I kid you not, with my LAN winnings I paid for an mIRC code after like 15 years of using the damn program and I think I want to buy and play around with a new mouse for awhile.
Anyway, rambling aside does anyone have the new g400s and know if it has any hidden issues that these mice tend to have... I'm torn whether or not to get the newer one or just buy an older g400. Price isn't the issue since they are very similar.
Only differences I can see from google are the coating, higher DPI/different sensor... I say different because I don't know if it's better.
Anyway, rambling aside does anyone have the new g400s and know if it has any hidden issues that these mice tend to have... I'm torn whether or not to get the newer one or just buy an older g400. Price isn't the issue since they are very similar.
Only differences I can see from google are the coating, higher DPI/different sensor... I say different because I don't know if it's better.
If you really have alot of money to spend I would just go all out and buy a razer. They're ridiculously expensive, but they work well and I've had mine for a good 3 years and its still going strong. This didn't answer your question, but I hope it helps.
zowie am/fk are great mice I'm thinking about picking up a g400 myself soon.
LactoseIf you really have alot of money to spend I would just go all out and buy a razer. They're ridiculously expensive, but they work well and I've had mine for a good 3 years and its still going strong. This didn't answer your question, but I hope it helps.
I've had a G500 for 3 years. It's still considered a bad mouse :>
The only thing I can comment about is the coating. The G400s will most likely feel different due to the coating, or personal preconceptions of the mouse. If the coating is too slick, then you can't get a good grip on the mouse (worse if you have sweaty hands)
I've had a G500 for 3 years. It's still considered a bad mouse :>
The only thing I can comment about is the coating. The G400s will most likely feel different due to the coating, or personal preconceptions of the mouse. If the coating is too slick, then you can't get a good grip on the mouse (worse if you have sweaty hands)
cyzerI kid you not, with my LAN winnings I paid for an mIRC code after like 15 years of using the damn program and I think I want to buy and play around with a new mouse for awhile.
Anyway, rambling aside does anyone have the new g400s and know if it has any hidden issues that these mice tend to have... I'm torn whether or not to get the newer one or just buy an older g400. Price isn't the issue since they are very similar.
Only differences I can see from google are the coating, higher DPI/different sensor... I say different because I don't know if it's better.
I'm not sure how well the coating is going to be. It reminds me of the first gen G5, seen here
http://www.geek.com/xyzimages/stories/reviewimages/logitech_g5/g5_008.jpg
The damn thing was very slick and if you have a little sweat, your hands would sometimes slide off the mouse
Anyway, rambling aside does anyone have the new g400s and know if it has any hidden issues that these mice tend to have... I'm torn whether or not to get the newer one or just buy an older g400. Price isn't the issue since they are very similar.
Only differences I can see from google are the coating, higher DPI/different sensor... I say different because I don't know if it's better.[/quote]
I'm not sure how well the coating is going to be. It reminds me of the first gen G5, seen here
[img]http://www.geek.com/xyzimages/stories/reviewimages/logitech_g5/g5_008.jpg[/img]
The damn thing was very slick and if you have a little sweat, your hands would sometimes slide off the mouse
Copied from another thread:
panzerxiiiI've used many mice over the years. Not ranked in any particular order:
1. Razer Deathadder - The go to mouse for many people. I liked the feel of it personally, but every single one I've had has gotten a messed up scroll wheel. I've used an old one, a Black edition, and the new one.
2. Logitech G7 or G5 - Another standard mouse. I liked using it, one of my favorite mice. Only complaint is that it feels somewhat cheap because of the plastic. Overally a good mouse though.
3. Razer Lachesis - The claw to the Deathadder's palm. Very solid mouse, I used it for a while, but found it was a bit small for my hand. The one Razer mouse I've had that the scroll wheel has not shit out.
4. Razer Mamba - The wireless Deathadder. Scroll wheel also shat out. Always ended up using it wired unless I wanted to look edgy by mounting it on the trophy style charging stand.
5. Microsoft IME 3.0 - The "best mouse." I didn't like it too much. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Low sens + low shape = Panzer don't like
6. Corsair M60 or M65 - The best mouse I've ever used. Super solid Corsair quality, great weight (customizable) and great shape and features. I recommend this or the M90 to anyone looking for a mouse. Corsair is really stepping up! You can either palm or claw this mouse comfortably.
7. Roccat Savu - Roccat's fairly new, but I'd say that if you like Razer's look but want better quality Roccat's the way to go. I scored one of these mice at PAX and tried it out, I liked it. If it wasn't for my baby the Corsair M65 I might use it more.
8. CM Storm Inferno - Hated the shape, lent it to a friend though. If the shape fits your needs then it's a great mouse in every other way.
EDIT: 9. Logitech MX518 - I completely forgot about this mouse, I used it for a while after my G5 broke. Almost identical in feel to the G5, it's a great mouse, solid, standard palm mouse.
Hope this helps!
However apparently the Savu has problems with its sensor :P
[quote=panzerxiii]I've used many mice over the years. Not ranked in any particular order:
1. Razer Deathadder - The go to mouse for many people. I liked the feel of it personally, but every single one I've had has gotten a messed up scroll wheel. I've used an old one, a Black edition, and the new one.
2. Logitech G7 or G5 - Another standard mouse. I liked using it, one of my favorite mice. Only complaint is that it feels somewhat cheap because of the plastic. Overally a good mouse though.
3. Razer Lachesis - The claw to the Deathadder's palm. Very solid mouse, I used it for a while, but found it was a bit small for my hand. The one Razer mouse I've had that the scroll wheel has not shit out.
4. Razer Mamba - The wireless Deathadder. Scroll wheel also shat out. Always ended up using it wired unless I wanted to look edgy by mounting it on the trophy style charging stand.
5. Microsoft IME 3.0 - The "best mouse." I didn't like it too much. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Low sens + low shape = Panzer don't like
[b]6. Corsair M60 or M65 - The best mouse I've ever used. Super solid Corsair quality, great weight (customizable) and great shape and features. I recommend this or the M90 to anyone looking for a mouse. Corsair is really stepping up! You can either palm or claw this mouse comfortably.[/b]
7. Roccat Savu - Roccat's fairly new, but I'd say that if you like Razer's look but want better quality Roccat's the way to go. I scored one of these mice at PAX and tried it out, I liked it. If it wasn't for my baby the Corsair M65 I might use it more.
8. CM Storm Inferno - Hated the shape, lent it to a friend though. If the shape fits your needs then it's a great mouse in every other way.
EDIT: 9. Logitech MX518 - I completely forgot about this mouse, I used it for a while after my G5 broke. Almost identical in feel to the G5, it's a great mouse, solid, standard palm mouse.
Hope this helps![/quote]
However apparently the Savu has problems with its sensor :P
I can't help you decide on which one to get- other than saying I have an old G400 and I really love it. It's the only gaming mouse I've ever used. Works great for me (cord has remained intact).
If you do decide to get a G400, I could maybe hook you up with a $20-25 USD one (brand new, never used, in original packaging), but shipping to Canada might not even make it worth it... Oh well. Just putting that out there.
If you do decide to get a G400, I could maybe hook you up with a $20-25 USD one (brand new, never used, in original packaging), but shipping to Canada might not even make it worth it... Oh well. Just putting that out there.
panzerxiiiCopied from another thread:
panzerxiiiI've used many mice over the years. Not ranked in any particular order:
1. Razer Deathadder - The go to mouse for many people. I liked the feel of it personally, but every single one I've had has gotten a messed up scroll wheel. I've used an old one, a Black edition, and the new one.
2. Logitech G7 or G5 - Another standard mouse. I liked using it, one of my favorite mice. Only complaint is that it feels somewhat cheap because of the plastic. Overally a good mouse though.
3. Razer Lachesis - The claw to the Deathadder's palm. Very solid mouse, I used it for a while, but found it was a bit small for my hand. The one Razer mouse I've had that the scroll wheel has not shit out.
4. Razer Mamba - The wireless Deathadder. Scroll wheel also shat out. Always ended up using it wired unless I wanted to look edgy by mounting it on the trophy style charging stand.
5. Microsoft IME 3.0 - The "best mouse." I didn't like it too much. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Low sens + low shape = Panzer don't like
6. Corsair M60 or M65 - The best mouse I've ever used. Super solid Corsair quality, great weight (customizable) and great shape and features. I recommend this or the M90 to anyone looking for a mouse. Corsair is really stepping up! You can either palm or claw this mouse comfortably.
7. Roccat Savu - Roccat's fairly new, but I'd say that if you like Razer's look but want better quality Roccat's the way to go. I scored one of these mice at PAX and tried it out, I liked it. If it wasn't for my baby the Corsair M65 I might use it more.
8. CM Storm Inferno - Hated the shape, lent it to a friend though. If the shape fits your needs then it's a great mouse in every other way.
EDIT: 9. Logitech MX518 - I completely forgot about this mouse, I used it for a while after my G5 broke. Almost identical in feel to the G5, it's a great mouse, solid, standard palm mouse.
Hope this helps!
However apparently the Savu has problems with its sensor :P
THANK YOU. It seems like you're the only other person I know who has even heard of the M60, much less used it.
The Corsair M60 is easily the best mouse I've ever used. I've been using it for ~9 months now and the ONLY complaint that I have is that sometimes my thumb gets sore from using the relatively small M4 as my push-to-talk. I don't know if you can re-bind the DPI switcher to have a real function but if you can this mouse would be literally perfect.
I also use a Corsair keyboard and I love it to death. Corsair products just feel so much more solid than other keyboards/mice I've used. The brushed aluminum looks good and feels great.
EDIT: I should mention that I have absolutely massive hands (I have to claw grip the Deathadder because it's too small for me to palm grip) and the M60 would probably not be a good choice for those with small hands.
[quote=panzerxiii]I've used many mice over the years. Not ranked in any particular order:
1. Razer Deathadder - The go to mouse for many people. I liked the feel of it personally, but every single one I've had has gotten a messed up scroll wheel. I've used an old one, a Black edition, and the new one.
2. Logitech G7 or G5 - Another standard mouse. I liked using it, one of my favorite mice. Only complaint is that it feels somewhat cheap because of the plastic. Overally a good mouse though.
3. Razer Lachesis - The claw to the Deathadder's palm. Very solid mouse, I used it for a while, but found it was a bit small for my hand. The one Razer mouse I've had that the scroll wheel has not shit out.
4. Razer Mamba - The wireless Deathadder. Scroll wheel also shat out. Always ended up using it wired unless I wanted to look edgy by mounting it on the trophy style charging stand.
5. Microsoft IME 3.0 - The "best mouse." I didn't like it too much. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Low sens + low shape = Panzer don't like
[b]6. Corsair M60 or M65 - The best mouse I've ever used. Super solid Corsair quality, great weight (customizable) and great shape and features. I recommend this or the M90 to anyone looking for a mouse. Corsair is really stepping up! You can either palm or claw this mouse comfortably.[/b]
7. Roccat Savu - Roccat's fairly new, but I'd say that if you like Razer's look but want better quality Roccat's the way to go. I scored one of these mice at PAX and tried it out, I liked it. If it wasn't for my baby the Corsair M65 I might use it more.
8. CM Storm Inferno - Hated the shape, lent it to a friend though. If the shape fits your needs then it's a great mouse in every other way.
EDIT: 9. Logitech MX518 - I completely forgot about this mouse, I used it for a while after my G5 broke. Almost identical in feel to the G5, it's a great mouse, solid, standard palm mouse.
Hope this helps![/quote]
However apparently the Savu has problems with its sensor :P[/quote]
THANK YOU. It seems like you're the only other person I know who has even heard of the M60, much less used it.
The Corsair M60 is easily the best mouse I've ever used. I've been using it for ~9 months now and the ONLY complaint that I have is that sometimes my thumb gets sore from using the relatively small M4 as my push-to-talk. I don't know if you can re-bind the DPI switcher to have a real function but if you can this mouse would be literally perfect.
I also use a Corsair keyboard and I love it to death. Corsair products just feel so much more solid than other keyboards/mice I've used. The brushed aluminum looks good and feels great.
EDIT: I should mention that I have absolutely massive hands (I have to claw grip the Deathadder because it's too small for me to palm grip) and the M60 would probably not be a good choice for those with small hands.
I like how half the posts in this thread aren't even related to what cyzer was asking.
From what I hear, g400s don't have angle snapping unlike old g400's.
From what I hear, g400s don't have angle snapping unlike old g400's.
brownymasterI like how half the posts in this thread aren't even related to what cyzer was asking.
From what I hear, new g400s don't have angle snapping, while old ones do.
Angle snapping was removed as of PID LZ13333. Lower PIDs have angle snapping.
There is no way to specify in online orders which version you are going to get. As time goes on, it is more likely that you will receive a non-angle-snapping version as stock of the older version is depleted. New units have been working their way into the channel for several months, though, so your chances of getting the new one are only increasing at this point.
In retail stores, you can tell the difference between the older and newer versions by the package's transparent closure labels; G400s without angle snapping have the Logitech logo printed on these labels. G400s with angle snapping have no printing on these labels.
I think by "G400s" he was referring to this http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA?tag=teamfortresst-20, not the older/newer version of the original G400.
From what I hear, new g400s don't have angle snapping, while old ones do.
[quote]Angle snapping was removed as of PID LZ13333. Lower PIDs have angle snapping.
There is no way to specify in online orders which version you are going to get. As time goes on, it is more likely that you will receive a non-angle-snapping version as stock of the older version is depleted. New units have been working their way into the channel for several months, though, so your chances of getting the new one are only increasing at this point.
In retail stores, you can tell the difference between the older and newer versions by the package's transparent closure labels; G400s without angle snapping have the Logitech logo printed on these labels. G400s with angle snapping have no printing on these labels.[/quote][/quote]
I think by "G400s" he was referring to this [url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA?tag=teamfortresst-20[/url], not the older/newer version of the original G400.
Mr_OwlI should mention that I have absolutely massive hands
You know what they say about big hands...
But back on topic, I'm currently using the old G400 and it's taking me a good while to think of actual complaints I have for the mouse. I guess you could say it's a little large and heavy but I personally prefer it that way. If you're into the claw grip and stuff maybe a smaller mouse may fit your needs.
You know what they say about big hands...
But back on topic, I'm currently using the old G400 and it's taking me a good while to think of actual complaints I have for the mouse. I guess you could say it's a little large and heavy but I personally prefer it that way. If you're into the claw grip and stuff maybe a smaller mouse may fit your needs.
I think by "G400s" he was referring to this http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/dp/B00BCEK2LA?tag=teamfortresst-20, not the older/newer version of the original G400.
You're right, my g400 doesn't even have a PID which made me a little confused and though it really referred to g400s (they switched to S/N, which all don't have angle snapping).
So no more angle snapping.
You're right, my g400 doesn't even have a PID which made me a little confused and though it really referred to g400s (they switched to S/N, which all don't have angle snapping).
So no more angle snapping.
No one's been the guinea pig for the s series really. What you know right now though is that the g400 sensor is already overkill and that the shape isn't going to be changing at all. The sensor could get even more overkill, or it could get worse. Either way you are paying more money for something with either no tangible benefits or possibly worse if they decided to butcher the sensor.
I own multiple mice from every company (aside from corsair) and I'm now 100% a zowie "fanboy" as I've been called, lol. But the AM/FK, or the EC evo series are all top notch.
kuzaI own multiple mice from every company (aside from corsair) and I'm now 100% a zowie "fanboy" as I've been called, lol. But the AM/FK, or the EC evo series are all top notch.
pics?
pics?
The G400s doesn't seem like much of an upgrade other than the design, it is still the same shape. I would just go with the G400 which is a well known reliable gaming mouse. Your decision though.
Anybody still got a mx518? Love that mouse, still works.
MaxHaxAnybody still got a mx518? Love that mouse, still works.
there is indeed no reason to change mice if your mx518 still works
though the number of working mx518 must be dwindling
there is indeed no reason to change mice if your mx518 still works
though the number of working mx518 must be dwindling
For the record, the MX518 had the cord issue as well. This is not a new phenomenon. The MX518 had angle snapping, and the early versions of the G400 had it as well. If anyone has a G400S, open MS paint and try to draw some horizontal lines. It's pretty easy to tell if it has angle snapping or not. I would be very surprised if they did go back to the old sensor, and I'm also very surprised at the reports about its cord. I wouldn't put too much faith in one Amazon review, but only time will tell.
I had a G400, but it got the cord problem and started disconnecting. I RMA'd it with no hassles whatsoever, and they sent me a new G400s in the main within the week.
Besides looking stupider, it's the same exact mouse. Sensor can also go up to 4000 dpi, which nobody plays on, so it doesn't really matter. The stock 800 dpi still has the best tracking I believe as was with the G400. It's got a nice shape, comfortable, sweat doesn't show up on it, and its stock feet have a nice glide.
10/10 would recommend.
If you're getting one new you might as well get a normal G400, because there's really no difference except ~$25
Besides looking stupider, it's the same exact mouse. Sensor can also go up to 4000 dpi, which nobody plays on, so it doesn't really matter. The stock 800 dpi still has the best tracking I believe as was with the G400. It's got a nice shape, comfortable, sweat doesn't show up on it, and its stock feet have a nice glide.
10/10 would recommend.
If you're getting one new you might as well get a normal G400, because there's really no difference except ~$25
cyzerMr. Terra I would be indeed interested!
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Let me know! :D Happy to help.
EDIT: As it turns out, the place I got mine from for $25 new is only selling them "manufacturer refurbished" for that price. The new ones are like $40 now. :( Sorry. I guess I could run by the actual store again and check, but online it says $40.
[url]STEAM_0:0:47567771[/url]
Let me know! :D Happy to help.
EDIT: As it turns out, the place I got mine from for $25 new is only selling them "manufacturer refurbished" for that price. The new ones are like $40 now. :( Sorry. I guess I could run by the actual store again and check, but online it says $40.
renxzenQuotation from an amazon review:
Things that did NOT change: The cord is still garbage. The G400 was notoriously bad because it would die if its cord was ever pulled on. I can't remember what that thing is called, but most mice have a pressure relief thing where the cord attaches to the mouse to prevent the cord from being a problem if it was pulled on. Unfortunately, same cord on this one. They really missed an opportunity for a meaningful upgrade. There is also still no onboard memory, which is a real shame for a $50 Logitech mouse. Another opportunity to make a fantastic improvement, which they passed up.
Source:http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/product-reviews/B00BCEK2LA/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
Happens to me frequently with my G400 and other Logitech mice. Each time they send me a new one, for free, without my having to pay shipping costs or ship the old one back. It's pretty awesome.
[quote]Things that did NOT change: The cord is still garbage. The G400 was notoriously bad because it would die if its cord was ever pulled on. I can't remember what that thing is called, but most mice have a pressure relief thing where the cord attaches to the mouse to prevent the cord from being a problem if it was pulled on. Unfortunately, same cord on this one. They really missed an opportunity for a meaningful upgrade. There is also still no onboard memory, which is a real shame for a $50 Logitech mouse. Another opportunity to make a fantastic improvement, which they passed up.[/quote]
Source:http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G400s-Optical-Gaming-910-003589/product-reviews/B00BCEK2LA/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending&tag=teamfortresst-20[/quote]
Happens to me frequently with my G400 and other Logitech mice. Each time they send me a new one, for free, without my having to pay shipping costs or ship the old one back. It's pretty awesome.
The G500 cable is the same so it will just happen again.
Brother got it for me over a year ago, I stopped using my G5 (still have it though, after 6 years of gaming with it, I couldn't throw it away, and it still works perfectly) and never looked back. I use the 2nd skin shown on the right, the little thumb rest on the default skin felt weird to me. I have no complaints to report thus far.
[img]http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/08/G9_2CTG.jpg[/img]
KissmeBrother got it for me over a year ago, I stopped using my G5 (still have it though, after 6 years of gaming with it, I couldn't throw it away, and it still works perfectly) and never looked back. I use the 2nd skin shown on the right, the little thumb rest on the default skin felt weird to me. I have no complaints to report thus far.
The laser sensor's built in prediction and accel is pretty disadvantageous in FPS games like TF2.
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The laser sensor's built in prediction and accel is pretty disadvantageous in FPS games like TF2.
"if you look at all the negative reviews of this mouse, they cite universally one problem: the dreaded intermittent USB disconnection.
This happens because the cord of this mouse is extremely light. This was a design choice to keep the cord's weight from moving the mouse after you let it go, which occurs frequently with other mice. Unfortunately, this light cord has a flimsy connection with the board in the g400's guts.
TO KEEP THIS PROBLEM FROM HAPPENING TO YOU:
1. Place the mouse wherever you're going to be using it, and plug it into your computer's USB port
2. pull the mouse down to the lowermost extremities of your mousepad / mouse surface. Now pull the mouse out another 6-8 inches out, and scotch tape the middle of the mouse cable to the underside of your desk
3. Enjoy having an awesome mouse for the next few years
The purpose of this fix is to greatly reduce tension in the cord, minimizing stress on aforementioned flimsy connection."
This is from a review I read before I bought my G400, and seriously have had 0 issues in 7 months with my mouse. Oddly enough this is something I've always done with my mice was a bit surprised people didn't do this.
This happens because the cord of this mouse is extremely light. This was a design choice to keep the cord's weight from moving the mouse after you let it go, which occurs frequently with other mice. Unfortunately, this light cord has a flimsy connection with the board in the g400's guts.
TO KEEP THIS PROBLEM FROM HAPPENING TO YOU:
1. Place the mouse wherever you're going to be using it, and plug it into your computer's USB port
2. pull the mouse down to the lowermost extremities of your mousepad / mouse surface. Now pull the mouse out another 6-8 inches out, and scotch tape the middle of the mouse cable to the underside of your desk
3. Enjoy having an awesome mouse for the next few years
The purpose of this fix is to greatly reduce tension in the cord, minimizing stress on aforementioned flimsy connection."
This is from a review I read before I bought my G400, and seriously have had 0 issues in 7 months with my mouse. Oddly enough this is something I've always done with my mice was a bit surprised people didn't do this.