iM are a great team, but they've had no serious competition for a while. I don't know how well they'll do against teams who are constantly battling to be the best.
On the other hand, this'll be the first (Serious) European LAN with Unlocks so that might change things too
i49 will be fucking awesome
PS. Yuki you seem like a cunt on your stream 99% of the time
iM are a great team, but they've had no serious competition for a while. I don't know how well they'll do against teams who are constantly battling to be the best.
On the other hand, this'll be the first (Serious) European LAN with Unlocks so that might change things too
i49 will be fucking awesome
PS. Yuki you seem like a cunt on your stream 99% of the time
Also of interest, 6 months ago we had 70 active TF2 6's clans in Aus TF2
That isn't an inconsequential number
Combine New Zealand players into the mix and that number was 15 higher (I ping 35ms to Aus servers hence most serious kiwis play in Aus) although there are obviously only a very select number of decent NZ players, such as Antwa, kicking around now.
Either way everyone talks about just how tiny the scene is, but it doesn't seem that way to me, at least for competitive 6's, although there is no question that iM stands above the competition in Aus currently.
Also of interest, 6 months ago we had 70 active TF2 6's clans in Aus TF2
That isn't an inconsequential number
Combine New Zealand players into the mix and that number was 15 higher (I ping 35ms to Aus servers hence most serious kiwis play in Aus) although there are obviously only a very select number of decent NZ players, such as Antwa, kicking around now.
Either way everyone talks about just how tiny the scene is, but it doesn't seem that way to me, at least for competitive 6's, although there is no question that iM stands above the competition in Aus currently.
KerchFoxRawrSpoonSHOWMATCHES ON HAWAIIAN SERVER GO
JOKES ON YOU
EVERYBODY GETS 150 PING
I'm not sure it will be that bad, as it's possible all AU-US traffic is getting routed through Hawaii anyway.
If any AUS or West Coast US players wouldn't mind pinging the Hawaii (Honolulu) server on pingtest, that would be interesting:
http://www.pingtest.net/
http://i.imgur.com/BzvVt7h.jpg
[quote=Kerch][quote=Fox][quote=RawrSpoon]SHOWMATCHES ON HAWAIIAN SERVER GO[/quote]
JOKES ON YOU
EVERYBODY GETS 150 PING[/quote]
I'm not sure it will be that bad, as it's possible all AU-US traffic is getting routed through Hawaii anyway.
If any AUS or West Coast US players wouldn't mind pinging the Hawaii (Honolulu) server on pingtest, that would be interesting:
http://www.pingtest.net/[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/BzvVt7h.jpg[/img]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KJOdpwL6X6A#t=92s[/youtube]
From Texas:
[img]http://www.pingtest.net/result/80398009.png[/img]
224 from sydney. I ping better to west coast. lol
224 from sydney. I ping better to west coast. lol
yuki224 from sydney. I ping better to west coast. lol
Internets, how do they work?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29256607/internets.jpg
[quote=yuki]224 from sydney. I ping better to west coast. lol[/quote]
Internets, how do they work?
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29256607/internets.jpg[/img]
[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9em4xaSGi1re2hy1o3_400.gif[/img]
everyone wins when iM goes to i49. TF2 has grown :)
yukiTLRFrom what I've seen, the top aus players are all quite individually skilled. The problem comes from the teams they are playing against. From some of the aus povs I have seen, it looks like pickup games or US teams from 3+ years ago. vs teams like that, it's super easy for a player with good dm to run in and kill half the team (ex. carnage 3 years ago). That alone doesn't work now.
I would expect them to beat most of the teams fairly handily, but lose to the top US/EU teams due to coordination and team play they aren't used to playing against.
From my observation of ESEA regular season and LAN, a player "running in" with good dm and killing half the team has worked quite well (re: ruwin, clockwork). It's not too hard for a good scout to exploit a small window of opportunity to turn it into a massive advantage (eg. no rockets loaded on pocket, no stickies, etc). Not only that, it's not like we rely on our scouts to do work for us. I have confidence in every member in my teams dm ability and decision making.
I'll admit that our competition in Australia isn't as close as it is in North America, but it doesn't automatically make our teamwork and coordination any weaker than the other top teams. As I've said in the past, four of us have played together for nearly 3-4 years, so I'm PRETTY SURE that our coordination/teamwork for the most part is 'pretty good', considering that most invite teams last a season or two max.
It's good to see the hype building up, though. Should be good.
The question isn't if your teamwork or coordination is any good. How will your teamwork/coordination stand up to playing against a team that is just as skilled or more than your team for the first time(in years)?
gl against banny, if u guys get that far.
[quote=yuki][quote=TLR]From what I've seen, the top aus players are all quite individually skilled. The problem comes from the teams they are playing against. From some of the aus povs I have seen, it looks like pickup games or US teams from 3+ years ago. vs teams like that, it's super easy for a player with good dm to run in and kill half the team (ex. carnage 3 years ago). That alone doesn't work now.
I would expect them to beat most of the teams fairly handily, but lose to the top US/EU teams due to coordination and team play they aren't used to playing against.[/quote]
From my observation of ESEA regular season and LAN, a player "running in" with good dm and killing half the team has worked quite well (re: ruwin, clockwork). It's not too hard for a good scout to exploit a small window of opportunity to turn it into a massive advantage (eg. no rockets loaded on pocket, no stickies, etc). Not only that, it's not like we rely on our scouts to do work for us. I have confidence in every member in my teams dm ability and decision making.
I'll admit that our competition in Australia isn't as close as it is in North America, but it doesn't automatically make our teamwork and coordination any weaker than the other top teams. As I've said in the past, four of us have played together for nearly 3-4 years, so I'm PRETTY SURE that our coordination/teamwork for the most part is 'pretty good', considering that most invite teams last a season or two max.
It's good to see the hype building up, though. Should be good.[/quote]
The question isn't if your teamwork or coordination is any good. How will your teamwork/coordination stand up to playing against a team that is just as skilled or more than your team for the first time(in years)?
gl against banny, if u guys get that far.
hrg will tear that ass up, mate
hrg will tear that ass up, mate
dabes The question isn't if your teamwork or coordination is any good. How will your teamwork/coordination stand up to playing against a team that is just as skilled or more than your team for the first time(in years)?
gl against banny, if u guys get that far.
I've already stated at the bottom of that post that most of us have played together for three going on four years. Obviously it doesn't mean we'll auto-win, because more time together doesn't automatically mean better than team for one season. The cyzer/b4nny/shade long term TF2 relationship is also something that I respect and admire.
I also have previously stated that it won't be easy. We look forward to the challenge.
[quote=dabes] The question isn't if your teamwork or coordination is any good. How will your teamwork/coordination stand up to playing against a team that is just as skilled or more than your team for the first time(in years)?
gl against banny, if u guys get that far.[/quote]
I've already stated at the bottom of that post that most of us have played together for three going on four years. Obviously it doesn't mean we'll auto-win, because more time together doesn't automatically mean better than team for one season. The cyzer/b4nny/shade long term TF2 relationship is also something that I respect and admire.
I also have previously stated that it won't be easy. We look forward to the challenge.
As one of the players constantly taking a beating from him...I can assert with utmost confidence that you cannot possibly understand or prepare for how banny plays until you play against him. While I fully expect lansky and shrugger to panic and choke on the big stage with that kind of pressure (prove me wrong boys)...if you think your dm will carry you, sadly mistaken. You may catch banny off guard for a round...or even a map...but he is the most adaptive "big picture" player I play against. His ability is what makes it so incredibly satisfying to beat him...because you have to try to out think him every second of the game. I like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.
As one of the players constantly taking a beating from him...I can assert with utmost confidence that you cannot possibly understand or prepare for how banny plays until you play against him. While I fully expect lansky and shrugger to panic and choke on the big stage with that kind of pressure (prove me wrong boys)...if you think your dm will carry you, sadly mistaken. You may catch banny off guard for a round...or even a map...but he is the most adaptive "big picture" player I play against. His ability is what makes it so incredibly satisfying to beat him...because you have to try to out think him every second of the game. I like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.
PlatinumI like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.
I'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.
This hype thread for Aus will be great to rile them up and hopefully they will be able to bring their A-game with something to prove and make for an awesome tournament.
Maybe we can throw in an Asian team for i52 :)
[quote=Platinum]I like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.[/quote]
I'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.
This hype thread for Aus will be great to rile them up and hopefully they will be able to bring their A-game with something to prove and make for an awesome tournament.
Maybe we can throw in an Asian team for i52 :)
Lucky_PierrePlatinumI like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.
I'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.
This hype thread for Aus will be great to rile them up and hopefully they will be able to bring their A-game with something to prove and make for an awesome tournament.
Maybe we can throw in an Asian team for i52 :)
hoping to be able to do that but it is highly unlikely, where are them south americans and africans too, lets not leave them out.
[quote=Lucky_Pierre][quote=Platinum]I like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.[/quote]
I'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.
This hype thread for Aus will be great to rile them up and hopefully they will be able to bring their A-game with something to prove and make for an awesome tournament.
Maybe we can throw in an Asian team for i52 :)[/quote]
hoping to be able to do that but it is highly unlikely, where are them south americans and africans too, lets not leave them out.
PlatinumAs one of the players constantly taking a beating from him...I can assert with utmost confidence that you cannot possibly understand or prepare for how banny plays until you play against him. While I fully expect lansky and shrugger to panic and choke on the big stage with that kind of pressure (prove me wrong boys)...if you think your dm will carry you, sadly mistaken. You may catch banny off guard for a round...or even a map...but he is the most adaptive "big picture" player I play against. His ability is what makes it so incredibly satisfying to beat him...because you have to try to out think him every second of the game. I like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.
Dunno why you keep emphasising on the dm aspect in this post. Also I haven't even said we'll necessarily win?? Need more blue names parroting the same stuff.
We're already aware of the b4nny advantage. If we end up going - we'll be going early so hopefully we can get some good practice against EU + NA teams.
Appreciate a post from an invite player that isn't loaded with passive aggressive behaviour.
[quote=Platinum]As one of the players constantly taking a beating from him...I can assert with utmost confidence that you cannot possibly understand or prepare for how banny plays until you play against him. While I fully expect lansky and shrugger to panic and choke on the big stage with that kind of pressure (prove me wrong boys)...if you think your dm will carry you, sadly mistaken. You may catch banny off guard for a round...or even a map...but he is the most adaptive "big picture" player I play against. His ability is what makes it so incredibly satisfying to beat him...because you have to try to out think him every second of the game. I like the confidence from the australians...you have to believe you can win..but if you think your 3 years of teamwork playing shitties or sheeps dm (unlikely superior to ruwin/shocky) will beat banny..youre making the same mistake epsilon made at i46.[/quote]
Dunno why you keep emphasising on the dm aspect in this post. Also I haven't even said we'll necessarily win?? Need more blue names parroting the same stuff.
We're already aware of the b4nny advantage. If we end up going - we'll be going early so hopefully we can get some good practice against EU + NA teams.
Appreciate a post from an invite player that isn't loaded with passive aggressive behaviour.
From the Americans' attiude in this thread I hope the Aussies stuff them.
From the Americans' attiude in this thread I hope the Aussies stuff them.
The skill in Asian tf2 varies very widely, 90% of the teams are pub fodder while you have teams that could challenge low invite (lsd, dizziness of old, kuso scout)
The progress of Asian tf2 is held back by the language barriers, shit routing between countries and the lack of sponsored events which provide 0 motivation for players to improve. In fact most of our top players have lost interest in the game due to the lack of challenge, or brighter prospects in games like LoL and D2..
The skill in Asian tf2 varies very widely, 90% of the teams are pub fodder while you have teams that could challenge low invite (lsd, dizziness of old, kuso scout)
The progress of Asian tf2 is held back by the language barriers, shit routing between countries and the lack of sponsored events which provide 0 motivation for players to improve. In fact most of our top players have lost interest in the game due to the lack of challenge, or brighter prospects in games like LoL and D2..
Lucky_PierreI'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.
Wait... Epsilon is scrimming? No way!
[quote=Lucky_Pierre]I'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.[/quote]
Wait... Epsilon is scrimming? No way!
[quote=yuki]
We're already aware of the b4nny advantage.[/quote]
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9b/Luke_Skywalker.png/250px-Luke_Skywalker.png[/img]
Your overconfidence is your weakness.
SpartacusyukiWe're already aware of the b4nny advantage.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9b/Luke_Skywalker.png/250px-Luke_Skywalker.png
Your overconfidence is your weakness.
"We're aware that it exists". Doesn't mean we can (or will be) necessarily be prepared for it. Is that better?
[quote=Spartacus][quote=yuki]
We're already aware of the b4nny advantage.[/quote]
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9b/Luke_Skywalker.png/250px-Luke_Skywalker.png[/img]
Your overconfidence is your weakness.[/quote]
"We're aware that it exists". Doesn't mean we can (or will be) necessarily be prepared for it. Is that better?
dabesgl against banny, if u guys get that far.
regardless of how the 'tournament' is set up. there really should be an opportunity for our team to play against all the big dogs. No point going to LAN and not getting a chance to watch us at least scrim (or MGE) an NA team and EU team(s).
[quote=dabes]gl against banny, if u guys get that far.[/quote]
regardless of how the 'tournament' is set up. there really should be an opportunity for our team to play against [b]all[/b] the big dogs. No point going to LAN and not getting a chance to watch us at least scrim (or MGE) an NA team and EU team(s).
I think the fellas on mix^ are giving you fair warning, not because they think you're incompetent, but because they want a great set of games. They aren't saying "nah, ur shit bro, u probably couldn't take a round," They're saying that you need to step up your game, senpai. I haven't interpreted it as an insult, just a fair bit of warning that it might not be as easy as it seems.
I think the fellas on mix^ are giving you fair warning, not because they think you're incompetent, but because they want a great set of games. They aren't saying "nah, ur shit bro, u probably couldn't take a round," They're saying that you need to step up your game, senpai. I haven't interpreted it as an insult, just a fair bit of warning that it might not be as easy as it seems.
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SolidSpeerlaiyeLucky_PierreI'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.
Wait... Epsilon is scrimming? No way!
They are keen as fuck. GeaR back on roamer, Mike back on pocket.
Hell they even got a tactics spreadsheet!
If Epsilon plays up to it's full potential then they can definitely compete with HRG.
Broder might be keening it up as well if they want to go to i49, they got the DM, they just need to put a lot more effort into tactics to compete at that level.
Can't say anything about the Aussies, they might do well, they might fail. Having the best players in your own league and winning everything there is not enough, Epsilon proved it at i46. Would be could to see them against HRG in ashowmatch on Hawai/West Coast server.
[quote=SolidSpeerlaiye][quote=Lucky_Pierre]I'd also add that EU got burned at i46 for the exact reason and are going into this even better prepared from what I understand.[/quote]
Wait... Epsilon is scrimming? No way![/quote]
They are keen as fuck. GeaR back on roamer, Mike back on pocket.
Hell they even got a tactics spreadsheet!
If Epsilon plays up to it's full potential then they can definitely compete with HRG.
Broder might be keening it up as well if they want to go to i49, they got the DM, they just need to put a lot more effort into tactics to compete at that level.
Can't say anything about the Aussies, they might do well, they might fail. Having the best players in your own league and winning everything there is not enough, Epsilon proved it at i46. Would be could to see them against HRG in ashowmatch on Hawai/West Coast server.
All this drama only making me even MORE keen for i49!
All this drama only making me even MORE keen for i49!