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#336 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
EmilioEstevezhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34329825
"The UK has opted against taking part in the relocation scheme and has its own plan to resettle migrants directly from Syrian refugee camps."

The UK used its opt out. The UK did not have to accept a single Syrian immigrant/refugee that it didn't want, the EU immigration issue is not related to Syrians.

Wow that's actually completed unrelated to the question I asked good job. This does nothing to prove that negative attitudes towards immigration in the UK aren't related to Syrian refugees. Leave voters very well either could have
1) thought that being part of the EU made them obligated to accept Syrian refugees (which it DOES to some extent) and if they left they could stop or
2) been completely unaware of the fact that they were taking refugees in outside of the EU system.

posted about 7 years ago
#328 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
EmilioEstevezAgain you're showing how you know very little about this at all. The UK was not obligated to take refugees from Syria like the rest of the EU was, we had negotiated an exception re refugees before the Syrian crisis even began. The immigration issue in the UK is focused on the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans who have come over the past 2 decades with no way for the UK government to decide how many we are able to take. If they want to come they have to be accepted.

Well since we've already played this game: show me some actual sources to back up your claim that anti-immigration attitudes being on the rise lately in Europe and the UK aren't linked to the crisis in Syria.

posted about 7 years ago
#324 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
EmilioEstevezBesides, wanting control over immigration is not racism.

As eee already said, being anti-immigration isn't inherently racist (Although really, try and show me a time in history where anti-immigration policies have been popular when popular opinion against immigration wasn't motivated by a dislike of a certain race moving into their country. Highly doubt many if any examples exist at all.), but the push back against immigration in the UK and the EU in general is very clearly linked to the crisis in Syria.

posted about 7 years ago
#319 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
EmilioEstevezWhat's very large. Is it 1%, or maybe 10%, or is it 50%+? Where are you getting this from, I'd love to see your sources for claiming "a very large portion" of the 17 million people who voted to leave are unabashed racists.

Let me guess, you saw one interview on the BBC with some moron saying something dumb about Muslims and immediately decided that 52% of the population of the UK are bigots even though you've probably never been here and don't understand the North/South/London political divide in the UK?

You're capable of looking this stuff up yourself but you'd rather just complain about the evil liberals saying you're racist and call it a day as facts don't back up your arguments, but since you pretended you wanted to know here you go: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/atmwrgevvj/TimesResults_160622_EVEOFPOLL.pdf

84% of voters who were planning to vote leave leading up to the vote said they thought Britain leaving the EU would result in less immigration into Britain (only 27% of remain voters thought it would result in less immigration).

83% of voters who were planning to vote leave leading up to the vote said they would prefer Britain having full control of immigration into Britain but no free access to the EU market as opposed to "British businesses having free access to trade with the EU, but Britain having to allow EU citizens the right to live and work in Britain".

This vote was clearly about immigration and no matter how much you deny it - people's fear of immigration (especially today with the crisis in Syria) is mostly caused by racism.

posted about 7 years ago
#311 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
EmilioEstevezwhymeoGentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".

Democracy's protectors.

Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.

I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.

Because it's a common theme with liberals to brand anyone who disagrees with them a racist. They try to silence dissenting ideas by name calling anyone who has a different opinion.

There are plenty of good reasons to want to leave the EU and none of them involve racism.

Aaaaand yet you are still totally ignoring the fact that a very large portion of the leave voters were motivated to vote leave because of their dislike of immigrants.

posted about 7 years ago
#305 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
GentlemanJonRacist graffiti, hate mail and numerous reports of racist incidents all over the country telling people to get out because "We won".

Democracy's protectors.

Leave voters should be proud, these are your people.

I love how every post pointing out how the leave vote was linked to racism immediately gets downfragged, as if leave supporters are trying to deny that it was linked to racism. You guys don't even have the balls to admit that you're racist - at least Trump supporters actively admit they hate Muslims.

posted about 7 years ago
#290 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events

http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/thoughts-on-the-sociology-of-brexit/
Some interesting stuff in this article.

WillDaviesBy the same token, it seems unlikely that those in these regions (or Cornwall or other economically peripheral spaces) would feel ‘grateful’ to the EU for subsidies. Knowing that your business, farm, family or region is dependent on the beneficence of wealthy liberals is unlikely to be a recipe for satisfaction (see James Meek’s recent essay in the London Review of Books on Europhobic farmers who receive vast subsidies from the EU). More bizarrely, it has since emerged that regions with the closest economic ties to the EU in general (and not just of the subsidised variety) were most likely to vote Leave.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

WillDaviesCrucially, they observed that – in strong contrast to the Scottish ‘Yes’ movement – Brexit was not fuelled by hope for a different future. On the contrary, many Leavers believed that withdrawing from the EU wouldn’t really change things one way or the other, but they still wanted to do it. I’ve long suspected that, on some unconscious level, things could be even stranger than this: the self-harm inflicted by Brexit could potentially be part of its appeal. It is now being reported that many Leave voters are aghast at what they’ve done, as if they never really intended for their actions to yield results.

...but it seems clear that – beyond the rhetoric of ‘Great Britain’ and ‘democracy’ – Brexit was never really articulated as a viable policy, and only ever as a destructive urge, which some no doubt now feel guilty for giving way to.

Thatcher and Reagan rode to power by promising a brighter future, which never quite materialised other than for a minority with access to elite education and capital assets. The contemporary populist promise to make Britain or American ‘great again’ is not made in the same way. It is not a pledge or a policy platform; it’s not to be measured in terms of results. When made by the likes of Boris Johnson, it’s not even clear if it’s meant seriously or not. It’s more an offer of a collective real-time halucination, that can be indulged in like a video game.

And some more stuff on leave voters regretting their decision - and why they might have voted that way despite regretting it now.

posted about 7 years ago
#258 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
cirloAlso if they needed something like 60% of the voters to go out EU and there were "just" 52%, it would be quite hard to govern with MORE then half of your people against you.

Fact of the matter is, now that a lot of Brits are facing the realities of leaving the EU it seems unlikely that a majority still want to leave the EU. There's a lot of stories going around about people who voted leave just because they thought remain would win and in fact wanted to remain, but wanted the vote to be close to send a message to the EU. Plus there's other people saying they voted leave and didn't really consider the ramifications of leave winning because they just assumed remain would win. With more and more UK citizens quickly realizing the economic consequences of leaving the EU, I don't think a leave vote would win again if another referendum was held right now, let alone in a couple of years. So yeah, it does seem a little insane that they're going to go ahead and leave the EU just because of this one referendum.

posted about 7 years ago
#242 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
Nub_DanishI mean there was a article here in a Calgary newspaper about refugees who had fled to Canada saying they didn't like the hospitality and were considering returning to Syria. The reasons they listed were, the sheets weren't being changed daily and they were being served "westernized middle eastern food" so it is to say maybe all the refugee's aren't fleeing violence considering they'd be willing to return because they didn't like the food.

So even if it was the case that a notable percentage of Syrian refugees would consider returning to Syria because of bad food (hint: this isn't the case) and thus they aren't leaving Syria for serious reasons why ARE they moving out of Syria? To invade your country and destroy your precious way of life by spreading their evil Muslim religion? Listening to people like you talk about immigrants makes it seem like this is what you believe.

posted about 7 years ago
#180 Rest In Peace Britian in World Events
Nub_DanishIn EU anyone who is a resident of another country that is a member of the EU is allowed to enter the UK and live there. Also the EU could pass legislative requiring the UK to take a certain amount of "refugees".

Quotes around refugees implying that people fleeing from the violence in Syria aren't actually refugees. God you're a shitbag.

posted about 7 years ago
#21 So when do I cash in on pounds? in Off Topic

First Trump now this. Racism against immigrants is causing a hell of a lot of instability right now in the world.

posted about 7 years ago
#422 ESEA-IM S22 Happenings/Predictions in TF2 General Discussion

I guarantee no one would be freaking out about fuzion being #1 if he had been a member of the 6's community for longer. Since he comes from hl and is relatively new to 6's though everyone just automatically thinks "there's no way he can be nearly as good as these players that have been around for a long time!"

posted about 7 years ago
#389 ESEA-IM S22 Happenings/Predictions in TF2 General Discussion

fortunate hostages is almost certainly alive, i think they just need a new roamer now.

posted about 7 years ago
#193 Mass shooting in Orlando in Off Topic

I love when Europeans come into these threads and talk about how the US should try and have stricter gun control. They don't understand that the majority of US citizens are a special kind of crazy. It's depressing how people from the US don't stop and think "gun related violence (and murder rates in general) are lower in all these European countries, I wonder if that has anything to do with the wide availability of guns in the US?", even when these threads make it clear that the majority of people from other countries view US gun laws as worrisome at best and crazy at worst. The mentality of your typical american where they think they know better than the rest of the world is troubling and shows up in more issues than just gun control. It's rather sad.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/image/27549-1pykz2g.png a map comparing US murder rates to some other "first world" countries, for those unaware.

posted about 7 years ago
#11 Opportunity for 20% off steam games in Off Topic

Yeah but there's no reason to do it right now (unless you want to help him) because the sale is coming up so ur just paying extra. So i'm seeing if he's going to be doing this once the sale is going on too.

posted about 7 years ago
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