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imagine cheating and losing a map to me
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o6yjnophf3iaqv/demos4zanda.rar?dl=0
a couple to choose from
Doughy Or apply for an admin spot at ETF2L Lord knows they could use more higher level 6s admins even just to talk to players about what they like/don't like
Purely in response to this, it is something I've considered. However I'm fairly certain the admin team would never want somebody with my ban history on either admin team (understandably, fair consequences for my actions) but this doesn't mean other people can't.
Doughy If anyone truly believes that the evidence used to catch cheaters should be shared by the anti cheat team
That and in relation to the "open information relationship" aspect, I was never intending for my posts to come across as me wanting to look at all of the evidence because that would involve the tools and how they caught them. I simply wish to know which features of the cheat they were using, which games it was in and that the player was 100% cheating without a doubt. Mistakes from the anticheat team are rare but can happen so that's why I always chip into these big cheating ban drama threads to argue for the person who's been banned, especially when no one suspected him/nothing about his play was blatantly suspicious. Either way as you said, it is their league not mine and whether my arguments make sense or not at da end of the day its completely up to them how it goes.
Last point I'll make is that I feel as though having high level players from 6s on the anticheat team would go a long way in helping with aspects of cheats that the tools can't catch (if there are any). This is purely theory but as quintosh mentioned specific values I'd assume the tools are for things like aimbots and etc rather than walls (correct me if I'm wrong). So if there were any high level players with the free time to look into demos and judge whether somebody's play was "he's just good" or "he can literally see thru walls" I'm sure that'd really help the AC team.
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Post below is much more informative than anything I've read prior and disputes a lot of what I've said very well. Recommend reading dat more than anything else on the thread.
Nvm, just got this from a private source who shall remain anonymous. Can't believe he'd do this in a league match. You never know who could be cheating.
aiera You can mirror a copy of your game to a separate monitor and only have cheats visible on the monitor no one can see. A webcam pointing at a monitor only proves that a cheater can afford another monitor.
Didn't know that, thanks! New knowledge always appreciated.
kindred why would anyone wallhack? you can do that with an aimbot + you can do that at lan
You are an idiot. Wallhacks are far less obvious and much easier to hide than an aimbot. Wallhacks also have a much greater impact due to the effect they have on your play. If you have Okay Aim your aim will immediately transcend a few levels if you have wallhacks due to being able to know where people are on the map before they know where you are. This gives you more time to think about how you will approach a situation and gives you a major advantage. Aimbotting also gives you a much bigger advantage but at the risk of being far more obvious and easier to detect. If you learn to play with walls in a way that looks like "Just Gamesense" you appear legit, I'm sure there are plenty of players who have gotten / are getting away with it.
kindred since someone mentioned handcam:
you can cheat with handcam
you can cheat with a camera on your monitor
you can cheat at lan
Jeven is definitely not using aim assist lmfao. I only mentioned this because it disproves the usage of ESP/Walls. Sure legit aimbots are much harder to spot but that's exactly why cheaters hardly use aim assist anymore. The argument for cheaters now is usually walls. If he was using aim assist on soldier it'd be blatant because it is unbelievably easy to tell the difference between legit rocket aim and projectile aimbot. Either way its my bad on the wording I know that aim assist on a low percentage is practically indeterminable to the human eye on hitscan (Thanks Torrit).
I'm not sure about other things such as triggerbot and how the admin tools would work around something like that if the player were to toggle it so it looks like they have their moments or whatever but again that doesn't really apply to the only class that jeven plays in competitive.
To add onto my statement about walls I have learned from a friend that there was a csgo player who paid $1000, and the Indian player (I assume forsaken?) who had walls that couldn't be picked up on a webcam due to the % of the colour. However I don't think anything like this would be likely in team fortress 2 considering it requires a financial motivation. The return you get on tf2 is minimal compared to csgo and the cheating scene in that game is considerably larger. Just rambling again but ye you get the idea.
Gaz What happened to "innocent until PROVEN guilty"? It is completely normal to ask for evidence for a matter such as this
Is something I'm in agreement with. I do believe that to a certain extent we should be told what they were caught for and which games it was in. Not so much how they were caught (we don't need to know about the tools and whatnot) but just knowing what they were caught with and where/when is enough to put doubters (such as myself) to rest and to prove that the ban is justified and the player is actually a cheater. I think it should be expected for those labelled as guilty to be proven as such. Think dat makes sense anyway.
Collaide People can cheat on lan. Remember KQLY storing his cheat on his mouse? An aim-assist cheat that wasn't visible on the screen itself! Now if someone wanted to cheat at a small community lan, all they would have to do is bring a tiny USB with the cheat on it, transfer the files over in the matter of seconds, and pull it out. PC's would need to get routinely checked in between matches in order to ensure nobody is cheating. Still, this does not exclude the possibility of someone cheating online.
If he is attending a LAN with an ETF2L ban would you not assume that people would have kept a very watchful eye over him? I doubt he would've been able to smuggle anything in. Not to mention that if he was using lmaobox premium (the most popular cheat at the time) There is no doubt he would've been caught within the same ban wave as azn (still allowed to play despite a league ban + a vac ban on his old account). In any case this thread wasn't meant to be about baud, its about jeven. I agree with the fact this ban seems completely unfair and way out of proportion if its true that the admins have 0 proof that he cheated within league or scrim matches!! A permanent ban should be saved for actual cheaters with undeniable proof of their guilt, such as public enemy #1 azn.
Collaide Even after getting this personally explained to you more than a year ago you still haven't developed any argument except calling the concept dumb (despite there being analogies in other fields and cheaters and cheat developers that have directly stated such things).
The type of cheat a player is banned for is usually revealed during the next ban post, no? That has never been secret information.
All I see for the ban reason for all of the recent cheating bans is simply "Cheating." I see no indication as to which cheat they were using/caught using. The concept is dumb, how someone is going to hide their cheats from the special tools that detect their cheats without knowledge of said tools or how they work is completely nonsensical? A cheater is still cheating and if said tools detect it, then they are caught.
CollaideThe fact that you have to go back to a previously controversial bans from December 2014 (Nearly 8 years ago) to focus on a ban that was never even proven to be incorrect should speak for itself. Even in other old controversial cases like the NiCo script ban (which was also less severe than cheating), it was overturned after admins re-evaluated it with new information.
I also don't think some people should go around and accuse others of personal bias, especially if they solely enter the conversation on behalf of banned players they themselves are friendly with. That makes it seem like you care more about
players in your proximity rather than the actual rules and guidelines themselves.
I haven't been friendly with jeven in over two years now, we stopped talking ages ago. Sure there's still some bias within my post but my bias holds little to no weight comparable to the admins, who literally control whether or not you play.
Another controversial ban I can bring up more recently is Wizat but you and many other players are 100% sure he cheated and still does. The player that played exactly the same as he always did with his monitor in view within his handcam. A player with a similar mentality and drive to jeven. And don't even begin to claim I'm biased towards wizat as well considering I have literally hardly spoken to the guy.
The same things that occurred during that controversy are happening here. I only brought up the baud case instead because of the link between the admins who joined the AC Team and the player who was banned to point out an aspect of bias. An old example for sure, but there are little cases of false cheating bans with aspects relevant to this discussion to pick out from.
"Never disproven" Baud was banned for using aim assist and aimed exactly the same at LAN. That's enough proof that the ban was false for me!
Playing on a team with the guy and being close to him for like a year at the time I don't personally think its likely he'd cheat at all, I know the argument can be made that having a "drive" to compete and be your best doesn't necessarily invalidate the possibility that he would cheat (in some cases it even contributes) but knowing the time he put into watching demos, mentoring other players, playing 6v6 as a whole and just the videogame in general its almost nonsensical for him to cheat imo. The game is a like a sport to the guy. Sure you could argue that his timing in game is impeccable, his reads on players are good but doesn't this apply to a majority of the top soldiers? How that contributes to the idea he is cheating makes no sense to me.
Previous mentions in the thread include the general dislike admins have for him, which can't be denied considering despite admins claiming to be impartial bans in the past and present have definitely been questionable? Baud was brought up in the thread already and noticeably two of the New anticheat admins (at the time of his ban) were members of the French community who were publicly accusatory of baud beforehand and openly disliked him. Baud was banned after their introduction to the team.
Also the lack of transparency to "prevent people from learning from other cheaters mistakes" is such an incomprehensibly dumb concept. It's an aspect I completely disagree with because at most all we need to know is what type of cheat the player was banned for (The league literally used to do this) instead of just "Cheating". On top of this doesn't the anticheat team claim to have some magic secret tools that help them find cheaters? If that's the case why would it matter if they try to conceal it more, you'll still be able to tell they're cheating? I wouldn't know because we have no knowledge of what these tools are or how they work, what they do etc.
Anyway, to finish up my little ramble as far as I'm aware he's banned for a vac on an alt account and getting vacced on an alt =/= cheated in league matches and scrims or whatever. On the flipside however if he was cheating this should definitely be an indicator that it is more likely than not that there are more cheaters playing this videogame at a high level/climbing divs and going almost unnoticed. Definitely an uh oh either way around.
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