]AM for $46.08[/url]

[url=www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1140101&p_id=10230&seq=1&format=2]EC1 EVO for $56.70[/url]

[url=www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=mousepad]Rough/Fast mousepads for $19.20/24.00 respectively[/url]
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#15
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I´m using the razer Lachesis and the razer Goliathus (speed)...got them both pretty cheap and i have no problems so far :)

I´m using the razer Lachesis and the razer Goliathus (speed)...got them both pretty cheap and i have no problems so far :)
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#16
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Roccat Kova [+] and Steelseries QcK mousepad, and the combo is great, if only I could use them their full extent. The mouse is very precise and light to maneuver across the cloth pad.

Edit: ~60€ combined, a rather affordable price for the quality of the equipment. Would buy again.

Roccat Kova [+] and Steelseries QcK mousepad, and the combo is great, if only I could use them their full extent. The mouse is very precise and light to maneuver across the cloth pad.

Edit: ~60€ combined, a rather affordable price for the quality of the equipment. Would buy again.
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#17
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Thank you all for the feedback! It has helped a lot. I'll get back to you all with my final decision!

Thank you all for the feedback! It has helped a lot. I'll get back to you all with my final decision!
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Hey, if you like having a good scroll wheel I would advise against the g400. I went from a deathadder to a g400 and the quality difference of the scroll wheel is.... huge. The scroll on the DA was nice and clunky, and you could easily tell between the scroll notches.

The best way to describe the scroll on the g400 is 'iffy'.

Hey, if you like having a good scroll wheel I would advise against the g400. I went from a deathadder to a g400 and the quality difference of the scroll wheel is.... huge. The scroll on the DA was nice and clunky, and you could easily tell between the scroll notches.

The best way to describe the scroll on the g400 is 'iffy'.
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#19
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As for the cord in the G400, I fixed my cord in a different logitech mouse (G5) but I imagine it's the same issue. I opened mine up and moved around the cord--where it enters the mouse and starts some extreme turns--and stuck it to a position where there was constant connectivity. It took a few tries to get the mouse to stay alive, but it's been with me forever since, despite procrastinating to get new feet/glides.

And unless you're going with a hard mousepad, I've at least happy with my matte black doormat-just a cheap large mousepad.

As for the cord in the G400, I fixed my cord in a different logitech mouse (G5) but I imagine it's the same issue. I opened mine up and moved around the cord--where it enters the mouse and starts some extreme turns--and stuck it to a position where there was constant connectivity. It took a few tries to get the mouse to stay alive, but it's been with me forever since, despite procrastinating to get new feet/glides.

And unless you're going with a hard mousepad, I've at least happy with my matte black doormat-just a cheap large mousepad.
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#20
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AloSecHey, if you like having a good scroll wheel I would advise against the g400. I went from a deathadder to a g400 and the quality difference of the scroll wheel is.... huge. The scroll on the DA was nice and clunky, and you could easily tell between the scroll notches.

The best way to describe the scroll on the g400 is 'iffy'.

The scroll-wheel is fine for me, and I bunny hop all the damn time.

[quote=AloSec]Hey, if you like having a good scroll wheel I would advise against the g400. I went from a deathadder to a g400 and the quality difference of the scroll wheel is.... huge. The scroll on the DA was nice and clunky, and you could easily tell between the scroll notches.

The best way to describe the scroll on the g400 is 'iffy'.[/quote]

The scroll-wheel is fine for me, and I bunny hop all the damn time.
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#21
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AloSecHey, if you like having a good scroll wheel I would advise against the g400. I went from a deathadder to a g400 and the quality difference of the scroll wheel is.... huge. The scroll on the DA was nice and clunky, and you could easily tell between the scroll notches.

The best way to describe the scroll on the g400 is 'iffy'.

I will definitely take that into consideration. I use the scroll wheel to change weapons and my mouse has a very nice scroll. The ridges/clunks or whatever you call them are nice and evident.

[quote=AloSec]Hey, if you like having a good scroll wheel I would advise against the g400. I went from a deathadder to a g400 and the quality difference of the scroll wheel is.... huge. The scroll on the DA was nice and clunky, and you could easily tell between the scroll notches.

The best way to describe the scroll on the g400 is 'iffy'.[/quote]
I will definitely take that into consideration. I use the scroll wheel to change weapons and my mouse has a very nice scroll. The ridges/clunks or whatever you call them are nice and evident.
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#22
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the301stspartanReporting back after the Zowie arrived.
Best mouse ever for me, fits my hand completely (better than the DA) and the grip is absolutely perfect (I have the white glossy version). The dpi button is actually super useful. Not even the autoswitcher in the synapse program could switch dpi as fast as I can with one button click now. The mousewheel is awesome, it gives good feedback and allows you to scroll "one weapon at a time". The mouse is light and has basically no lod. Your only problems may be if you have big hands and come from the DA that you will have to position your thumb differently to reach the back side button without pressing the front one. But you automatically adapt to that when using the mouse and it will soon work with your natural grip. I give the EC1 a 10/10.

I think that may be the one for me.

[quote=the301stspartan]Reporting back after the Zowie arrived.
Best mouse ever for me, fits my hand completely (better than the DA) and the grip is absolutely perfect (I have the white glossy version). The dpi button is actually super useful. Not even the autoswitcher in the synapse program could switch dpi as fast as I can with one button click now. The mousewheel is awesome, it gives good feedback and allows you to scroll "one weapon at a time". The mouse is light and has basically no lod. Your only problems may be if you have big hands and come from the DA that you will have to position your thumb differently to reach the back side button without pressing the front one. But you automatically adapt to that when using the mouse and it will soon work with your natural grip. I give the EC1 a 10/10.[/quote]
I think that may be the one for me.
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I only really know logitech mice pretty well so I'll give my 2 cents here

Wireless
G7 as mentioned above works surprisingly well for a wireless mouse, beyond being wireless it's virtually the exact same as the g400s. Personal friend of mine owns this and even a few of the "upgraded" models and hasn't had any issues with it. The upgraded models are not that much different, they come with weight option but that only helps if you want it heavier than stock, and higher DPIs but I doubt anyone could legitimately need 5000+dpi.

G700s is good too.

Wired
G400s - I personally own one (well a G400) but they're exactly the same except slightly different materials and slightly more overkill sensor. Cord issues? I haven't had any and I am going on about 9 months with my mouse, but I did read alot of reviews about the cable and have been making damn sure I took as good care of the cord as I could. Grip? You'll almost certainly be using palm grip unless your hands are insanely huge. Left Handed? I think they have a left handed version. Scroll Wheel? I can see how AloSec said it was "iffy", but tbh I've never had issues with it, it scrolls fairly fast but I still if I do use it to switch to a weapon always end up on the one I wanted.

The main question should be "Which grip do I prefer." "Palm or Claw" Palm = G400s/G500s Claw = Zowie FK/AM maybe EC1/2; didn't include death adder cause insanely poor drivers...

I only really know logitech mice pretty well so I'll give my 2 cents here

Wireless
G7 as mentioned above works surprisingly well for a wireless mouse, beyond being wireless it's virtually the exact same as the g400s. Personal friend of mine owns this and even a few of the "upgraded" models and hasn't had any issues with it. The upgraded models are not that much different, they come with weight option but that only helps if you want it heavier than stock, and higher DPIs but I doubt anyone could legitimately need 5000+dpi.

G700s is good too.

Wired
G400s - I personally own one (well a G400) but they're exactly the same except slightly different materials and slightly more overkill sensor. Cord issues? I haven't had any and I am going on about 9 months with my mouse, but I did read alot of reviews about the cable and have been making damn sure I took as good care of the cord as I could. Grip? You'll almost certainly be using palm grip unless your hands are insanely huge. Left Handed? I think they have a left handed version. Scroll Wheel? I can see how AloSec said it was "iffy", but tbh I've never had issues with it, it scrolls fairly fast but I still if I do use it to switch to a weapon always end up on the one I wanted.

The main question should be "Which grip do I prefer." "Palm or Claw" Palm = G400s/G500s Claw = Zowie FK/AM maybe EC1/2; didn't include death adder cause insanely poor drivers...
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#24
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ComangliaI only really know logitech mice pretty well so I'll give my 2 cents here

Wireless
G500s as mentioned above works surprisingly well for a wireless mouse, beyond being wireless it's virtually the exact same as the g400s.

Huh? The G500 or G500s is not a wireless mouse. You're thinking of the G700, which is a decent wireless mouse.

[quote=Comanglia]I only really know logitech mice pretty well so I'll give my 2 cents here

Wireless
G500s as mentioned above works surprisingly well for a wireless mouse, beyond being wireless it's virtually the exact same as the g400s.[/quote]
Huh? The G500 or G500s is not a wireless mouse. You're thinking of the G700, which is a decent wireless mouse.
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#25
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I wonder why so many people whine about the DA drivers. Sure, you have to download a software and install it and it's all very bloated. But it does work, updates itself, never really had problems with it. And the "connect profile with exe" thing was nifty.

I gotta say though, the no software at all for the Zowie and the awesome dpi button is 10x more comfortable.

I wonder why so many people whine about the DA drivers. Sure, you have to download a software and install it and it's all very bloated. But it does work, updates itself, never really had problems with it. And the "connect profile with exe" thing was nifty.

I gotta say though, the no software at all for the Zowie and the awesome dpi button is 10x more comfortable.
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#26
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I just installed synapse, changed my settings and uninstalled it. You don't need it if you're not changing anything.

I just installed synapse, changed my settings and uninstalled it. You don't need it if you're not changing anything.
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#27
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MeematI'm using a Deathadder Black and lusting after the Zowie EC1, which is strikingly similar but with better components. The main reason is that the DA has some crazy liftoff,meaning that when I lift my mouse to make a rapid turn, it keeps sensing even when my mouse isn't on the pad - seems like a small issue but it's super annoying. I found scotch tape to fix it but that messes with the glide...

My mousepad is a QCK Mass, which I like b/c it doesn't slide around or get folded up on itself.

The DA 2013 fixes the LOD issue it seems, it really threw me off at first when I got it after having the DA 3.5 and black for so long. As for synapse, it really isn't that bad, it seems all the issues with it were fixed, and if you aren't changing settings a lot you don't need it installed after you initially change the settings with it. Alternatively, if you want to keep it installed like I did, just use offline mode.

Also, the goliathus speed is a great and cheap pad if you don't mind the giant razer logo, I heard the control is terrible though, so I'd advise against it probably.

[quote=Meemat]I'm using a Deathadder Black and lusting after the Zowie EC1, which is strikingly similar but with better components. The main reason is that the DA has some crazy liftoff,meaning that when I lift my mouse to make a rapid turn, it keeps sensing even when my mouse isn't on the pad - seems like a small issue but it's super annoying. I found scotch tape to fix it but that messes with the glide...

My mousepad is a QCK Mass, which I like b/c it doesn't slide around or get folded up on itself.[/quote]
The DA 2013 fixes the LOD issue it seems, it really threw me off at first when I got it after having the DA 3.5 and black for so long. As for synapse, it really isn't that bad, it seems all the issues with it were fixed, and if you aren't changing settings a lot you don't need it installed after you initially change the settings with it. Alternatively, if you want to keep it installed like I did, just use offline mode.

Also, the goliathus speed is a great and cheap pad if you don't mind the giant razer logo, I heard the control is terrible though, so I'd advise against it probably.
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#28
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Just got a Zowie FK and a Qck Heavy, it feels fantastic

Just got a Zowie FK and a Qck Heavy, it feels fantastic
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#29
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AlfieComangliaI only really know logitech mice pretty well so I'll give my 2 cents here

Wireless
G500s as mentioned above works surprisingly well for a wireless mouse, beyond being wireless it's virtually the exact same as the g400s.
Huh? The G500 or G500s is not a wireless mouse. You're thinking of the G700, which is a decent wireless mouse.

G700 doesn't have the same shape as a G400, while you're right it isn't a G500 I was talking about a G7 which is basically a wireless G400 with a laser sensor.

[quote=Alfie][quote=Comanglia]I only really know logitech mice pretty well so I'll give my 2 cents here

Wireless
G500s as mentioned above works surprisingly well for a wireless mouse, beyond being wireless it's virtually the exact same as the g400s.[/quote]
Huh? The G500 or G500s is not a wireless mouse. You're thinking of the G700, which is a decent wireless mouse.[/quote]

G700 doesn't have the same shape as a G400, while you're right it isn't a G500 I was talking about a G7 which is basically a wireless G400 with a laser sensor.
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