https://www.twitch.tv/botmoding/clip/EnergeticUnusualFungusPermaSmug-pLHzwY-6VVXxwj57

https://i.imgur.com/UQgJy3a.jpg

this is also my main line of thinking

I'm not sure about seasons vs cups for lower level teams (if we wanted cups to work for lower level teams we'd have to format them to be rewarding and offer a chance of prize money to some lower level teams (divisions in cups?)) but if you're playing multiple cups with the same stack and you scrim/practice together with them, would you still feel like you are playing a series of pugs? Just food for thought.

agree that lower level invite actually kind of sucks, having a shorter turnaround between tournaments would also help with teams that tend to die, give those players more opportunities to make new teams (and who knows maybe they find a stack that can actually stick together)

Also yeah have an 'open' and 'invite' (or high level or whatever?) tournament for each cup would probably help a lot, it can also make buy-ins more reasonable for lower level teams, can have like $20/TEAM, whereas I would think most invite teams are probably going to willing to pay a lot more since they should have a very realistic shot of making it back (and the prize pools can work to help lower level teams from going bankrupt). should probably just structure the cost/tournament around how much it costs each div for a season, idk sort of just guessing with this.

I know the 'why not both' options always exists but burnout is a huge issue in tf2, multiple people have stopped playing for at least some period of time because of it, myself included. NATF2 has prize money in their seasons, you could argue it's not a lot but it is something, FROYO for instance is never gonna skip a season if it's offered, my team probably wouldn't either. Also there is a limit to how much money is in the scene (prize pools come from fees), maybe there is enough to do both but is it worth it? Also with having season and cups I think you'll end up with a situation where some teams only play the season and some teams only play cups and I think that should be avoided. So I guess the answer to "why not both?" is "why have both?"

I think that cups could really power up tf2 back into something people tune in to watch, because I think our viewership is actually way lower than you would think given the size of the tf2 community (not just the people who play 6v6 HL, though obviously they're a big portion of it) and how many people who have participated in it and then left. Basically esports is content and cups make more content than seasons.

google doc because word limit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16IJn6Vjv8geRkcQrHRyh7Kcfy7rDQTJMiTIHH4SvXp0/edit?usp=sharing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_BfDku-_U
for the lads:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OLwxdIAzfziIcg753ETj3mfXyFeQAlFE/view?usp=sharing

https://i.imgur.com/yuOcDaL.jpg

is there someway to look at the results after filling it out

ford = dingo
hnj = kyle & jeff & ckj honestly

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most of all
shoutout to the g6 gang, caps rekuso soapy logan howard skeez nyxi

cu@next

url has HassanChop in it
i done

it's just more data
looking at firstban% can be just as valuable as looking at # of games played on those maps (indicates that one team was able to have a significant advantage on one of those maps)

to clarify a few more stat points

mal and froyo always banned clearcut (vs all), and wg banned clearcut vs us because no one wanted to play that map vs us (last time we had the option of playing it was like week 3 or something)
g6 was the only team to ban snake first phase (vs wg and froyo)
froyo was the only team that picked metal (it was banned by wg in wg v mal)
wg was the only team to first phase ban metal (vs mal and froyo)
granary and snake were the only map3/4 (even in gf granary was map3 and snake was map4)
both times gully was picked was vs wg
reckoner was the only map essentially untouched, largely because none of the teams practiced it enough to actually have it force a ban or be a pick (for us it was literally not worth because everyone was going to ban clearcut and we were gonna pick other maps that we thought were more worth the practice anyway)

imo give reckoner 1 more season at least, give triple koth, remove metal (maybe add it back after next if people still don't care for reckoner), and possibly swap granary for badlands (1s cap)

more stuff from invite playoff

https://i.imgur.com/zLdRVsv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Vu4uHwr.jpg

probably not the prettiest or best way to display the data but whatever it's there

also lowkey the straighter arc thing as well
it's a lot of really small bonus that end up making it like 10-15% better overall not just when it comes to hitting things

Please RGL Just Let Me Play Badlands Im Fucking Begging You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I35dIX6fsqs