HereThereBeTygersIn Mangachu's stream last night, Clockwork said that Pure felt ESEA didn't respect tf2 players after the client fiasco, and so he felt they didn't deserve his time/money, and that's why he left. Clockwork also said that they most likely aren't going to play this season because Pure was too much of a driving force behind their team.
Pure definitely has his shit together, really good decision if this is true. I hope more top players start pressuring ESEA so they dont think they can get away with anything
[quote=HereThereBeTygers]In Mangachu's stream last night, Clockwork said that Pure felt ESEA didn't respect tf2 players after the client fiasco, and so he felt they didn't deserve his time/money, and that's why he left. Clockwork also said that they most likely aren't going to play this season because Pure was too much of a driving force behind their team.[/quote]
Pure definitely has his shit together, really good decision if this is true. I hope more top players start pressuring ESEA so they dont think they can get away with anything
HereThereBeTygersIn Mangachu's stream last night, Clockwork said that Pure felt ESEA didn't respect tf2 players after the client fiasco, and so he felt they didn't deserve his time/money, and that's why he left. Clockwork also said that they most likely aren't going to play this season because Pure was too much of a driving force behind their team.
time to go win ugc plat
[quote=HereThereBeTygers]In Mangachu's stream last night, Clockwork said that Pure felt ESEA didn't respect tf2 players after the client fiasco, and so he felt they didn't deserve his time/money, and that's why he left. Clockwork also said that they most likely aren't going to play this season because Pure was too much of a driving force behind their team.[/quote]
time to go win ugc plat
Rambadilianthis may be irrelevant but in mangachu's stream yesterday someone said brad got fined by killing for "throwing a match." can they actually do that?
yes. It's unsportsmanlike conduct.
[quote=Rambadilian]this may be irrelevant but in mangachu's stream yesterday someone said brad got fined by killing for "throwing a match." can they actually do that?[/quote]
yes. It's unsportsmanlike conduct.
KanecoHereThereBeTygersIn Mangachu's stream last night, Clockwork said that Pure felt ESEA didn't respect tf2 players after the client fiasco, and so he felt they didn't deserve his time/money, and that's why he left. Clockwork also said that they most likely aren't going to play this season because Pure was too much of a driving force behind their team.
Pure definitely has his shit together, really good decision if this is true. I hope more top players start pressuring ESEA so they dont think they can get away with anything
I agree. While I'm sad to see that pure won't be in this season, it's a sad truth that ESEA is fucking TF2 in the ass.
[quote=Kaneco][quote=HereThereBeTygers]In Mangachu's stream last night, Clockwork said that Pure felt ESEA didn't respect tf2 players after the client fiasco, and so he felt they didn't deserve his time/money, and that's why he left. Clockwork also said that they most likely aren't going to play this season because Pure was too much of a driving force behind their team.[/quote]
Pure definitely has his shit together, really good decision if this is true. I hope more top players start pressuring ESEA so they dont think they can get away with anything[/quote]
I agree. While I'm sad to see that pure won't be in this season, it's a sad truth that ESEA is fucking TF2 in the ass.
I'm happy to see people like PYYYOUR standing up for some sort of principle and not playing. However, I'm sad to see talented teams dropping from the league without going anywhere else. If Watch This moved to CEVO and dropped ESEA I think it would be the kind of high profile migration we NEED to see... but for them to just drop, it feels more like players abandoning the game :(
I'm happy to see people like PYYYOUR standing up for some sort of principle and not playing. However, I'm sad to see talented teams dropping from the league without going anywhere else. If Watch This moved to CEVO and dropped ESEA I think it would be the kind of high profile migration we NEED to see... but for them to just drop, it feels more like players abandoning the game :(
As far as 9 team invite goes, it will remain effectively 9 team for the remaining 8. Basically everyone gets 2 free wins and still plays every other remaining team twice.
Really sad to see the team die. Was excited to see milo and brad destroy together.
RIP You will be missed
As far as 9 team invite goes, it will remain effectively 9 team for the remaining 8. Basically everyone gets 2 free wins and still plays every other remaining team twice.
Really sad to see the team die. Was excited to see milo and brad destroy together.
RIP You will be missed
strongsuitI'm happy to see people like PYYYOUR standing up for some sort of principle and not playing. However, I'm sad to see talented teams dropping from the league without going anywhere else. If Watch This moved to CEVO and dropped ESEA I think it would be the kind of high profile migration we NEED to see... but for them to just drop, it feels more like players abandoning the game :(
He tried to make a move: http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/12850-cevo-tf2-s3-registration-opens-w-600-in-prizes
[quote=strongsuit]I'm happy to see people like PYYYOUR standing up for some sort of principle and not playing. However, I'm sad to see talented teams dropping from the league without going anywhere else. If Watch This moved to CEVO and dropped ESEA I think it would be the kind of high profile migration we NEED to see... but for them to just drop, it feels more like players abandoning the game :([/quote]
He tried to make a move: http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/12850-cevo-tf2-s3-registration-opens-w-600-in-prizes
If it's true that the only reason Watch This is dropping out is because of stupidity in esea... could someone (TF.TV, or elsewhere) host a NA Top3 Round Robin? No league affiliation or anything, just Watch This, iT, and mix^ duking it out. I was really looking forward to these matchups, and I'm pretty pissed that ESEA's stupidity has caused some of these potentially really good games to never happen.
I would gladly donate a couple bucks or a few keys into a prize pot for something like this.
If it's true that the only reason Watch This is dropping out is because of stupidity in esea... could someone (TF.TV, or elsewhere) host a NA Top3 Round Robin? No league affiliation or anything, just Watch This, iT, and mix^ duking it out. I was really looking forward to these matchups, and I'm pretty pissed that ESEA's stupidity has caused some of these potentially really good games to never happen.
I would gladly donate a couple bucks or a few keys into a prize pot for something like this.
just watch plat/rr/pure stream scrims it happens once/twice a week at least
just watch plat/rr/[s]pure[/s] stream scrims it happens once/twice a week at least
i find it funny the same people who complain about esea being a terrible league also complain when high-level players decide not to play it
i find it funny the same people who complain about esea being a terrible league also complain when high-level players decide not to play it
dummyIt came down to a team vote
As far as I know, the team vote hes referring to was not regarding whether or not to cut brad, but more-so a team vote whether they should continue on without him, and they have apparently decided not to.
Its been brought up a lot, but ESEA has a rule that says they can basically disregard the other rules if its in the best interest of fairness and sportsmanship (I think this mostly applies to invite). There have been several situations in the past where the rule has been applied to reschedules, so why not now? I see it as a complicated situation, so always treating the rules as black and white is pretty silly. The watch this guys did make some mistakes (paying with eChecks hours before their matches, brad leaving the roster... probably the worst decisions you could make) so I think ESEA is going to hold that over their heads and pretend that they are completely innocent here. Bottom line though, If ESEA cared about the survival of the teams and sustaining competition in their league they should be willing to make exceptions. Say every single invite team was in favor of allowing a match to be rescheduled, would the admins allow it to happen?
Personally I don't want to see teams keep dying. They may be my competition but I care more about there being good teams. Simply put, close, unpredictable matches and seasons are what make the league interesting. I was very worried with the numbers of returning invite players this season and after this, invite could turn into joke. At the start of the season I tried to convince soLace not to die, and now I have spent time talking to some of the players involved in this to keep their fucking teams together. I wish the admins could at least pretend to show that they care about the survival of the teams.
[quote=dummy]It came down to a team vote[/quote]
As far as I know, the team vote hes referring to was not regarding whether or not to cut brad, but more-so a team vote whether they should continue on without him, and they have apparently decided not to.
Its been brought up a lot, but ESEA has a rule that says they can basically disregard the other rules if its in the best interest of fairness and sportsmanship (I think this mostly applies to invite). There have been several situations in the past where the rule has been applied to reschedules, so why not now? I see it as a complicated situation, so always treating the rules as black and white is pretty silly. The watch this guys did make some mistakes (paying with eChecks hours before their matches, brad leaving the roster... probably the worst decisions you could make) so I think ESEA is going to hold that over their heads and pretend that they are completely innocent here. Bottom line though, If ESEA cared about the survival of the teams and sustaining competition in their league they should be willing to make exceptions. Say every single invite team was in favor of allowing a match to be rescheduled, would the admins allow it to happen?
Personally I don't want to see teams keep dying. They may be my competition but I care more about there being good teams. Simply put, close, unpredictable matches and seasons are what make the league interesting. I was very worried with the numbers of returning invite players this season and after this, invite could turn into joke. At the start of the season I tried to convince soLace not to die, and now I have spent time talking to some of the players involved in this to keep their fucking teams together. I wish the admins could at least pretend to show that they care about the survival of the teams.
To add to anything b4nny said, it came down to principle rather than the sheer numbers. Having a loss was barely the issue, considering it would not be surprising to see us with a loss during the season regardless of this forfeit. It was more the lack of leniency that the admins demonstrated. We did take a while to get paid up, but it wasn't because of laziness. Blaze actually did not have the money to pay, nor did any of us really have anything to offer him. When you don't have a sponsor and you don't have a stable job, sometimes it's hard to throw $60 at something when you have to juggle other things in your life. What makes matters worse is that a simple cancellation of the e-checks (which we asked the admins days in advance for) was unable to be done by anybody in the company until Torbull cancelled them the day Pure left the roster (lol).
I was very surprised we did not get a reschedule. I've played matches on x map during week y several times and I thought it was relatively commonplace. In fact, when justin emailed Torbull asking for a reschedule, he stated it was up to the admins whether or not they would let us play (Killing/Kalkin). Considering both are/were TF2 players, you would think it would be in their best interest to support competition within the game, but apparently not. Verbatim: "All league decisions are made by league admins (CC
To add to anything b4nny said, it came down to principle rather than the sheer numbers. Having a loss was barely the issue, considering it would not be surprising to see us with a loss during the season regardless of this forfeit. It was more the lack of leniency that the admins demonstrated. We did take a while to get paid up, but it wasn't because of laziness. Blaze actually did not have the money to pay, nor did any of us really have anything to offer him. When you don't have a sponsor and you don't have a stable job, sometimes it's hard to throw $60 at something when you have to juggle other things in your life. What makes matters worse is that a simple cancellation of the e-checks (which we asked the admins days in advance for) was unable to be done by anybody in the company until Torbull cancelled them the day Pure left the roster (lol).
I was very surprised we did not get a reschedule. I've played matches on x map during week y several times and I thought it was relatively commonplace. In fact, when justin emailed Torbull asking for a reschedule, he stated it was up to the admins whether or not they would let us play (Killing/Kalkin). Considering both are/were TF2 players, you would think it would be in their best interest to support competition within the game, but apparently not. Verbatim: "All league decisions are made by league admins (CC
ESEA's customer support has been extremely lack-luster ever since the Bitcoin incident (and definitely before that). Right now they appear to be in shambles internally with the loss of their former main client coder. Customer support should be something that ESEA has to have if they want to keep themselves afloat, and they should have already been improving their customer support because of the bitcoin stuff, but it's only gotten worse.
In the EU, ETF2L has been the go to league for many seasons, which is a free to enter league. ESEA has now tried to come in to push a league system that has failed time and time again, when many players simply don't want to pay for a league. And the first impression they got was a client that was down for three days, and piss-poor responses from the coders who were seemingly content with jacking off and doing nothing while their paying customers became increasingly frustrated. First impressions matter, especially when you're trying to get paying customers to come into your new system. What the EU players saw was perhaps the most unorganized three days possible. I don't think many euro's are going to come back after seeing that.
As for alternatives to ESEA, CEVO and UGC are right now our two best options (yet not many people are supporting CEVO for some unknown reason). Both of them do not have the money and the capability to host LAN events like ESEA does, or the other features that ESEA currently has going for them. Until either alternative starts to become more viable than ESEA, we don't really have much of a choice
ESEA's customer support has been extremely lack-luster ever since the Bitcoin incident (and definitely before that). Right now they appear to be in shambles internally with the loss of their former main client coder. Customer support should be something that ESEA has to have if they want to keep themselves afloat, and they should have already been improving their customer support because of the bitcoin stuff, but it's only gotten worse.
In the EU, ETF2L has been the go to league for many seasons, which is a free to enter league. ESEA has now tried to come in to push a league system that has failed time and time again, when many players simply don't want to pay for a league. And the first impression they got was a client that was down for three days, and piss-poor responses from the coders who were seemingly content with jacking off and doing nothing while their paying customers became increasingly frustrated. First impressions matter, especially when you're trying to get paying customers to come into your new system. What the EU players saw was perhaps the most unorganized three days possible. I don't think many euro's are going to come back after seeing that.
As for alternatives to ESEA, CEVO and UGC are right now our two best options (yet not many people are supporting CEVO for some unknown reason). Both of them do not have the money and the capability to host LAN events like ESEA does, or the other features that ESEA currently has going for them. Until either alternative starts to become more viable than ESEA, we don't really have much of a choice
FogAs for alternatives to ESEA, CEVO and UGC are right now our two best options (yet not many people are supporting CEVO for some unknown reason). Both of them do not have the money and the capability to host LAN events like ESEA does, or the other features that ESEA currently has going for them. Until either alternative starts to become more viable than ESEA, we don't really have much of a choice
The feeling I get from that is "well they can't 100% replace what we have with ESEA now so there's no point". That may not the exact thing people are thinking, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
The question I have at the moment is, what are the most important things to have at the top of the NA TF2 scene? And can we do without those things for one or two seasons if it means we can get to something better after that?
[quote=Fog]
As for alternatives to ESEA, CEVO and UGC are right now our two best options [b](yet not many people are supporting CEVO for some unknown reason)[/b]. Both of them do not have the money and the capability to host LAN events like ESEA does, or the other features that ESEA currently has going for them. Until either alternative starts to become more viable than ESEA, we don't really have much of a choice[/quote]
The feeling I get from that is "well they can't 100% replace what we have with ESEA now so there's no point". That may not the exact thing people are thinking, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
The question I have at the moment is, what are the most important things to have at the top of the NA TF2 scene? And can we do without those things for one or two seasons if it means we can get to something better after that?
Why don't we look at some of these big regional LANs to piggy back off of, just like insomnia lans? Surely there must be one that would be willing to host top level TF2. Hey, possibly the finals of a league aren't actually that big event, but a self contained LAN tournament twice or three times a year.
Why don't we look at some of these big regional LANs to piggy back off of, just like insomnia lans? Surely there must be one that would be willing to host top level TF2. Hey, possibly the finals of a league aren't actually that big event, but a self contained LAN tournament twice or three times a year.
On one hand I'm dissapointed that some of my favorite players to watch aren't playing this season, or potentially ever again. On the other hand I'm happy someone stood up to esea, and completely respect the decisions of Pure and Watch This. The whole situation is really shitty, and I hope that esea will take notice and finally give competitive tf2 the time of day it deserves.
On one hand I'm dissapointed that some of my favorite players to watch aren't playing this season, or potentially ever again. On the other hand I'm happy someone stood up to esea, and completely respect the decisions of Pure and Watch This. The whole situation is really shitty, and I hope that esea will take notice and finally give competitive tf2 the time of day it deserves.
I'm just gonna leave this here
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2112716
I'm sure this game has been moved at least 3 times
I'm just gonna leave this here
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2112716
I'm sure this game has been moved at least 3 times
I'll help you out alfa
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3088404
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3085087
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3085091
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2918743
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=2931788 (the funniest one)
DrPloxoSaberguess we'll never watch this
rip
ploxo to keep plaguing stream chats
>implying i didn't know it was a safe bet
i hope you die
[quote=DrPloxo][quote=Saber]guess we'll never watch this
rip
ploxo to keep plaguing stream chats[/quote]
[color=green]>implying i didn't know it was a safe bet[/color][/quote]
i hope you die
ghettoDrPloxoSaberguess we'll never watch this
rip
ploxo to keep plaguing stream chats
>implying i didn't know it was a safe bet
i hope you die
have sex, nerd.
[quote=ghetto][quote=DrPloxo][quote=Saber]guess we'll never watch this
rip
ploxo to keep plaguing stream chats[/quote]
[color=green]>implying i didn't know it was a safe bet[/color][/quote]
i hope you die[/quote]
have sex, nerd.
What you're seeing in invite - and this has been going on ever since I really started to follow invite closely (particularly bad since s13) - is that the High- tier of players has an extremely high turnover rate.
Assuming the 6 guys on Watch This never play again that is a big reduction in high+ players (and 3 Tf2 juggernauts). Invite has already been struggling with a quality problem for a while - ever since 4 (I think 4) IM teams had to be called up in s13 and DT died as well as most of the IM call ups over the following seasons.
I think the scene will, on the whole, be OK if enough lower invite players and teams actually stick it out and don't break apart - I think it's particularly a community philosophy problem, and partly the nature of this game - if you lose your pocket, medic, or Demo your list of options for potential replacements are EXTREMELY limited, particularly if a higher level invite team is looking for the same thing. There's a HUGE influx of new players waiting in the wings, but they will need a while to be top quality. It'll be rough going if our current trends continue - particularly if 3-4+ teams have to be dug out of main every season and they die within 1-2 seasons.
As far as other leagues go. CEVO appears to be kinda getting its act together - I still have a bad taste in my mouth from their last open season before the reboot and the vanilla tournament - both of which made basically everything ESEA has done over the last 4-5 seasons look like strokes of genius. UGC 6s isn't really built or aimed at attracting the highest level players and the league itself is rather amorphous since everybody is working for free and the personal touches of the admin team carry a lot of weight (which is great if you have dedicated admins and bad if they disappear). The main problem with turning to another league is that it's incredibly hard work that nobody really wants to do, and ESEA has its problems but none of them are that bad considering LAN and prize options and the predictability of seasons (when they happen when they'll end etc).
I don't get why a reschedule wasn't possible or why other avenues for funding weren't looked at. Yeah, it's lame to ask people for money, but it's not that hard to get. I sell my plasma to pay league fees + premium and replacement parts for my PC - not to mention beer money lol.
What you're seeing in invite - and this has been going on ever since I really started to follow invite closely (particularly bad since s13) - is that the High- tier of players has an extremely high turnover rate.
Assuming the 6 guys on Watch This never play again that is a big reduction in high+ players (and 3 Tf2 juggernauts). Invite has already been struggling with a quality problem for a while - ever since 4 (I think 4) IM teams had to be called up in s13 and DT died as well as most of the IM call ups over the following seasons.
I think the scene will, on the whole, be OK if enough lower invite players and teams actually stick it out and don't break apart - I think it's particularly a community philosophy problem, and partly the nature of this game - if you lose your pocket, medic, or Demo your list of options for potential replacements are EXTREMELY limited, particularly if a higher level invite team is looking for the same thing. There's a HUGE influx of new players waiting in the wings, but they will need a while to be top quality. It'll be rough going if our current trends continue - particularly if 3-4+ teams have to be dug out of main every season and they die within 1-2 seasons.
As far as other leagues go. CEVO appears to be kinda getting its act together - I still have a bad taste in my mouth from their last open season before the reboot and the vanilla tournament - both of which made basically everything ESEA has done over the last 4-5 seasons look like strokes of genius. UGC 6s isn't really built or aimed at attracting the highest level players and the league itself is rather amorphous since everybody is working for free and the personal touches of the admin team carry a lot of weight (which is great if you have dedicated admins and bad if they disappear). The main problem with turning to another league is that it's incredibly hard work that nobody really wants to do, and ESEA has its problems but none of them are that bad considering LAN and prize options and the predictability of seasons (when they happen when they'll end etc).
I don't get why a reschedule wasn't possible or why other avenues for funding weren't looked at. Yeah, it's lame to ask people for money, but it's not that hard to get. I sell my plasma to pay league fees + premium and replacement parts for my PC - not to mention beer money lol.
Honestly..if more ESEA-I players felt the way and did what Brad did, it would force ESEA to get their shit together and start treating their customers correctly.
Honestly..if more ESEA-I players felt the way and did what Brad did, it would force ESEA to get their shit together and start treating their customers correctly.
It seems to me that what ESEA has is the prestige surrounding it. People like to say they're IM or Main or whatever and I don't think it's superficial or vain. Ultimately, you want to feel like you're making progress. Going from open to IM shows that.. well.. you were good enough to go to IM (depending on seasons this means less than others). I think for CEVO to really want to step it up there would need to be divisions. The difficult part is that it's a league that's restarting so even if it were to start divisions next season based off of this season there would only 13 teams (or whatever it is) and any new team would.. simply start at the bottom of their open division? You could try and count on teams' own judgement of where they could fit. Unfortunately, you could still end up with teams who think they can perform better than they actually can (especially since a self-ranking like this is impossible to do without knowing what the other teams in your division look like). Maybe they could try a kind of "committee" approach. You get some high level (esea) invite team on board as a committee, hopefully individuals who could be without or with as little-as-possible bias, and have them scrim each team which signs up. The invite team could, hopefully, be able to gauge where the teams should be placed.
I guess what I'm saying is that I think if CEVO played their cards right (which might not be any of what i said above) they could hurt ESEA, a lot. As of now, if you were to tell some guys on this board "hey I won UGC" or "hey I won cevo" no one would care and might make fun of you for even stating it because they're seen as not-very-serious leagues or "hey this is a free 100$" (which I think is what iT are going for by having signed up for CEVO). Change the communities mentality surrounding those leagues and you have yourself some competition.
Edit: Obviously I think one of the bigger things they could also do is talk about their future projects. Are they looking to get a LAN going? If not then this might never be the league that we're looking for. CEVO could have a huge advantage right now if they maintain communication with the community as open as possible, what their plans are, what they hope is going to happen, what kind of money they'd need, etc.
It seems to me that what ESEA has is the prestige surrounding it. People like to say they're IM or Main or whatever and I don't think it's superficial or vain. Ultimately, you want to feel like you're making progress. Going from open to IM shows that.. well.. you were good enough to go to IM (depending on seasons this means less than others). I think for CEVO to really want to step it up there would need to be divisions. The difficult part is that it's a league that's restarting so even if it were to start divisions next season based off of this season there would only 13 teams (or whatever it is) and any new team would.. simply start at the bottom of their open division? You could try and count on teams' own judgement of where they could fit. Unfortunately, you could still end up with teams who think they can perform better than they actually can (especially since a self-ranking like this is impossible to do without knowing what the other teams in your division look like). Maybe they could try a kind of "committee" approach. You get some high level (esea) invite team on board as a committee, hopefully individuals who could be without or with as little-as-possible bias, and have them scrim each team which signs up. The invite team could, hopefully, be able to gauge where the teams should be placed.
I guess what I'm saying is that I think if CEVO played their cards right (which might not be any of what i said above) they could hurt ESEA, a lot. As of now, if you were to tell some guys on this board "hey I won UGC" or "hey I won cevo" no one would care and might make fun of you for even stating it because they're seen as not-very-serious leagues or "hey this is a free 100$" (which I think is what iT are going for by having signed up for CEVO). Change the communities mentality surrounding those leagues and you have yourself some competition.
Edit: Obviously I think one of the bigger things they could also do is talk about their future projects. Are they looking to get a LAN going? If not then this might never be the league that we're looking for. CEVO could have a huge advantage right now if they maintain communication with the community as open as possible, what their plans are, what they hope is going to happen, what kind of money they'd need, etc.
ESEA is run by emotionless robots that only see things in black and white. The whole ordeal revealed they don't care about the actual competition. They're strictly a business, hardly a league, that blindly follows rules to the letter without any regard to extenuating circumstances. And kalkin calling our players idiots and just saying "The answer is no" immediately following steam messages sent to him was really professional lol.
They don't even realize how damaging that ffw really was for teams vying for a LAN spot. Alfa's team just gets a free win. Imagine if that was at the end of the season and it was the difference between them going to lan or not. Would ESEA still allow that FFW? It would be absurd if they did, but I guess I can't really put it passed them at this point.
They're probably still confused by brads actions because of how small they believe this issue is, but they don't realize their horrible customer service has been accumulating towards the breaking point and brad had enough. The league is fantastic and I've always been grateful that they support tf2, it's just too bad this allows them to neglect their customer service because they're the only option.
ESEA is run by emotionless robots that only see things in black and white. The whole ordeal revealed they don't care about the actual competition. They're strictly a business, hardly a league, that blindly follows rules to the letter without any regard to extenuating circumstances. And kalkin calling our players idiots and just saying "The answer is no" immediately following steam messages sent to him was really professional lol.
They don't even realize how damaging that ffw really was for teams vying for a LAN spot. Alfa's team just gets a free win. Imagine if that was at the end of the season and it was the difference between them going to lan or not. Would ESEA still allow that FFW? It would be absurd if they did, but I guess I can't really put it passed them at this point.
They're probably still confused by brads actions because of how small they believe this issue is, but they don't realize their horrible customer service has been accumulating towards the breaking point and brad had enough. The league is fantastic and I've always been grateful that they support tf2, it's just too bad this allows them to neglect their customer service because they're the only option.
FogESEA's customer support has been extremely lack-luster ever since the Bitcoin incident (and definitely before that). Right now they appear to be in shambles internally with the loss of their former main client coder. Customer support should be something that ESEA has to have if they want to keep themselves afloat, and they should have already been improving their customer support because of the bitcoin stuff, but it's only gotten worse.
Is there anything to really indicate Jaguar isn't still doing the coding though? He's been the only one doing the client forever; it's his baby. They have said anything about having found someone to do it and I don't know anything about coding but I feel like it'd take a while for anyone but Jaguar to be able to figure out how to work with it.
Maybe I am completely failing to understand the coding process but I think Jaguar must have stayed on at least a while since it was announced he had been fired seeing as he was the only one doing the client.
[quote=Fog]ESEA's customer support has been extremely lack-luster ever since the Bitcoin incident (and definitely before that). Right now they appear to be in shambles internally with the loss of their former main client coder. Customer support should be something that ESEA has to have if they want to keep themselves afloat, and they should have already been improving their customer support because of the bitcoin stuff, but it's only gotten worse.
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Is there anything to really indicate Jaguar isn't still doing the coding though? He's been the only one doing the client forever; it's his baby. They have said anything about having found someone to do it and I don't know anything about coding but I feel like it'd take a while for anyone but Jaguar to be able to figure out how to work with it.
Maybe I am completely failing to understand the coding process but I think Jaguar must have stayed on at least a while since it was announced he had been fired seeing as he was the only one doing the client.
Kudos to Brad, problems with the client has been happening a lot the last few seasons where it forces players to keep changing their schedules, and I'm not talking about game updates that interfere with the client but servers not showing up and being told by other admins to just reschedule a match because they don't have that authority at times to just switch teams to another server. Usually when I had problems like this I would just message killing or kalkin personally and they do their best to help out but the other consultants of ESEA just clean themselves from situations like that most of the times and nothing is resolved.
Kudos to Brad, problems with the client has been happening a lot the last few seasons where it forces players to keep changing their schedules, and I'm not talking about game updates that interfere with the client but servers not showing up and being told by other admins to just reschedule a match because they don't have that authority at times to just switch teams to another server. Usually when I had problems like this I would just message killing or kalkin personally and they do their best to help out but the other consultants of ESEA just clean themselves from situations like that most of the times and nothing is resolved.
cbear we need a fully charged about this
cbear we need a fully charged about this