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#541
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SpaceCadetI understand that you hate America because you say it regularly but this post makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. Nuclear weapons were placed as a deterrent against a second invasion attempt and as a tit for tat response against US nukes in Turkey.

First off, I don't dispute anything you said the US was doing at the time but you act as if Russia was an angel during the cold war and did nothing at all that could have been considered "an act of war". Wrong, do some research.

Comparatively speaking they were as they generaly declined direct intervention compared to the US's direct invasions and attempts to prop up US and NATO backed despots against popular uprisings.

Secondly, nobody wins in a nuclear exchange. Anything fired at the US would have been returned right back to Russia and we all would have been "bathed in a nuclear inferno".

A few of the major cities within range of NATO delivery systems including Moscow would have been lost but the US was not capable of MAD in 1962.

At the time the USSR's command and control structure could have survived a nuclear exchange. The US's could not. The US's non existent satellite reconnaissance capability allowed for abundant closed cities in the USSR. Also the population USSR is far more spread out while the population of the US is heavily concentrated on the coast. The USSR at the time also had far superior delivery systems. Nato had more weapons but was severely lacking in deliverability.

So avoiding a philosophical argument the USSR in 1962 was perfectly capable of taking on NATO and coming out with territorial gains and a surviving command and control infrastructure. It wasn't until the 1970s that the US was capable of M.A.D. Casualties however would make WW2 look like a minor border skirmish.

Not really arguing pro nuclear war here. I just think its a interesting bit of history.

[quote=SpaceCadet]
I understand that you hate America because you say it regularly but this post makes no sense. [/quote] It makes perfect sense. Nuclear weapons were placed as a deterrent against a second invasion attempt and as a tit for tat response against US nukes in Turkey.

[quote] First off, I don't dispute anything you said the US was doing at the time but you act as if Russia was an angel during the cold war and did nothing at all that could have been considered "an act of war". Wrong, do some research.[/quote] Comparatively speaking they were as they generaly declined direct intervention compared to the US's direct invasions and attempts to prop up US and NATO backed despots against popular uprisings.

[quote] Secondly, nobody wins in a nuclear exchange. Anything fired at the US would have been returned right back to Russia and we all would have been "bathed in a nuclear inferno".[/quote]
A few of the major cities within range of NATO delivery systems including Moscow would have been lost but the US was not capable of MAD in 1962.

At the time the USSR's command and control structure could have survived a nuclear exchange. The US's could not. The US's non existent satellite reconnaissance capability allowed for abundant closed cities in the USSR. Also the population USSR is far more spread out while the population of the US is heavily concentrated on the coast. The USSR at the time also had far superior delivery systems. Nato had more weapons but was severely lacking in deliverability.

So avoiding a philosophical argument the USSR in 1962 was perfectly capable of taking on NATO and coming out with territorial gains and a surviving command and control infrastructure. It wasn't until the 1970s that the US was capable of M.A.D. Casualties however would make WW2 look like a minor border skirmish.

Not really arguing pro nuclear war here. I just think its a interesting bit of history.
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#542
3 Frags +

i wish r/tf2 mod did their job

i wish r/tf2 mod did their job
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#543
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I am not sure where you are getting your facts. To say the USSR had more advanced and better capabilities than the US in the 1960's is plain false. I have read extensively about the military side and have several books at home I re-read from time to time. I believe you need to do more true research. As a brief overview on US / USSR Nuclear Capabilities for the time in question, read this:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/10/what-was-at-stake-in-1962/

Additionally, I printed out this document and have read it a few times. It does make for interesting reading and can give a clear and factual basis for the discussion:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000242848.pdf

I am not sure where you are getting your facts. To say the USSR had more advanced and better capabilities than the US in the 1960's is plain false. I have read extensively about the military side and have several books at home I re-read from time to time. I believe you need to do more true research. As a brief overview on US / USSR Nuclear Capabilities for the time in question, read this:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/10/what-was-at-stake-in-1962/

Additionally, I printed out this document and have read it a few times. It does make for interesting reading and can give a clear and factual basis for the discussion:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000242848.pdf
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#544
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SpaceCadetI am not sure where you are getting your facts. To say the USSR had more advanced and better capabilities than the US in the 1960's is plain false. I have read extensively about the military side and have several books at home I re-read from time to time. I believe you need to do more true research. As a brief overview on US / USSR Nuclear Capabilities for the time in question, read this:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/10/what-was-at-stake-in-1962/

The USSR had 700 IRBMs and a a two-to-one advantage in conventional ground forces. The US had more ICBMs. Bombers on both sides would have had a negligible success rate.

[quote=SpaceCadet]I am not sure where you are getting your facts. To say the USSR had more advanced and better capabilities than the US in the 1960's is plain false. I have read extensively about the military side and have several books at home I re-read from time to time. I believe you need to do more true research. As a brief overview on US / USSR Nuclear Capabilities for the time in question, read this:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/10/what-was-at-stake-in-1962/[/quote]
The USSR had 700 IRBMs and a a two-to-one advantage in conventional ground forces. The US had more ICBMs. Bombers on both sides would have had a negligible success rate.
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#545
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ScrewballSpaceCadetI am not sure where you are getting your facts. To say the USSR had more advanced and better capabilities than the US in the 1960's is plain false. I have read extensively about the military side and have several books at home I re-read from time to time. I believe you need to do more true research. As a brief overview on US / USSR Nuclear Capabilities for the time in question, read this:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/10/what-was-at-stake-in-1962/
The USSR had 700 IRBMs and a a two-to-one advantage in conventional ground forces. The US had more ICBMs. Bombers on both sides would have had a negligible success rate.

I am not sure if you are answering your own question or not.
Conventional forces are irrelevant to the discussion about MAD.

ScrewballA few of the major cities within range of NATO delivery systems including Moscow would have been lost but the US was not capable of MAD in 1962.

This is a direct quote describing the Nuclear Triad:

"By the time of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, both the United States and the Soviet Union had developed the capability of launching a nuclear-tipped missile from a submerged submarine, which completed the third leg of the nuclear triad weapons strategy necessary to fully implement the MAD doctrine. Having a three-branched nuclear capability eliminated the possibility that an enemy could destroy all of a nation's nuclear forces in a first-strike attack; this, in turn, ensured the credible threat of a devastating retaliatory strike against the aggressor, increasing a nation's nuclear deterrence."

[quote=Screwball][quote=SpaceCadet]I am not sure where you are getting your facts. To say the USSR had more advanced and better capabilities than the US in the 1960's is plain false. I have read extensively about the military side and have several books at home I re-read from time to time. I believe you need to do more true research. As a brief overview on US / USSR Nuclear Capabilities for the time in question, read this:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/10/what-was-at-stake-in-1962/[/quote]
The USSR had 700 IRBMs and a a two-to-one advantage in conventional ground forces. The US had more ICBMs. Bombers on both sides would have had a negligible success rate.[/quote]

I am not sure if you are answering your own question or not.
Conventional forces are irrelevant to the discussion about MAD.

[quote=Screwball]
A few of the major cities within range of NATO delivery systems including Moscow would have been lost but the US was not capable of MAD in 1962.[/quote]

This is a direct quote describing the Nuclear Triad:

[u]"By the time of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, both the United States and the Soviet Union had developed the capability of launching a nuclear-tipped missile from a submerged submarine, which completed the third leg of the nuclear triad weapons strategy necessary to fully implement the MAD doctrine. Having a three-branched nuclear capability eliminated the possibility that an enemy could destroy all of a nation's nuclear forces in a first-strike attack; this, in turn, ensured the credible threat of a devastating retaliatory strike against the aggressor, increasing a nation's nuclear deterrence."[/u]
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#546
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WHY DO YOU PUT THIS CONVERSATION IN THIS THREAD

WHY DO YOU PUT THIS CONVERSATION IN THIS THREAD
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#547
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WHY DID YOUR MOM CRAWL ON UR DADS DICK

A: cuz she only got paid half in advance.

WHY DID YOUR MOM CRAWL ON UR DADS DICK

A: cuz she only got paid half in advance.
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#548
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i completely forgot about the ronin drop and i really wanted the cognac hoodie :(

i completely forgot about the ronin drop and i really wanted the cognac hoodie :(
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#549
5 Frags +

we should be able to look at the successes that Castro had (literacy, health care, woman's rights) without lionizing him to the point of ignoring the complete breakdown of civil society and suppression of opposition that he created

we should be able to admit that some Cubans in Miami are entirely justified in their hatred of Castro, while others were partially culpable for the situation in the country as the elites before him

nuance should be possible

we should be able to look at the successes that Castro had (literacy, health care, woman's rights) without lionizing him to the point of ignoring the complete breakdown of civil society and suppression of opposition that he created

we should be able to admit that some Cubans in Miami are entirely justified in their hatred of Castro, while others were partially culpable for the situation in the country as the elites before him

nuance should be possible
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#550
7 Frags +

Can we go back to venting our anger and not turn every thread into a political one

Can we go back to venting our anger and not turn every thread into a political one
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#551
6 Frags +

It's always the same people as well.
Why don't they just talk on discord or smth

It's always the same people as well.
Why don't they just talk on discord or smth
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#552
5 Frags +

if u dont want to read politics just skip the post who gives a fuck

if u dont want to read politics just skip the post who gives a fuck
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#553
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mustardoverlordif u dont want to read politics just skip the post who gives a fuck

um because its hard to skip a whole page of politics on a totally unrelated thread?

[quote=mustardoverlord]if u dont want to read politics just skip the post who gives a fuck[/quote]
um because its hard to skip a whole page of politics on a totally unrelated thread?
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#554
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people talking about politics doesn't preclude others from venting their anger, so if you're only interested in those kinds of posts then there's no real problem is there

on an unrelated note i'm kinda pissed that trump's views on climate change are utterly retarded and there's pretty much nothing anyone can do about it at this point, he's going to defund nasa's research and basically give the middle finger to science

people talking about politics doesn't preclude others from venting their anger, so if you're only interested in those kinds of posts then there's no real problem is there

on an unrelated note i'm kinda pissed that trump's views on climate change are utterly retarded and there's pretty much nothing anyone can do about it at this point, he's going to defund nasa's research and basically give the middle finger to science
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#555
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One of my roommates is such a fucking scumbag and I'm honestly getting sick of him thinking he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He invites random guys over to play video games but often don't leave until it's about 2 in the morning. It's also a common thing for them to end up smoking the devil's lettuce and yell and make a lot of racket. I don't mind it that much but when I'm trying to study or get some shut eye, it really gets on my nerves.

My room also backs up to the living room where they usually camp out so I don't have much else of an option for a place to get away from a lot of it. I also don't have any nearby friends that I can just get away to so I can get some peace and quiet, so all of this is incredibly frustrating for me. I may be extra critical of this stuff because I have had a headache the entire day but this alongside waking up to what can only be described as a reeking smell of weed and/or cigs for a decent bit most of the semester has gotten on my nerves and I'm sick and tired of it.

I really want to include a picture of the dog that we got this semester because honestly he keeps me spirits high sometimes when they're down, but I don't have one. I might edit this later if I can get a picture of him

One of my roommates is such a fucking scumbag and I'm honestly getting sick of him thinking he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He invites random guys over to play video games but often don't leave until it's about 2 in the morning. It's also a common thing for them to end up smoking the devil's lettuce and yell and make a lot of racket. I don't mind it that much but when I'm trying to study or get some shut eye, it really gets on my nerves.

My room also backs up to the living room where they usually camp out so I don't have much else of an option for a place to get away from a lot of it. I also don't have any nearby friends that I can just get away to so I can get some peace and quiet, so all of this is incredibly frustrating for me. I may be extra critical of this stuff because I have had a headache the entire day but this alongside waking up to what can only be described as a reeking smell of weed and/or cigs for a decent bit most of the semester has gotten on my nerves and I'm sick and tired of it.

I really want to include a picture of the dog that we got this semester because honestly he keeps me spirits high sometimes when they're down, but I don't have one. I might edit this later if I can get a picture of him
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#556
3 Frags +
SMAni wish r/tf2 mod did their job

seriously, fuck the /r/tf2 mods

[quote=SMAn]i wish r/tf2 mod did their job[/quote]

seriously, fuck the /r/tf2 mods
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#557
6 Frags +

i hate how my English teacher is so hypocritical to her own statements
she literally tells us to stop talking/wasting time while transitioning between class activities but she actually spends more time telling us to stop talking than us actually talking so shes actually the one wasting all our fucking time

i hate how my English teacher is so hypocritical to her own statements
she literally tells us to stop talking/wasting time while transitioning between class activities but she actually spends more time telling us to stop talking than us actually talking so shes actually the one wasting all our fucking time
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#558
-5 Frags +

DavidParody's video thumbnails hurt my brain >__<
theyre way too enthusiastic!!!!!! :DDDDDDD :OO >:DD
see?

DavidParody's video thumbnails hurt my brain >__<
theyre way too enthusiastic!!!!!! [b]:DDDDDDD :OO >:DD[/b]
see?
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#559
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http://puu.sh/sBVuw/3f55591d0b.jpg
http://puu.sh/sBVwi/0955b485bb.jpg
http://puu.sh/sBVzJ/83b40fe67f.jpg

http://puu.sh/sBVuw/3f55591d0b.jpg
http://puu.sh/sBVwi/0955b485bb.jpg
http://puu.sh/sBVzJ/83b40fe67f.jpg
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#560
0 Frags +

These ads on tf.tv.
https://gyazo.com/2ce6f1c5750cb5f7145f788f2cd995b7

I hate tf2 but it's the only thing keeping me sane :)

The only people I talk to much are people in War's chat :)

These ads on tf.tv.
https://gyazo.com/2ce6f1c5750cb5f7145f788f2cd995b7

I hate tf2 but it's the only thing keeping me sane :)

The only people I talk to much are people in War's chat :)
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#561
4 Frags +
CoYoTeThe only people I talk to much are people in War's chat :)

sad life

[quote=CoYoTe]The only people I talk to much are people in War's chat :)[/quote]

sad life
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#562
1 Frags +

overwatch goty smh

overwatch goty smh
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#563
-1 Frags +
XenThePybroCoYoTeThe only people I talk to much are people in War's chat :)
sad life

Ik :)

[quote=XenThePybro][quote=CoYoTe]The only people I talk to much are people in War's chat :)[/quote]

sad life[/quote]

Ik :)
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#564
3 Frags +

my best friends live in:
canada
taiwan as an exchange student

i live in the us.

my best friends live in:
canada
taiwan as an exchange student

i live in the us.
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#565
-1 Frags +

:)

:)
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#566
-1 Frags +

:)

:)
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#567
5 Frags +

get new friends noob

get new friends noob
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#568
3 Frags +
wtzget new friends noob

thanks for the advice and the downfraggs :)

[quote=wtz]get new friends noob[/quote]
thanks for the advice and the downfraggs :)
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#569
6 Frags +

add me
i will give step by step tutorial specialised for you
actually just give me your accounts i will do all the talking for you

add me
i will give step by step tutorial specialised for you
actually just give me your accounts i will do all the talking for you
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#570
4 Frags +
KonceptOne of my roommates is such a fucking scumbag and I'm honestly getting sick of him thinking he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He invites random guys over to play video games but often don't leave until it's about 2 in the morning. It's also a common thing for them to end up smoking the devil's lettuce and yell and make a lot of racket. I don't mind it that much but when I'm trying to study or get some shut eye, it really gets on my nerves.

My room also backs up to the living room where they usually camp out so I don't have much else of an option for a place to get away from a lot of it. I also don't have any nearby friends that I can just get away to so I can get some peace and quiet, so all of this is incredibly frustrating for me. I may be extra critical of this stuff because I have had a headache the entire day but this alongside waking up to what can only be described as a reeking smell of weed and/or cigs for a decent bit most of the semester has gotten on my nerves and I'm sick and tired of it.

I really want to include a picture of the dog that we got this semester because honestly he keeps me spirits high sometimes when they're down, but I don't have one. I might edit this later if I can get a picture of him

Why not just go for a walk by yourself or with your dog if you just want peace and quiet?

[quote=Koncept]One of my roommates is such a fucking scumbag and I'm honestly getting sick of him thinking he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He invites random guys over to play video games but often don't leave until it's about 2 in the morning. It's also a common thing for them to end up smoking the devil's lettuce and yell and make a lot of racket. I don't mind it that much but when I'm trying to study or get some shut eye, it really gets on my nerves.

My room also backs up to the living room where they usually camp out so I don't have much else of an option for a place to get away from a lot of it. I also don't have any nearby friends that I can just get away to so I can get some peace and quiet, so all of this is incredibly frustrating for me. I may be extra critical of this stuff because I have had a headache the entire day but this alongside waking up to what can only be described as a reeking smell of weed and/or cigs for a decent bit most of the semester has gotten on my nerves and I'm sick and tired of it.

I really want to include a picture of the dog that we got this semester because honestly he keeps me spirits high sometimes when they're down, but I don't have one. I might edit this later if I can get a picture of him[/quote]

Why not just go for a walk by yourself or with your dog if you just want peace and quiet?
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