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ESEA's possible demise?
811
#811
18 Frags +

Let's play a drinking game.

Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.

Seriously, the amount is staggering. Not trying to shit on anyone (personally I think ESEA is the better option for competitive NA TF2 regardless) but pay your fucking league fees you nerds. It's almost like these threads have been up for weeks and that the worst that can happen is you getting your money back. It's actually disgusting how valiantly some people will post about saving their beloved league while still failing to get paid up in time with weeks of notice in advance.

Pay up.

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No Exceptions
Let's play a drinking game.

Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.

Seriously, the amount is staggering. Not trying to shit on anyone (personally I think ESEA is the better option for competitive NA TF2 regardless) but pay your fucking league fees you nerds. It's almost like these threads have been up for weeks and that the worst that can happen is you getting your money back. It's actually disgusting how valiantly some people will post about saving their beloved league while still failing to get paid up in time with weeks of notice in advance.

Pay up.

[spoiler]No Exceptions[/spoiler]
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#812
7 Frags +
ESEA-ShooterESEA really wants to have 4 divisions, it's the best format, most balanced as well. Teams worked really hard to have an established format of different skills, let's try to make it happen!

I'm honestly baffled.

    We agreed that ESEA can't support the size of the TF2 division the way it is.
    ESEA reps have - on multiple occasions - told us that TF2 will be dropped if we can't reach a critical mass.
    Myself and others presented alternatives that allow us to decrease the cost to maintain TF2 in such an event that it cannot reach its critical mass - such as [b]right now[/b]
    At which point you counter that you're happy with the way things are now.

This isn't the first time this strange lack of compromise has happened.
When I suggested that Killing decrease the prize pot, he responded the same way:

KillingPsychotropicBut that's ridiculous.
Esea is ultimately a business that provides a product for sale. You need to at least operate at break even to survive. You're allowed to make money.

Do you mean to tell me that tf2 is eseas video game love, and that they support it because the owners enjoy it? I mean that would be possible but why is dropping the game even an option here? Just shrink the prize pot, Damn. Problem solved

Why would we shrink the prize pot? Let's keep it the same and keep growing till the numbers support it.

Yes. People agree with you. 4 Divisions is better. A big prize pot is better. But it's not working right this minute. Why not consider a middle alternative, halfway between giant league and no league?

[quote=ESEA-Shooter]ESEA really wants to have 4 divisions, it's the best format, most balanced as well. Teams worked really hard to have an established format of different skills, let's try to make it happen![/quote]

I'm honestly baffled.


[list]We agreed that ESEA can't support the size of the TF2 division the way it is.
[/list]
[list]ESEA reps have - on multiple occasions - told us that TF2 will be dropped if we can't reach a critical mass.
[/list]
[list]Myself and others presented alternatives that allow us to decrease the cost to maintain TF2 in such an event that it cannot reach its critical mass - such as [b]right now[/b][/list]
[list]At which point you counter that you're happy with the way things are now.
[/list]



This isn't the first time this strange lack of compromise has happened.
When I suggested that Killing decrease the prize pot, he responded the same way:

[quote=Killing][quote=Psychotropic]
But that's ridiculous.
Esea is ultimately a business that provides a product for sale. You need to at least operate at break even to survive. You're allowed to make money.

Do you mean to tell me that tf2 is eseas video game love, and that they support it because the owners enjoy it? I mean that would be possible but why is dropping the game even an option here? [b]Just shrink the prize pot, Damn. Problem solved[/b][/quote]

Why would we shrink the prize pot? Let's keep it the same and keep growing till the numbers support it.[/quote]

Yes. People agree with you. 4 Divisions is better. A big prize pot is better. But it's not working right this minute. Why not consider a middle alternative, halfway between giant league and no league?
813
#813
ESEA
10 Frags +
PsychotropicESEA-ShooterESEA really wants to have 4 divisions, it's the best format, most balanced as well. Teams worked really hard to have an established format of different skills, let's try to make it happen!
I'm honestly baffled.
    We agreed that ESEA can't support the size of the TF2 division the way it is.
    ESEA reps have - on multiple occasions - told us that TF2 will be dropped if we can't reach a critical mass.
    Myself and others presented alternatives that allow us to decrease the cost to maintain TF2 in such an event that it cannot reach its critical mass - such as [b]right now[/b]
    At which point you counter that you're happy with the way things are now.

This isn't the first time this strange lack of compromise has happened.
When I suggested that Killing decrease the prize pot, he responded the same way:
KillingPsychotropicBut that's ridiculous.
Esea is ultimately a business that provides a product for sale. You need to at least operate at break even to survive. You're allowed to make money.

Do you mean to tell me that tf2 is eseas video game love, and that they support it because the owners enjoy it? I mean that would be possible but why is dropping the game even an option here? Just shrink the prize pot, Damn. Problem solved

Why would we shrink the prize pot? Let's keep it the same and keep growing till the numbers support it.

Yes. People agree with you. 4 Divisions is better. A big prize pot is better. But it's not working right this minute. Why not consider a middle alternative, halfway between giant league and no league?

ESEA is looking into having MAYBE 3 divisions only, but I think 2 is a really far step back :X

[quote=Psychotropic][quote=ESEA-Shooter]ESEA really wants to have 4 divisions, it's the best format, most balanced as well. Teams worked really hard to have an established format of different skills, let's try to make it happen![/quote]

I'm honestly baffled.


[list]We agreed that ESEA can't support the size of the TF2 division the way it is.
[/list]
[list]ESEA reps have - on multiple occasions - told us that TF2 will be dropped if we can't reach a critical mass.
[/list]
[list]Myself and others presented alternatives that allow us to decrease the cost to maintain TF2 in such an event that it cannot reach its critical mass - such as [b]right now[/b][/list]
[list]At which point you counter that you're happy with the way things are now.
[/list]



This isn't the first time this strange lack of compromise has happened.
When I suggested that Killing decrease the prize pot, he responded the same way:

[quote=Killing][quote=Psychotropic]
But that's ridiculous.
Esea is ultimately a business that provides a product for sale. You need to at least operate at break even to survive. You're allowed to make money.

Do you mean to tell me that tf2 is eseas video game love, and that they support it because the owners enjoy it? I mean that would be possible but why is dropping the game even an option here? [b]Just shrink the prize pot, Damn. Problem solved[/b][/quote]

Why would we shrink the prize pot? Let's keep it the same and keep growing till the numbers support it.[/quote]

Yes. People agree with you. 4 Divisions is better. A big prize pot is better. But it's not working right this minute. Why not consider a middle alternative, halfway between giant league and no league?[/quote]

ESEA is looking into having MAYBE 3 divisions only, but I think 2 is a really far step back :X
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#814
7 Frags +
ESEA-ShooterPsychotropicSNIP
ESEA is looking into having MAYBE 3 divisions only, but I think 2 is a really far step back :X

I 100% agree with you. 2 is a pretty big step back, and should be avoided if at all possible.

But 0 is an even bigger step back. And should be avoided at all costs

[quote=ESEA-Shooter][quote=Psychotropic]SNIP[/quote]

ESEA is looking into having MAYBE 3 divisions only, but I think 2 is a really far step back :X[/quote]

I 100% agree with you. 2 is a pretty big step back, and should be avoided if at all possible.

But 0 is an even bigger step back. And should be avoided [i]at all costs[/i]
815
#815
-13 Frags +
StratovariusLet's play a drinking game.

Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.

Seriously, the amount is staggering. Not trying to shit on anyone (personally I think ESEA is the better option for competitive NA TF2 regardless) but pay your fucking league fees you nerds. It's almost like these threads have been up for weeks and that the worst that can happen is you getting your money back. It's actually disgusting how valiantly some people will post about saving their beloved league while still failing to get paid up in time with weeks of notice in advance.

Pay up.
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No Exceptions

I am gonna give you alcohol poisoning. #earlyfirstshiftjobontheeastcoast

[quote=Stratovarius]Let's play a drinking game.

Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.

Seriously, the amount is staggering. Not trying to shit on anyone (personally I think ESEA is the better option for competitive NA TF2 regardless) but pay your fucking league fees you nerds. It's almost like these threads have been up for weeks and that the worst that can happen is you getting your money back. It's actually disgusting how valiantly some people will post about saving their beloved league while still failing to get paid up in time with weeks of notice in advance.

Pay up.

[spoiler]No Exceptions[/spoiler][/quote]
I am gonna give you alcohol poisoning. #earlyfirstshiftjobontheeastcoast
816
#816
3 Frags +

ploxo what are you even TALKING about

ploxo what are you even TALKING about
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#817
3 Frags +

Shooter, it seems just your appearance has motivate more people and teams to pay up. Should come around more often. With that said, come ready your team up and lets get the season started already!

Shooter, it seems just your appearance has motivate more people and teams to pay up. Should come around more often. With that said, come ready your team up and lets get the season started already!
818
#818
ESEA
6 Frags +
TwinweaponsShooter, it seems just your appearance has motivate more people and teams to pay up. Should come around more often. With that said, come ready your team up and lets get the season started already!

Noted. Anything I can do to help bring more teams :)

[quote=Twinweapons]Shooter, it seems just your appearance has motivate more people and teams to pay up. Should come around more often. With that said, come ready your team up and lets get the season started already![/quote]

Noted. Anything I can do to help bring more teams :)
819
#819
5 Frags +
TwinweaponsShooter, it seems just your appearance has motivate more people and teams to pay up. Should come around more often. With that said, come ready your team up and lets get the season started already!

I think this is because many people felt like ESEA doesn't care about TF2, besides Killing. It really helps to have a big representative in ESEA to step forward and actually explain what we are looking at from ESEA's standpoint.

that being said, I think ESEA should stay under all costs.

[quote=Twinweapons]Shooter, it seems just your appearance has motivate more people and teams to pay up. Should come around more often. With that said, come ready your team up and lets get the season started already![/quote]
I think this is because many people felt like ESEA doesn't care about TF2, besides Killing. It really helps to have a big representative in ESEA to step forward and actually explain what we are looking at from ESEA's standpoint.

that being said, I think ESEA should stay under all costs.
820
#820
4 Frags +

please extend, my main team will pay up in 3 days 100%! we cannot get our 6th paid by tonight!!

please extend, my main team will pay up in 3 days 100%! we cannot get our 6th paid by tonight!!
821
#821
ESEA
5 Frags +
showstopperplease extend, my main team will pay up in 3 days 100%! we cannot get our 6th paid by tonight!!

Have your 5 others paid tonight then, usually we give more time for the last person to complete a team :)

[quote=showstopper]please extend, my main team will pay up in 3 days 100%! we cannot get our 6th paid by tonight!![/quote]
Have your 5 others paid tonight then, usually we give more time for the last person to complete a team :)
822
#822
2 Frags +
BubbaI think this is because many people felt like ESEA doesn't care about TF2, besides Killing. It really helps to have a big representative in ESEA to step forward and actually explain what we are looking at from ESEA's standpoint.

ya cause they took until 12 hours before closing time to decide this was a problem. unless this is a farce and they were planning more extension bullshit all along

[quote=Bubba]I think this is because many people felt like ESEA doesn't care about TF2, besides Killing. It really helps to have a big representative in ESEA to step forward and actually explain what we are looking at from ESEA's standpoint.[/quote]
ya cause they took until 12 hours before closing time to decide this was a problem. unless this is a farce and they were planning more extension bullshit all along
823
#823
4 Frags +
ESEA-Shootershowstopperplease extend, my main team will pay up in 3 days 100%! we cannot get our 6th paid by tonight!!Have your 5 others paid tonight then, usually we give more time for the last person to complete a team :)

okay thanks dude

[quote=ESEA-Shooter][quote=showstopper]please extend, my main team will pay up in 3 days 100%! we cannot get our 6th paid by tonight!![/quote]
Have your 5 others paid tonight then, usually we give more time for the last person to complete a team :)[/quote]

okay thanks dude
824
#824
4 Frags +
mebya cause they took until 12 hours before closing time to decide this was a problem. unless this is a farce and they were planning more extension bullshit all along

we get it you hate esea go hop in mumble with brad and just rage with one another

[quote=meb]
ya cause they took until 12 hours before closing time to decide this was a problem. unless this is a farce and they were planning more extension bullshit all along[/quote]

we get it you hate esea go hop in mumble with brad and just rage with one another
825
#825
-5 Frags +

yo meb

mebBubbaI think this is because many people felt like ESEA doesn't care about TF2, besides Killing. It really helps to have a big representative in ESEA to step forward and actually explain what we are looking at from ESEA's standpoint.ya cause they took until 12 hours before closing time to decide this was a problem. unless this is a farce and they were planning more extension bullshit all along

hush baldy

yo meb[quote=meb][quote=Bubba]I think this is because many people felt like ESEA doesn't care about TF2, besides Killing. It really helps to have a big representative in ESEA to step forward and actually explain what we are looking at from ESEA's standpoint.[/quote]
ya cause they took until 12 hours before closing time to decide this was a problem. unless this is a farce and they were planning more extension bullshit all along[/quote]

hush baldy
826
#826
2 Frags +
StratovariusTake a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.

Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.

[quote=Stratovarius]
Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.[/quote]

Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.
827
#827
0 Frags +
shrtStratovariusTake a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.
Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.

that money isnt gunna come for like a month or something...probs gunna have to front those guys the money.

[quote=shrt][quote=Stratovarius]
Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.[/quote]

Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.[/quote]

that money isnt gunna come for like a month or something...probs gunna have to front those guys the money.
828
#828
ESEA
9 Frags +
DeadboltshrtStratovariusTake a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.
Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.

that money isnt gunna come for like a month or something...probs gunna have to front those guys the money.

Actually, first round of checks are coming out tomorrow :)

[quote=Deadbolt][quote=shrt][quote=Stratovarius]
Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.[/quote]

Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.[/quote]

that money isnt gunna come for like a month or something...probs gunna have to front those guys the money.[/quote]
Actually, first round of checks are coming out tomorrow :)
829
#829
8 Frags +

So many big paragraphs and intricate details from people so far, Here's how you save ESEA TF2 the spark notes version:

1. Get the season started, no matter what.
2. Keep people happy during the season (your new server team should do wonders with this).
3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."
4. More people come back next season, all is well in the universe.

So many big paragraphs and intricate details from people so far, Here's how you save ESEA TF2 the spark notes version:

1. Get the season started, no matter what.
2. Keep people happy during the season (your new server team should do wonders with this).
3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."
4. More people come back next season, all is well in the universe.
830
#830
0 Frags +
ESEA-ShooterDeadboltshrtStratovariusTake a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.
Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.

that money isnt gunna come for like a month or something...probs gunna have to front those guys the money.
Actually, first round of checks are coming out tomorrow :)

just wanna point out cevo still hasnt sent anybody a dime from last season

[quote=ESEA-Shooter][quote=Deadbolt][quote=shrt][quote=Stratovarius]
Take a shot every time you read a pro-ESEA post from a player who has a team playing in ESEA this season but hasn't paid his/her league fees yet.[/quote]

Just like to say we plan to pay with s15 prize winnings, but those emails didn't come till like 8 days ago. Kinda need it for our 3 under-aged minority children.[/quote]

that money isnt gunna come for like a month or something...probs gunna have to front those guys the money.[/quote]
Actually, first round of checks are coming out tomorrow :)[/quote]


just wanna point out cevo still hasnt sent anybody a dime from last season
831
#831
-12 Frags +
Harbinger3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."

ESEA is on life support, and will have a comparatively smaller pool of people to assist with support. Because of this no one will be fooled into thinking they all of a sudden have their shit together. No rational person at least.

[quote=Harbinger]3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."[/quote]

ESEA is on life support, and will have a comparatively smaller pool of people to assist with support. Because of this no one will be fooled into thinking they all of a sudden have their shit together. No rational person at least.
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#832
8 Frags +
ShwanHarbinger3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."
ESEA is on life support, and will have a comparatively smaller pool of people to assist with support. Because of this no one will be fooled into thinking they all of a sudden have their shit together. No rational person at least.

Kind of like no rational person would think moving to CEVO and leaving ESEA to die is the right choice?

[quote=Shwan][quote=Harbinger]3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."[/quote]

ESEA is on life support, and will have a comparatively smaller pool of people to assist with support. Because of this no one will be fooled into thinking they all of a sudden have their shit together. No rational person at least.[/quote]
Kind of like no rational person would think moving to CEVO and leaving ESEA to die is the right choice?
833
#833
2 Frags +
ESEA TF2 (a small ESEA division) is on life support, but ESEA is still quite alive with plenty of tech people, and Killing announced that a new TF2 server team was hired.

Fixed

[quote]ESEA TF2 (a small ESEA division) is on life support, but ESEA is still quite alive with plenty of tech people, and Killing announced that a new TF2 server team was hired.[/quote]

Fixed
834
#834
-1 Frags +
zigzterShwanHarbinger3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."
ESEA is on life support, and will have a comparatively smaller pool of people to assist with support. Because of this no one will be fooled into thinking they all of a sudden have their shit together. No rational person at least.
Kind of like no rational person would think moving to CEVO and leaving ESEA to die is the right choice?

some people don't want to give an abusive company their money, and want differing things from a league than the tftv elite circle jerk. Those irrational pleabs.

[quote=zigzter][quote=Shwan][quote=Harbinger]3. People will say, "Hey, that was much better than previous seasons, zomfg ESEA cares."[/quote]

ESEA is on life support, and will have a comparatively smaller pool of people to assist with support. Because of this no one will be fooled into thinking they all of a sudden have their shit together. No rational person at least.[/quote]
Kind of like no rational person would think moving to CEVO and leaving ESEA to die is the right choice?[/quote]

some people don't want to give an abusive company their money, and want differing things from a league than the tftv elite circle jerk. Those irrational pleabs.
835
#835
-4 Frags +

Registration is officially over. An extension (if there is one) should be coming by the end of the day.

Hopefully we get that extension.

Registration is officially over. An extension (if there is one) should be coming by the end of the day.

Hopefully we get that extension.
836
#836
-6 Frags +
zigzterKind of like no rational person would think moving to CEVO and leaving ESEA to die is the right choice?

ESEA will be just fine without TF2.

[quote=zigzter]
Kind of like no rational person would think moving to CEVO and leaving ESEA to die is the right choice?[/quote]

ESEA will be just fine without TF2.
837
#837
ESEA
10 Frags +
hookyRegistration is officially over. An extension (if there is one) should be coming by the end of the day.

Hopefully we get that extension.

It closes in ~49 minutes!

[quote=hooky]Registration is officially over. An extension (if there is one) should be coming by the end of the day.

Hopefully we get that extension.[/quote]

It closes in ~49 minutes!
838
#838
-3 Frags +

could esea just do invite and have a $4000 or whatever prize pool made up from the $60 league fees + crowdfunding?

could esea just do invite and have a $4000 or whatever prize pool made up from the $60 league fees + crowdfunding?
839
#839
0 Frags +
ESEA-ShooterhookyRegistration is officially over. An extension (if there is one) should be coming by the end of the day.

Hopefully we get that extension.

It closes in ~49 minutes!

I hate time zones.

[quote=ESEA-Shooter][quote=hooky]Registration is officially over. An extension (if there is one) should be coming by the end of the day.

Hopefully we get that extension.[/quote]

It closes in ~49 minutes![/quote]
I hate time zones.
840
#840
11 Frags +

rip

rip
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