there goes the nerdrage sponsorship

sigafoo doesnt seem so bad now huh

Admirable courage to come out with this, let's take the fucking trash out now. Please never let any of the people involved with BTS TF2 ever touch any tf2 related event ever again, this whole thing has cost players nerves and THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, on top of other staff knowing of dashners conduct and still tolerating it without speaking out.

This is the most fucked part about this. So many people are fucked, because their moey is now gone. Keep in mind that the BTS pushed teams into booking their flights ASAP to confirm theit attendance.

whoa guys just booked my flights whats goin-

only good thing to come out of this

b4nnys boner is fucking raging right now

edit: im retarded, event is cancelled LOL

but muh community leaders that worked their ass off to make a worthless lan event happen!!!
what a joke, if you want your event to be taken seriously then fucking act like professionals and not a bunch of high school cliques that just exclude others on the basis of private matters.

That would only be relevant if we would be trying to attract people who weren't previously interested in TF2 at all. The point of "blaming it on the format" is that there is already a big playerbase, but we're not taking advantage of it. The point of changing the format is to get people who are already playing tf2 to play competitive tf2, not to get people who have never played tf2 to start playing tf2. The competitive community is 1%, lets try to get the other 99% involved.

I'm not looking for a constant back and forth so here's what I'll say

on-season play which matches the ruleset seen on lan (apart from minor details...), so you yourself agree that viewership is declining, you can have 10 more people sign up to your lan, won't change anything and fails to make an impact in comparison to the catastrophic viewership numbers in comparison to last year, yet again a tf2 lan fails to attract any outside sponsors or establish any tournament circuit, I'm critical of these lans because they're the same every time and lead to no change.

We're stuck at theorycrafting because most of the people in communities like these have been pushing back on trying out other formats, there has yet to be a MM 6s cup in EU, etf2l seems to not be interested, even mocking the idea of having such a cup during april fools, rgl has tried mm 6s and has been a success, their statistics even prove that round times are FASTER (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1ounszWsAABDUH.jpg) , so i'm not basing my optimism for the mode on pure guesswork, its been tried, stuff that was complained about before wasnt an issue and yet nothing has changed.

You aren't the community. The competitive community isn't the community and tftv isn't the community, the "community" is everyone who plays tf2. Your support isn't needed when allowing for a more welcoming format can lead to current community figures being replaced by new ones, remember that the competitive community is still only 1% of the overall playerbase, the other 99% of people play on non comp servers, you know, the other 50k players that play at any given moment and dont even realize yet that tf2 can be a competitive game.

So, you've given up? Nobody in the past decade has ever really tried to make a format thats more accesible and diverse, atleast not one that was accepted by the community as the "premier version of competitive tf2". You just made your own version of tf2 and expected valve to support it, you've already given up without even trying new stuff, not suprising that im defending the guy thats actually trying to push for change.

They're controversial to you because the scene has developed into such a hardcore community orientated mindset that anything made for growth, and not the community, is instantly labelled as bad. And how do you expect to ever develop into a proper esport when you cant even handle the basic practices, you need to lay the groundwork first and go from there.

I'm not here for a long, painstaking back and forth which will result in nothing anyways, tftv and other small, isolated communities (b4nnys chat included...) will be resistent to anything other that they're told to be the "solution". its not worth taking the time out of anybodys day to argue with people who cant have their minds changed, kind of defeats the purpose of discussion. so, continue to waste your efforts on a slowly dying scene.

Interesting how you leave out the most recent tf2 event.

I65 had less than half the average viewership, over $2000 less in prize money and an over 400% drop in peak viewership. Clearly, there is something going wrong here.(source: https://escharts.com/tournaments/tf2), the first iseries event remains, the by far biggest tf2 event, prize pool wise, is some literal age old event from 2008 that had fucking 2fort in the map rotation, so we haven't been able to top that in the literal decade that this format has been around.

If you're here just to enjoy yourself and dont care about growth, alright, but this is not anything that could even come clsoe to a "sustainable tournament circuit", b4nny is willing to give other formats a chance to invite in newer players, people like you should realize that attempting to pool new players into 6s is wasted time, your TFNew projects is "not where it used to be" according to your own twitter.

B4nny has been talking about this for years, he's finally going to take more drastic measures to pave the way for a more open tournament circuit, there is no use in supporting a format that has consistently proven to not be sustainable, a format that has failed to break into any kind of relevance. If you wish to continue to hunt for the long gone dream of a trad 6s tf2 esport, go ahead. It's resulted in nothing but stagnation and wasted time, I'm excited for whats in store.

Let's not even mention how RGL tried to build itself a sustainable viewership to gather around sponsors and build a tournament circuit, look how the community reacted to that..., it's obvious that the people in charge and the vocal parts of the community do not want anything that resembles common practicies in...any other esport or traditional sport.

Not a bad take by him, let's remember that he is more than willing to risk the current, small competitive scene for the prospect of growth. Iseries represents the center of competitive TF2 and has been decreasing in viewership (and prize pool) since it's first iteration back in 2007, he wants an international LAN that supports a format that can lead to growth rather than stagnation, stagnation being the fact that the lan has happened dozens of times and lead to no growth worth nothing, an event with a more accesible or open format could showcase the diversity a competitive TF2 scene could promote, he's done supporting a format he doesn't believe in any longer, props to him.

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I don't mind hunting the fuck out of pedophiles who exploit their position in a tightly knit community to get underage pussy, fucking get those people locked behind bars and away from society as far as possible, but please do that only when you are SURE and have EVIDENCE to support your claims, calling someone a pedo is not a small deal at all