The TF2 devs will not give us a $10,000 tournament if we cater to their needs, stop being desperate

You also avoided answering what success we'd gain from unbanning unlocks, you said "bridge gap between competitive and casual" and besides whitelist the difference is classlimits and rules

What chance of success are you talking about? What is considered successful? We used to have sponsors back in the day because TF2 was like 3 years old and not 11.

The TF2 dev team don't know how to make a good competitive game and ruleset. Comp is interesting because we made a ruleset and classlimit, more medics would get rid of the importance of the class and the importance of uber and being able to count the enemy's uber. Europe used to have 2 demos then they realized it was too annoying and made it so only 1 demo was allowed. TF2 devs might love TF2 which I don't doubt, but they are as clueless as any fresh install when it comes to what's important for competitive.

I don't think anybody feels that it's hopeless it's more that we know what works and we know what's fun to play with and against, can we please stop trying to make it more casual to play?
You just sound desperate and have yet given actual arguments except "it might not be shit"

https://streamable.com/gov6f

ya but at the same time you're unbanning this not because it's refreshing and fun to play against but because top teams can counter it and find it "meh its kinda pointless", its a gimmick weapon and imo theres no fucking point in having gimmick weapons unbanned, do you think a bunch of open, low and mid players are more keen to play when shit that is annoying to everyone but a highly skilled well coordinated team and it gets used against them when they're losing 4-0? the reason you wanna do this is to bridge the gap between casual and comp so more newbies will join but at the same time the whitelist protects them from being stomped to fuck shit in unfun ways by people who are better than them
the whitelist isn't why pubbers wont play comp, its because they dont want or have the drive to play comp in the first place, they cba dedicating time to getting better aim, understanding what they're doing is wrong and why it's wrong and etc

imagine if you are playing badlands, your demo has quickie launcher, you bonk onto point, sticks are gone, you might be slow but you're capping that fucker fast, it's a fucking free entry wtf ? where is the skill from the scout's part?

https://youtu.be/BQLEW1c-69c?t=2382 (youtube embed breaks time)
tell me if this story sounds similar, the top players have put more hours into the game than all the devs combined, there is no fucking reason to cater to what they want because they have no idea how good tf2 can be at its best
we can either keep making some mutant freak out of comp tf2 which meets our needs but also lines up with tf2 devs views OR we can embellish in what we've been building up for 11 years.

im not against allowing more weapons into the whitelist, but i am against allowing gimmick weapons, useless or not and trying to please devs who dont know how to play the game

yeah celebrating chtristmas the proper way, getting pissed at work before being done for the day then sleeping to 3 pm

new meta theory: spend the entire mid bonking about and then clean up when everyone is low and you're still 150 hp in their combo

im out here working 7 am to 8 pm on weekends, i deserve to get a sip of some drama.

yo who deletes a shittalking clip lmfao

they hated him because he told the truth

u realize that by studying jazz you're literally playing jazz right? ur dumb frfr

ur a fucking moron
jazz is one of the two most popular music programs you can study (classical is the other), it's music for musicians and it's fricking epic
(i am aware you can study folk music but nobody does that lets be honest folks)

ok now this is an epic post :D
loled out loud thanks :)

no but they do pay the bills :ppp