WHAT

$85

yeah
maybe you're team can't improve as a unit as much but there's still a great opportunity for you all to improve individually by playing the game, especially against another team. It's not as good as having your full 6 obviously but it's the next best thing.

I want to point out that nobody thinks a global whitelist is a bad thing, it's that this whitelist is actually just horseshit. I can't believe people actually think that because we unbanned a lot of things suddenly that valve will do what they should've already done to help the scene and the game. CW is right, if valve wanted to help the game, they should have done a LOT more during the MM beta. It's like honestly mind bending how delusional some people are being. It seems like they think making it so people don't want to play the game (because that's a pretty obvious and evident result) will help the scene because you think all of a sudden it means valve will give a crap?

It just doesn't making any sense to me.

consider this: how long did it take us to get matchmaking?
Valve won't fix these weapons, this season or next season if at all.

the cow mangler probably won't be run 24/7 because gunslinger is unbanned

I still don't understand the point of the expanded whitelist, maybe someone could explain it to me?
Valve won't give a shit about the data and valve definitely listen to the what the community wants, they never have in TF2 and they never will. They struggle to do what the community wants in CSGO, what makes you think they'll do it in TF2? Valve only finally added MM and some support for the scene after TF2 finally got a direct competitor and not when it was obvious it would be a smart business decision (2010/2011 when SC2 and LoL really started to become big and eSports became more than a joke). If you want to point at DotA2 as a sign of valve being able to handle eSports, consider the fact that everyone that works on DotA does so because they want so and they love the game. Gabe Newell personally has an interest in the game and that goes a long mile to help the whole scene, a lot more than people can really be aware of I think anyway.

Gameplay won't improve, it seems like literally everyone is aware of this.. Last holds seems stronger even though they were already pretty difficult to break. Will more of the classes see more playtime? Maybe but probably not, and it's not like it matters because I would say most people don't really care about that too much.

The only argument I've really seen so far is that Valve will finally have data to balance weapons around and maybe more people would be willing to play competitive. Not only will valve not care about the data but it's already there, the simple fact that an item is banned means that there is something wrong with it and it doesn't take too much of a brain to figure out what's wrong especially if you play with the item in a pub or MM game for like 10 minutes.

If you think that somehow unbanning all these weapons gives us a "truer" TF2 experience then what the fuck have I been playing for the past 6 years cause that's the game I fell in love with, that's the game so many people fell in love with, it's why were here honestly and sure the weapons can be fun in pubs but I seriously fail to see how this gives a more dynamic, interesting and fun game that what we already have.

Pubbers also won't really give a crap. People start playing 6s/HL because they love the game and not being able to play with a few badly designed/overpowered unlocks isn't gonna stop them. I also just can't see someone saying "wow my favorite weapon got unbanned, it's time to finally start playing 6s/HL!" It just seems nuts to me, that's not a barrier that exists in this game.

If someone could give a reasonable explanation that'd be great because honestly I'm clueless about the whole thing.
And just FYI: I had no idea about this happening until rando asked for us to remove the whitelist during the scrim and Nursey explained the whitelist was getting bigger and noted something along the lines of "a few things are getting unbanned, nothing gamebreaking" but yet the atomizer and base jumper were on that whitelist...?

HMM

imo, winlimit is better than windifference because it gives the team who's ahead incentive to push by allowing them to close out the game

edit: and I'm just gonna add that in eu windifference was the standard because of football

na ruleset makes playing from behind while being passive bitches easier, it makes playing while ahead and being passive bitches harder

if we are talking about currently active
yomps/nursey/hass/shade/bdonski are pretty contentious

"commited"

there were 2 eu teams with the possibility of wining iseries, there has only even been 2 and usually only 1

I'm not exactly sure how this season will turn out but you're looking at 3 teams teams with the possibility of wining and then 2 teams that aren't that far off

I'm bored on a Monday so

randonski looking for a team (EVL? Bird noises?)
Yomps to EVL, Sen, delpo, scizor out
Luca Goers reform
Muma out of froyo
FROYO Hassassin?
#20believe? (l0l)
IcTus to 8K?

nursey/shade
hass/bdonski
b4nny
blaze
yomps
shrugger