jonnoinikoThis is something I wish I understood better: certain behaviors that some players show. For example, constant trash talk, playing in a cheap way, and then calling you a dog or trash even after they lose or barely win.
I notice this a lot now. When I was younger and really trying to improve at MGE, grinding hard and playing with an ultra-competitive mindset, I always wanted to win no matter what. But even then, I was never that angry, and I never tried to ragebait people. I don’t understand why this kind of behavior has become so common, because it’s making MGE almost unplayable. Every time I just want to join, have fun, and shoot a few rockets, people are constantly trash talking, kicking, re-adding, and repeating the cycle and for no reason i genuinely never trash talk and im never a dick to anyone on mge never really even have been.
One that stuck with me very recently before i stopped tf2 all together was a 2400 player I fought on ammomod. I won once or twice, then he won a few rounds as well, but throughout the entire session he was angry, constantly switching to shotgun, and nonstop trash talking. What I don’t understand is what I did to make him so angry, especially considering that he won most of our games.
you dont trash talk but u dox and bully people :) , u never won a 2400 in recent times either so i dont know what you're talking about since you dont have the capacity to beat anyone good , if this was supposed to be some mge fanfic u got the wrong thread
That's not true and If so give me an example of someone that i've doxxed or even trash talked :)
[quote=jonnoi][quote=niko]This is something I wish I understood better: certain behaviors that some players show. For example, constant trash talk, playing in a cheap way, and then calling you a dog or trash even after they lose or barely win.
I notice this a lot now. When I was younger and really trying to improve at MGE, grinding hard and playing with an ultra-competitive mindset, I always wanted to win no matter what. But even then, I was never that angry, and I never tried to ragebait people. I don’t understand why this kind of behavior has become so common, because it’s making MGE almost unplayable. Every time I just want to join, have fun, and shoot a few rockets, people are constantly trash talking, kicking, re-adding, and repeating the cycle and for no reason i genuinely never trash talk and im never a dick to anyone on mge never really even have been.
One that stuck with me very recently before i stopped tf2 all together was a 2400 player I fought on ammomod. I won once or twice, then he won a few rounds as well, but throughout the entire session he was angry, constantly switching to shotgun, and nonstop trash talking. What I don’t understand is what I did to make him so angry, especially considering that he won most of our games.[/quote]
you dont trash talk but u dox and bully people :) , u never won a 2400 in recent times either so i dont know what you're talking about since you dont have the capacity to beat anyone good , if this was supposed to be some mge fanfic u got the wrong thread[/quote]
That's not true and If so give me an example of someone that i've doxxed or even trash talked :)
Ammomod MGE is THE dick measuring ground. It's fighting to the death, nothing less.
Ammomod MGE is THE dick measuring ground. It's fighting to the death, nothing less.
i think its a bit like martial arts fighting styles. reserve shooter in ammomod is no holds barred bar fight with biting and tearing. mightyme is remembering the old style (ill call it ma3laa style, just because he was really good at it).
its more instructive, elegant, and soulful to never jump, go for directs, and only use shotgun once you use all your rockets. that is more of a cultural tradition. from before I started playing 13 years ago, so who knows how it started. maybe by lange himself. but that has to be culturally transmitted somehow. It used to be it be it was enforced by transgressor being called gay. lol. but that didn't work because everyone had different lines.
its not just ammomod. and its not just reserve shooter. there has always been a rich spectrum of behaviors that different people would get offended by. like spire. are you allowed to sit on the fence or not? most people would say no. but its the most winningest strategy. same with shotgunning before shooting your rockets. that one is also most winningest. but not as fun/beautiful to play.
shotgun switching is the most notorious imo. its simply a superior strategy on paper.1 rocket 1 shotgun is literally higher dps than 4 rockets then shotgun, not to mention it being harder to dodge. it can be fine in scout vs soldier, but in soldier v soldier its generally agreed on as ugly. but at the same time, if you run shotgun in 6s soldier, you need every bang you can get for your buck. if you take 80 for a rocket jump, you need to be able to delete scouts.
so is mge a training mod, or something that should be beautiful on its own?
obviously, as the co-founder of mge.tf with Neptune, I think it should be beautiful on its own. But adding cash prizes and spectators to spire matches pretty much inevitably led to all the ugly behaviors immediately. That didn't necessarily mean it wasn't fun to watch or play.. but it wasn't ideal.
Comparing this to melee, it also has frowned upon behaviors: edge camping, playing for time, wobbling, being overly defensive. they call it "sickness". in both cases sickness can win: (mang0 agression, risky airshots), but also lameness can win (hungrybox poking, sitting on fence and shotgun denying).
one thing sports do is to have referees. you can't bite someone in MMA. but we can't do that obviously. but we can bend the rules. I actually wrote a sourcemod modification to the old mge plugin that forced you to shoot 3 rockets before switching to shotgun. and we could make the fence on spire hurt 10hp/sec if you stood on it.
another thing sports/melee does is have clear seperations between max-effort play, and casual play. mge has always been an ambiguous mix, which leads to friction. mge.tf was meant to stratify that into the league matches and the casual play. why play for ELO in a public server when the real prize (and medal) happens in the league?
but that hasn't seemed to have worked. maybe it will eventually.
If we can't referee, and people won't culturally follow the ambiguous unwritten rules, then I think we have to embed the styles into the fabric of the game to preserve beauty while also playing max-effort.
i think its a bit like martial arts fighting styles. reserve shooter in ammomod is no holds barred bar fight with biting and tearing. mightyme is remembering the old style (ill call it ma3laa style, just because he was really good at it).
its more instructive, elegant, and soulful to never jump, go for directs, and only use shotgun once you use all your rockets. that is more of a cultural tradition. from before I started playing 13 years ago, so who knows how it started. maybe by lange himself. but that has to be culturally transmitted somehow. It used to be it be it was enforced by transgressor being called gay. lol. but that didn't work because everyone had different lines.
its not just ammomod. and its not just reserve shooter. there has always been a rich spectrum of behaviors that different people would get offended by. like spire. are you allowed to sit on the fence or not? most people would say no. but its the most winningest strategy. same with shotgunning before shooting your rockets. that one is also most winningest. but not as fun/beautiful to play.
shotgun switching is the most notorious imo. its simply a superior strategy on paper.[url=https://youtu.be/n7mmMApr24w]1 rocket 1 shotgun is literally higher dps than 4 rockets then shotgun[/url], not to mention it being harder to dodge. it can be fine in scout vs soldier, but in soldier v soldier its generally agreed on as ugly. but at the same time, if you run shotgun in 6s soldier, you need every bang you can get for your buck. if you take 80 for a rocket jump, you need to be able to [url=https://youtu.be/k_9aJciW0NY?t=831]delete[/url] [url=https://youtu.be/VzXEc7bd6YY?t=18] scouts[/url].
so is mge a training mod, or something that should be beautiful on its own?
obviously, as the co-founder of mge.tf with Neptune, I think it should be beautiful on its own. But adding cash prizes and spectators to spire matches pretty much inevitably led to all the ugly behaviors immediately. That didn't necessarily mean it wasn't fun to watch or play.. but it wasn't ideal.
Comparing this to melee, it also has frowned upon behaviors: edge camping, playing for time, wobbling, being overly defensive. they call it "sickness". in both cases sickness can win: (mang0 agression, risky airshots), but also lameness can win (hungrybox poking, sitting on fence and shotgun denying).
one thing sports do is to have referees. you can't bite someone in MMA. but we can't do that obviously. but we can bend the rules. I actually wrote a sourcemod modification to the old mge plugin that forced you to shoot 3 rockets before switching to shotgun. and we could make the fence on spire hurt 10hp/sec if you stood on it.
another thing sports/melee does is have clear seperations between max-effort play, and casual play. mge has always been an ambiguous mix, which leads to friction. mge.tf was meant to stratify that into the league matches and the casual play. why play for ELO in a public server when the real prize (and medal) happens in the league?
but that hasn't seemed to have worked. maybe it will eventually.
If we can't referee, and people won't culturally follow the ambiguous unwritten rules, then I think we have to embed the styles into the fabric of the game to preserve beauty while also playing max-effort.
caring about how others play is completely pointless because they arent gonna respect ur wishes, if someone plays in a way that u personally dislike just dont play em (shotgun switching, counterjumping etc). mge should however have a whitelist because what is the point of not being able to jump the spire cuz ur opponent has the reserve shooter equipped, You Know What I Mean?
the actual REAL present issues with mge currently are that the most popular server is ugc-gaming, which runs like complete and utter dogshit. im aware it displays 5 ping in the server browser to Hack Le System and appear at the top but thats not what im complaining about, me and multiple others have experienced the same issue: it feels like 150+ ping regardless of what ur ping actually is. it stutters a lot and nothing that should hit does.
this + the fact that most of the cheaters/alts/both that infest the server are essentially untouchable through reports, because ugc-gaming reports are available for public viewing and most of these people are known doxxers. they also do not take action on anything that happens outside of their servers, so things such as etf2l bans are not mirrored. i really wanna play vs cheaters ------> look at this guys clips Lmfao https://www.twitch.tv/meooow42
caring about how others play is completely pointless because they arent gonna respect ur wishes, if someone plays in a way that u personally dislike just dont play em (shotgun switching, counterjumping etc). mge should however have a whitelist because what is the point of not being able to jump the spire cuz ur opponent has the reserve shooter equipped, You Know What I Mean?
the actual REAL present issues with mge currently are that the most popular server is ugc-gaming, which runs like complete and utter dogshit. im aware it displays 5 ping in the server browser to Hack Le System and appear at the top but thats not what im complaining about, me and multiple others have experienced the same issue: it feels like 150+ ping regardless of what ur ping actually is. it stutters a lot and nothing that should hit does.
this + the fact that most of the cheaters/alts/both that infest the server are essentially untouchable through reports, because ugc-gaming reports are available for public viewing and most of these people are known doxxers. they also do not take action on anything that happens outside of their servers, so things such as etf2l bans are not mirrored. i really wanna play vs cheaters ------> look at this guys clips Lmfao https://www.twitch.tv/meooow42
100000% yes please if you are in NA play on the spaceship servers instead the ugc server has such bad performance but i have to play on it because the spaceship ones are always empty
100000% yes please if you are in NA play on the spaceship servers instead the ugc server has such bad performance but i have to play on it because the spaceship ones are always empty
For eu panda mge is a lot better than ugc , panda just needs a revamp i guess or elo reset , i dont know why it died to be honest ugc is terrible a lot of people have fps issues on there as well not just ping issues other than that staff is also terrible
For eu panda mge is a lot better than ugc , panda just needs a revamp i guess or elo reset , i dont know why it died to be honest ugc is terrible a lot of people have fps issues on there as well not just ping issues other than that staff is also terrible