we dont deserve extine

I was hoping for a RGL EU Highlander and 6s league, something to give ETF2L some competition perhaps, hopefully thats still possible in the future.

I'd be suprised if any players were willing to make another substantial investment into another LAN in NA with flights and fundraisers etc, if all it causes is wasted money and headaches. This isn't the exception anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKhVsQPIgr4

this shit was so fucking amazing to me, i watched it like 4 years after it came out but still

there goes the nerdrage sponsorship

sigafoo doesnt seem so bad now huh

Admirable courage to come out with this, let's take the fucking trash out now. Please never let any of the people involved with BTS TF2 ever touch any tf2 related event ever again, this whole thing has cost players nerves and THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, on top of other staff knowing of dashners conduct and still tolerating it without speaking out.

This is the most fucked part about this. So many people are fucked, because their moey is now gone. Keep in mind that the BTS pushed teams into booking their flights ASAP to confirm theit attendance.

whoa guys just booked my flights whats goin-

only good thing to come out of this

b4nnys boner is fucking raging right now

edit: im retarded, event is cancelled LOL

but muh community leaders that worked their ass off to make a worthless lan event happen!!!
what a joke, if you want your event to be taken seriously then fucking act like professionals and not a bunch of high school cliques that just exclude others on the basis of private matters.

That would only be relevant if we would be trying to attract people who weren't previously interested in TF2 at all. The point of "blaming it on the format" is that there is already a big playerbase, but we're not taking advantage of it. The point of changing the format is to get people who are already playing tf2 to play competitive tf2, not to get people who have never played tf2 to start playing tf2. The competitive community is 1%, lets try to get the other 99% involved.

I'm not looking for a constant back and forth so here's what I'll say

on-season play which matches the ruleset seen on lan (apart from minor details...), so you yourself agree that viewership is declining, you can have 10 more people sign up to your lan, won't change anything and fails to make an impact in comparison to the catastrophic viewership numbers in comparison to last year, yet again a tf2 lan fails to attract any outside sponsors or establish any tournament circuit, I'm critical of these lans because they're the same every time and lead to no change.

We're stuck at theorycrafting because most of the people in communities like these have been pushing back on trying out other formats, there has yet to be a MM 6s cup in EU, etf2l seems to not be interested, even mocking the idea of having such a cup during april fools, rgl has tried mm 6s and has been a success, their statistics even prove that round times are FASTER (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1ounszWsAABDUH.jpg) , so i'm not basing my optimism for the mode on pure guesswork, its been tried, stuff that was complained about before wasnt an issue and yet nothing has changed.

You aren't the community. The competitive community isn't the community and tftv isn't the community, the "community" is everyone who plays tf2. Your support isn't needed when allowing for a more welcoming format can lead to current community figures being replaced by new ones, remember that the competitive community is still only 1% of the overall playerbase, the other 99% of people play on non comp servers, you know, the other 50k players that play at any given moment and dont even realize yet that tf2 can be a competitive game.

So, you've given up? Nobody in the past decade has ever really tried to make a format thats more accesible and diverse, atleast not one that was accepted by the community as the "premier version of competitive tf2". You just made your own version of tf2 and expected valve to support it, you've already given up without even trying new stuff, not suprising that im defending the guy thats actually trying to push for change.

They're controversial to you because the scene has developed into such a hardcore community orientated mindset that anything made for growth, and not the community, is instantly labelled as bad. And how do you expect to ever develop into a proper esport when you cant even handle the basic practices, you need to lay the groundwork first and go from there.

I'm not here for a long, painstaking back and forth which will result in nothing anyways, tftv and other small, isolated communities (b4nnys chat included...) will be resistent to anything other that they're told to be the "solution". its not worth taking the time out of anybodys day to argue with people who cant have their minds changed, kind of defeats the purpose of discussion. so, continue to waste your efforts on a slowly dying scene.