I wonder how ETF2L would look if they went P2P for prem (with smaller fees than esea) while offering the same services as now and putting up that money (-server upkeep) as prizepot.
That way new players could be drawn in with initiatives like the fresh meat cup, they would play with the drive to climb divs (as people are now) and once they reached the top they could play for some money.
This is purely hypothetical though because following a structure (P2P or F2P) from the start is easier than switching.
I wonder how ETF2L would look if they went P2P for prem (with smaller fees than esea) while offering the same services as now and putting up that money (-server upkeep) as prizepot.
That way new players could be drawn in with initiatives like the fresh meat cup, they would play with the drive to climb divs (as people are now) and once they reached the top they could play for some money.
This is purely hypothetical though because following a structure (P2P or F2P) from the start is easier than switching.
Splatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years that has not tried to be Call of Duty, Halo, or Borderlands.
Splatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years that has not tried to be Call of Duty, Halo, or Borderlands.
GentlemanJonStarry_NebulaeOk wow I never knew that Europe only had one league ever...
EU has had several leagues (including ESEA), they all fell to ETF2L for the main reason that ETF2L doesn't have a buggy shit client that fucks with your PC (sometimes in merely annoying ways, sometimes in illegal ways) and it's free. There have been various schisms, unlocks arguments, etc and they've spread across competing leagues. ETF2L's unchallenged dominance is a relatively recent development.
ETF2L was also started very, very quickly after TF2 came out, founded by TFC players. They weren't late to market, they were first to market ahead of commercial competition.
Money has never been able to dislodge it permanently. There was some momentum behind the ESEA expansion but... they mined bitcoins and that was that.
Also ETF2L dominates because this is a community game and nothing more. That is the sole reason the game is alive, for profit leagues come and go and ESEA will soon join then unless there is a massive change in mindset from the community. If people want to play in a paid league or a community league that is up to them but the idea we as a community should be pressuring peeople to either withdraw from ESEA or UGC "for the sake of the game" or because they personally have a negative experience in a leagur is completely wrong and this thread and the discussions around them should stop immediately.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Starry_Nebulae]Ok wow I never knew that Europe only had one league ever... [/quote]
EU has had several leagues (including ESEA), they all fell to ETF2L for the main reason that ETF2L doesn't have a buggy shit client that fucks with your PC (sometimes in merely annoying ways, sometimes in illegal ways) and it's free. There have been various schisms, unlocks arguments, etc and they've spread across competing leagues. ETF2L's unchallenged dominance is a relatively recent development.
ETF2L was also started very, very quickly after TF2 came out, founded by TFC players. They weren't late to market, they were first to market ahead of commercial competition.
Money has never been able to dislodge it permanently. There was some momentum behind the ESEA expansion but... they mined bitcoins and that was that.[/quote]
Also ETF2L dominates because this is a community game and nothing more. That is the sole reason the game is alive, for profit leagues come and go and ESEA will soon join then unless there is a massive change in mindset from the community. If people want to play in a paid league or a community league that is up to them but the idea we as a community should be pressuring peeople to either withdraw from ESEA or UGC "for the sake of the game" or because they personally have a negative experience in a leagur is completely wrong and this thread and the discussions around them should stop immediately.
Hildreth... this thread and the discussions around them should stop immediately.
A guy gets a little bit of admin power and look at what happens
[quote=Hildreth]... this thread and the discussions around them should stop immediately.[/quote]
A guy gets a little bit of admin power and look at what happens
DollySplatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years that has not tried to be Call of Duty, Halo, or Borderlands.
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[quote=Dolly]Splatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years that has not tried to be Call of Duty, Halo, or Borderlands.[/quote]
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Splatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years with depraved internet porn.
Splatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years with depraved internet porn.
GentlemanJonHildreth... this thread and the discussions around them should stop immediately.
A guy gets a little bit of admin power and look at what happens
If you don't think it's wrong for people to categorically state "your TF2 should die so I can enjoy my TF2" is wrong, then I don't want to know you. That's basically what this thread is.
ESEA is good for the the Top players in the same way UGC is good for the newer players, each works to fulfill their purposes, however ESEA's success relies on filtering down to newer players and getting them interested in their league, UGC can survive and has survived exclusively on Highlander or just having newer players. A free community league works for some people, a paid league works for others, you should not be worried how people choose to spend their money as much as you should not be worried about the ambition of players who come from UGC and are comfortable playing UGC only.
It's same argument I have given for years about why Highlander is a good competitive gamemode for inclusiveness (if nothing else) yet people seem to be under the impression that something that works for some people in this community should not exist to facilitate their preferred (and slightly more popular gamemode) and still idiots bring it up.
[quote=GentlemanJon][quote=Hildreth]... this thread and the discussions around them should stop immediately.[/quote]
A guy gets a little bit of admin power and look at what happens[/quote]
If you don't think it's wrong for people to categorically state "your TF2 should die so I can enjoy my TF2" is wrong, then I don't want to know you. That's basically what this thread is.
ESEA is good for the the Top players in the same way UGC is good for the newer players, each works to fulfill their purposes, however ESEA's success relies on filtering down to newer players and getting them interested in their league, UGC can survive and has survived exclusively on Highlander or just having newer players. A free community league works for some people, a paid league works for others, you should not be worried how people choose to spend their money as much as you should not be worried about the ambition of players who come from UGC and are comfortable playing UGC only.
It's same argument I have given for years about why Highlander is a good competitive gamemode for inclusiveness (if nothing else) yet people seem to be under the impression that something that works for some people in this community should not exist to facilitate their preferred (and slightly more popular gamemode) and still idiots bring it up.
RRPtrippaSplatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years with depraved internet porn.
GOD NO WHY
HOLY FUCK I AM AT WORK AND I DID NOT NEED THAT PICTURE TO AUTO OPEN.
[quote=RRP][quote=trippa]Splatoon is a necessary shooter. Here's why:
Name a single shooter in the past 10 years with depraved internet porn.[/quote]
GOD NO WHY[/quote]
HOLY FUCK I AM AT WORK AND I DID NOT NEED THAT PICTURE TO AUTO OPEN.
HildrethIf you don't think it's wrong for people to categorically state "your TF2 should die so I can enjoy my TF2" is wrong, then I don't want to know you.
So will be you be checking every person who starts a conversation with you one at a time, or putting up a survey and assuming that non-respondents make the blacklist?
[quote=Hildreth]If you don't think it's wrong for people to categorically state "your TF2 should die so I can enjoy my TF2" is wrong, then I don't want to know you. [/quote]
So will be you be checking every person who starts a conversation with you one at a time, or putting up a survey and assuming that non-respondents make the blacklist?
The most frustrating thing about these threads isn't that people are wrong, it's that nothing ever actually changes.
The most frustrating thing about these threads isn't that people are wrong, it's that nothing ever actually changes.