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#17 building a computer in Hardware

I like quoting myself:

SetsulSetsulSetsulThe usual disclaimer:
Now is the worst time to build/upgrade, (GPU prices are still settling and)new CPUs are one month away.

Is it possible? Yes, even though the budget is a bit tight and you'd have to live without an SSD for a while.*
I would still wait until September ideally, your budget will be higher and the price for the same performance will be lower.

#15
It's more like a type of four eyes principle.
There's a number of people who could, would and have called me out if I made a mistake and that works the other way round too. If two knowledgeable people agree on a build it's probably pretty good.
At this point I just have a certain reputation and I'm one of the most active users in the PC Build Thread, so I think what Phunk wanted to say if you want a quick check by someone whose opinion almost everyone here trusts, I'm probably your best bet.
Except he's wrong because I forgot the check the Hardware forum and only checked the PC Build Thread instead so I was nowhere near as quick as I could've/should've been. Sorry to let you down Phunk. :D

*That's not an empty phrase, I actually checked it with the current prices, but I won't post that build so you wait and get a far better one (+SSD) in September instead. I know it means waiting a month longer (after the August paycheck instead of the July paycheck, if I understood your posts correctly), but you'll have a better gaming experience for years to come and probably a year longer (new vs 1 year old CPU).

posted about 8 years ago
#7 i5 or i7 for TF2 specifically? in Hardware

Is an i7 better than an equivalent i5 for TF2? Definitely.
Do you need an i7 if you're not streaming? Probably not.

The Xeon E3-1230 is worth a look, wait for the v4 or v5 though, should be released this summer. New i7s coming in August aswell.
FYI the E3-1230 is basically an i7 without the iGPU, but it's not like you were going to use it anyway, so why pay for it?
It's specifically the 1230 (there's also the 1231, an updated version in this generation, but usually it's just the 1230), the 1220 is only a Quad Core without Hyperthreading (=i5), for the 1240 and further you pay a huge premium for marginally higher clockrates and the version ending in 5 (or 6 aswell in this gen) are exactly the same as the ones ending in 0 (1) except they do have an iGPU and you obviously don't want to pay for that.

#5
Do I have to post the screenshot of TF2 using 8 threads again?
We've been over this before.

posted about 8 years ago
#541 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#540

SetsulSetsulThe usual disclaimer:
Now is the worst time to build/upgrade, (GPU prices are still settling and)new CPUs are one month away.

1. CPU is irrelevant for the case choice.
2. It does however affect the motherboard choice which does affect the case choice.
3. Obviously for a full ATX motherboard, which you probably don't need, you'd need a full ATX case. I think µATX is fine for pretty much anyone, but I don't know how many PCI(e) cards you plan on using.
4. If you hypothetically bought a massively overpriced CPU, which you don't need, less than a month before a faster and most likely cheaper CPU (i7-6700K) was released, after I've warned you multiple times I would, hypothetically, call you a retard.

#541
Once again:
Now is the worst time to build/upgrade, GPU prices are still settling and) new CPUs are one month away.

And a few other problems with your build:
No budget
I could recommend you a 2000$ build that will obviously be better.
You could get an i5-4590 for less than the i5-4460. If there's a microcenter near you, you could get it for 160$.
Z87 mobo for a non-overclockable cpu.
There's slightly cheaper RAM (not actually a problem)
V300 is shit. It was ok-ish, then Kingston switch the NAND, which halved the performance, without telling anyone. Don't buy it. The 850 Evo is cheaper and twice as fast as the good version of the V300. Do the math, 4$ more for -75% performance just doesn't check out.
The Seagate Barracuda is slightly faster and slightly cheaper than the WD Blue. Not a problem but 4$ are 4$.
The R9 380 isn't worth it yet. The 280X costs the same and is faster. The 290 is slightly more expensive and way faster.
I like µATX but I've said that before. Your choice.
CX600M for >60$? Holy shit no. Even the CX750M is only 55$. For the 55$ you could also get a very good PSU, e.g. the EVGA 550 GS instead of a low end PSU like the CX series. Or you could get the CX500M for 35$, which is the absolute max I'd be for a CXM. 30$ max for non-modular.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($56.37 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC Video Card ($263.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $746.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-05 17:04 EDT-0400

And another round:
New i5s two months away.

posted about 8 years ago
#537 PC Build Thread in Hardware

1. Given equal multi-core performance less cores = higher single-core performance is preferable, especially in games
When they were basically the same price (microcenter) it was already hard to justify an FX- 8350 over an i5-3570 if you weren't streaming.
2. Would you buy an i5-3570 today? Why not? Because it's 3 years old and you can just get an i5-4590 instead.

I can see the appeal of not having to buy a new motherboard, but if there haven't been any new CPUs released for said motherboard in the last 3 years it might be time to accept the fact that it's obsolete.

I mean your CPU is 6 years old, back then we were still switching from DDR2 to DDR3 and now the switch to DDR4 is already happening. How long did you think you could drag that mobo with you?

posted about 8 years ago
#535 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#533

SetsulThe usual disclaimer:
Now is the worst time to build/upgrade, (GPU prices are still settling and)new CPUs are one month away.

That said the 4790K is way too expensive in Australia to even be remotely justifiable.
Also XL2411Z >>> XL2411T
I'm not a huge fan of the 200R either, the lack of dust filters and hdd decoupling is a bit weird at that price, but it's up to you.
Just a quick comparision:
What you would get.
What I would get

My advice is:
1. Wait at least until August, September would be better (new CPUs)
2. Get a budget.
3. Pick a good CPU with a good price to performance ratio.
4. Pick a motherboard that suits your needs (overclocking or not, expansion slots, etc.)
5. Then pick a case that still fits within the budget (if you're already over budget without the case, drop the monitor)

#534
Apart from the FX-8350 not being a good idea for TF2 in general anymore, I'm curious how you'd make the FX-8350, an AM3+ CPU, fit in the ASRock FM2A88M-HD+, an FM2+ motherboard.

#535
If you want to spend less than the max budget the usual "pick the fastest GPU below the budget" approach doesn't work. We'd need to know how much performance you need and then pick the cheapest GPU that delivers that much or more.
In other words "TF2 at higher settings (currently dx8)" isn't specific enough to tell which GPU would be fast enough.

Also the GPU basically doesn't matter for the streaming performance impact. Streaming doesn't put any additional load on the GPU, it won't bottleneck if it didn't without streaming, but it also won't take any load of the CPU.
Unless you're using NVENC or similar. In that case please refer to:

OsirisNVENC will not look good at streaming bitrates.

https://obsproject.com/forum/threads/new-nvenc-presets.18900/page-3#post-130579

posted about 8 years ago
#129 Anime to watch over the summer in Music, Movies, TV
Quertzeitgeist theory, philosophy of plato, the remarks of Ayn Rand about objectivism in her books The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Standpoint theory, radical skepticism. objectivism as addressed in The Capitalist Manifesto, Epistemology as a fundamental basis of human wisdom, and all the works of pre-socratic philosophers.

That's a nice list.
What are you trying to do with that list?

There's a quote about one of the fundamental principles of objectivism dictating that college freshmen must be super into it, but I can't quite piece it together.

Thankfully xkcd sums it up quite nicely.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/bookshelf.png

posted about 8 years ago
#109 Anime to watch over the summer in Music, Movies, TV

I guess you didn't see where I was going.

Everyone (within this thread, at least far more than 90%) except Quert agrees that crud is subjective (see TVTropes Corollary).
Therefore either
1. The Critic's Corollary is wrong and should be "Everyone except Quert lacks the taste necessary to distinguish between crud and non-crud."
2. Quert lacks the taste necessary to distinguish between crud and non-crud, yet criticises other people's tastes anyway and in doing so confirms the Critic's Second Corollary.

Now take a guess what's more likely...

posted about 8 years ago
#97 Anime to watch over the summer in Music, Movies, TV

Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud.
Critic's Corollary: 90% of people lack the taste necessary to distinguish between crud and non-crud.
Critic's Second Corollary: 90% of people will criticize 90% of what they see regardless of their ability to distinguish crud from non-crud.

Quert just showed us that they are still working perfectly.

I also smell a case of Ruri's Law, but let's not go there.

posted about 8 years ago
#21 Build my computer for $ in Hardware

How far did you get?
There's not a whole lot of steps and none of them are terribly complicated so I'm curious where you've given up.
I mean in the time it takes "to discuss details" you could probably finish it yourself.

posted about 8 years ago
#531 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Overclockable CPUs will be released on gamescom 6th-9th August.
Anything interesting (aka Desktop) should follow within a month, the last on 5th September.

posted about 8 years ago
#529 PC Build Thread in Hardware

The usual disclaimer:
Now is the worst time to build/upgrade, GPU prices are still settling and new CPUs are one month away.

Other than that just a few minor things:
Before I read that you will sell it to a friend I was about to suggest to put the new RAM and HDD in the new system since they're faster. I can see now why you'd want to keep the HDD though, not sure about the RAM, if you want low latency there's other options, I've put one of them in the part list (4$ more).

The 960 doesn't exactly have a good price to performance ratio. The 280X is more powerful and cheaper.

If you care about noise you might aswell go with the Define Mini or Silencio 352. That would probably be cheaper in the long run (no need to buy fans & foam).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($66.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $99.90)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $94.99)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DG 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (Purchased For $21.99)
Other: Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ Black 22" 5ms 3D Gaming 120 Hz Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1 w/ HDCP Support (Purchased For $175.00)
Other: Windows 8.1 pro (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1059.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-24 16:40 EDT-0400

posted about 8 years ago
#2 wireless adapters in Off Topic

Well ethernet outlets don't just grow, someone has to put them there, but I get the point, drilling holes through walls isn't always an option.

Could be at least four different things:
-software
-your pc
-interference
-the adapter

Test the adapter on a different pc, in a location where "other devices" got the full 30 mbps. Fast -> adapter is fine
Test with one of the "other devices" in at your pc's location. Slow -> interference

Most other tests could result in false positives or require more information or a simply more complicated so I'll save those for later.

posted about 8 years ago
#525 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#520
7770? It's definitely obsolete, the chip has been rebranded 3 times since the 7770, where did you even find a 7770?
212 Evo for bang-for-buck in Europe? Nope. It's overrated in the US (people forget it's only a great when on sale, otherwise it's merely good) but in Europe it's way too expensive.

Streaming at 100+ fps with those CPUs? Eeeeeeh, not to rain on your parade, but it's not happening.
I'm assuming your connection could handle it?

Budget strict, doesn't tell budget.

#522
Right now is the worst time to upgrade.
New CPUs coming in August. It should also affect the prices of older mainboards
Both the new CPUs (DDR4) and windows 10 will affect RAM prices aswell.
AMD just released new GPUs and the prices will take a bit more time to settle.

#523
It's neither decent nor 1100$?
Unless you aren't in the US it's closer to 1200$ and I doubt it's going to be cheaper outside of the US.

I mean you managed to pick RAM, a case (although there's cheaper) and an OS but that's it.

The CPU doesn't make sense.
The cooler doesn't make sense (CPU can't be overclocked).
The mobo doesn't make sense (CPU can't be overclocked).
The SSD doesn't make sense (500GB but no HDD).
The GPU doesn't make sense (290 already shits on it and is getting even cheaper now with the 390 released).
The PSU doesn't make sense (CX500M 6$ less, CX430 half the price).
The monitor doesn't make sense.
The keyboard/mouse ... oh come on.
The headset ... it's a headset. I mean steelseries siberia ... just no.

I didn't even change the monitor, keyboard/mouse and headset, it's just to show you how much more you could get for less money.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB TurboDuo Video Card ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($40.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VS247H-P 23.6" Monitor ($138.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: SteelSeries Siberia RAW Headset ($46.40 @ Amazon)
Total: $1074.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-20 17:17 EDT-0400

posted about 8 years ago
#8 pc building in Hardware

#6
"Buy a 3 years old overclockable CPU, if you overclock it might last 2 years longer, so only 1 years less than buying a current CPU that's the same price"
Simply brilliant.

#7
You don't trust XFX? Ok.
Let me get this straight: You are dissapointed with the 4690, yet you are absolutely sure that the 10% more performance you might get with the 4690K are definitely worth it and will magically solve all problems? Ok.

posted about 8 years ago
#4 pc building in Hardware

I'd still wait for the GPU prices to drop a bit, 390/390X just got released and that should at least push the 290/290X down.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($232.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($48.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card ($240.00 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($40.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($86.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $891.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-19 10:59 EDT-0400

posted about 8 years ago
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