The medal idea is good, except for the fact that valve is unlikely to actually go for it

The highlander idea is bad- the only reason highlander has such larger numbers is because it has the monopoly over the casual competitive playerbase, aka the people who dabble in competitive play but aren't super competitive and still pub, and those people won't pay to compete

well, it's a hell of a lot harder than soldier, that's for sure

its just a joke lol

wow I thought people just did that to troll

if they actually do that cuz theyre sore losers that's fuckin pathetic

from my pov, the scouts with the very best movement don't just feel like they're randomly making themselves unhittable, it feels like they're individually dodging each projectile as I shoot it

idk if they're actually trying to or if their general movement is so good that it feels that way

but yeah

im gonna go with a Kwanzaa theme this year

seconded (or thirded or something, I didnt read this thread, just saw this)

i wouldnt need a fuckin tribe id run off into the brush and start strangling bunnies with my bare hands

it depends on the map to a degree, for instance I feel like soldier should be able to always beat demo on granary and maybe viaduct but should lose on gullywash or badlands middle

but soldier definitely isnt helpless in a demo fight

http://natf2.com/topics/3831

because this was so long ago I misremembered a few things, he didn't get quite as much hate as I thought and some people gave advice

I mean, if you're dumb enough to try to get good at tf2 by spending 100% of your time in either, DM > MGE

but if you're already good at tf2, or at least have good understanding of the game, MGE = DM imo

that looks like a really tasty mc hoof scrotum and colon

yeah, the thing for me (maybe I'm alone here and this is a bad thing, but idk) is that I think I aim differently against soldiers when compared to scouts (esp with pipes)- with soldiers, I almost use track aim to hit them, whereas with scouts I either twitch really spastically or, if they're not dodging much or fighting someone else, just throw out prediction pipes. I also feel like I'm forced to use pipes more against scouts (at least good ones)

of course it's anecdotal evidence, no one is gonna compile a perfect statistical breakdown of what strats work and what don't. my only point was that there is a lot more skill contained in THE BOMB than you allow for.

p.s. it's also anecdotal evidence that literally every invite player who has posted in here is ok with using stickies in mge, but it seems pretty clear based on that that some people are more upset about losing badly in mge than they are about not being able to properly practice

people play mge/dm to make themselves better in-game, right? at least, I should hope that that's the goal of practice mods (it is for me, anyways). as dummy said about blaze, playing a bombing soldier in mge can definitely be a decent analogy for bombing demos in game (something you will probably spend a fair amount of time doing if you're a roamer)

I thought we were talking about mge here, but regardless, timing is a massive factor in both mods. maybe not in a soldier v soldier or scout v scout fight in mge, but in a soldier v demo fight (as well as either class in dm) it definitely is. learning to look for openings before you bomb as a soldier or plus forward as a demo is helpful.

idk about dm, but in mge how strong your rocket jumps can be an enormous factor in soldier v demo or soldier v soldier (obviously not soldier v scout that much)

a) I don't see how using stickies make it impossible to practice soldier. what are you even practicing, if you're playing a pipes-only demo? strafing left and right while standing on the ground?

b) if pugging and scrimming were frequent enough/created enough DM scenarios for people, then we wouldn't be in training mods in the first place. just because there are 1. scenarios in-game where mge won't help you and 2. scenarios in mge that won't help you in game, doesn't mean there aren't also scenarios in mge that will help you in game. obviously there are scenarios where you need to know to not bomb. will mge help you with those? no, that's a gamesense thing, so they're irrelevant.

EDIT: whoops, forgot to respond to this

I don't know what mid-game rockets are

I half agree, personally I feel demo v scout is useful as well (or at least it was for me, idk about other dudes)

agreed, and it upsets me that people don't seem to realize this

a few months ago, termo aka yuri (arguably the best demo in australia) made a thread about demoman movement, essentially asking b4nny and other top na demos for advice on improving movement. all the random riff raff of the na community (clearly not knowing how high a level termo played and thus assuming he was some random noob) started posting about how "HERP DERP DONT WORRY ABOUT MOVEMENT WORRY ABOUT POSITIONING, IF YOU PLAY SAFE YOU WONT DIE ANYWAYS", and the OP got massively minusfragged. what they obviously failed to realize is that if your dm is really good, you can take risks that you wouldn't otherwise be able to, and output more dmg. and, as you said, movement is a huge aspect of that. that attitude of just playing passive as demo to avoid any risks is really dumb, and I hope people have abandoned it.

/minirant