I always thought it'd be potentially more plausible to run an edited map on the stream side rather than the players side, since you can run demos with edited maps (the process one was running on tf2, while the snake had to be run on sfm in that vid)

I don't know anything about stv or how it works so I'm not sure if you can connect to an stv with an edited map, or if there's some hack-y way to do it, but it seems like it might be a lot of work for what is p much an eye-catching gimmick

having said that I'd like to do more reskins

FOUR days the guy got, to essentially complete a vastly untested map, shocking and beyond unrealistic, especially for a guy who works a full time job in the first place

actually surprised it didn't turn out worse, apparently he had to redo a load of the assets aswell, I wouldn't even have finished that bit in 4 days with a part time job and uni, let alone an actual proper human job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIL9V8pdqgw - konfy by dob

boomer answer but konfy was part of the non-brit dotpixels package (thalash, ipz, smzi, konfy) and was the only one out of the 4 to not go on to play prem, it doesn't look like much nowadays but this was almost 10 years ago, these were a+ rockets at the time

the idea that freaks are paying a minor(?) to pretend to be various anime characters is pretty concerning imo

e- ok wrong about age, wasn't supposed to be rude just assumed off other thread

i'm gonna get destroyed for holding this opinion, but frankly 5cp is fucking TRASH on valve comp and definitely needs to be limited to 2-3 strong maps rather than being the majority

It's just obvious though. You can't play maps that have been built around very good players and their ability to rocket jump properly, rollout properly, push with ubers properly etc, with players who can't do any of this stuff. if you put yourself in the shoes of your average pubber, who cannot rocket jump, why are you going to queue up to play maps where rocket jumping is literally a requirement to play. Even your average valve pub stomper can barely strafe. How playable is process as a soldier if you can't jump through choke? How about if you play offclasses and can't get to half the mid on snakewater? How fun is gullywash when I can literally rollout as demoman and you don't even get to play the mid?

Also, outside of competitive, 5cp is not a popular map type and not a huge amount of pubbers queue for it, usually outside of halloween event stuff, it's the least popular map type out of the main ones, and it's not that much more popular than PLR. Playing VC 5cp is still a completely different world to the majority of players. It's not even close to being marketable.

Valves problem was that they couldn't decide if they were trying to cater to pubbers or comp players, and they've ended up with a service that doesn't serve anyone; you have a competitive pool that contains Swiftwater, Turbine, and Viaduct, and I can only assume these maps have been added because of their history in competitive, but none of these maps work at all on VC. Swiftwater is way too big, Turbine just sucks and Viaduct isn't fun without co-ordination and allows for no flank at all because it's not the pro version. It's borderline unplayable. They have to swap all of the "comp" maps-that-aren't-even-actual-comp-maps out for human player maps that see regular play on pubs, but aren't terrible.
So for example highpass gets played way more than viaduct, so give that one a go and see if it's ok. It can't get much worse than viaduct, so why not at least make an effort? Said effort draws in more players just by default.

I don't think anything from other pug services is required. It just has to be run like matchmaking is for other games, where there is an actual reward for being good, and the devs listen and make changes based off what public players want. Also it can't just randomly change settings. A setting can't be an unfair advantage on competitive only, and perfectly fine on a pub, unless they mean to imply that any unfair advantage on a pub is not a problem.

it's also worth noting the projectile hitbox/bounding box in general is super generous already though, rockets fit through 1hmu gaps and I personally never feel like rockets are going through people, so I don't necessarily even agree that having an exact match to the model is the healthiest way for the game to be

also, this hitbox thing still makes way less difference than the bounding box orientation. given that the bounding box is 49x83x49, the actual in game 'width' of the box varies from 49 to just under 70 depending on your angle (correct me if im wrong pls, iirc this is still true)

not saying that the discussion is pointless but I reckon it's pretty hard to say if we should have a 2 unit difference in nade hitbox when the enemy gamers hitbox is varying by that much more

My biggest issue with this stuff is that I've never ever heard of anyone previously complaining that they thought that loch/stock were underpowered relative to the rest of the game, but now the argument seems like it's whether the iron bomber is fine vs the rest of the game since we now have undeniable proof it is better than other options, which to me is astounding because I've always seen it as the iron bomber is op, but according to demos it's a side grade so not bannable. I think it's crazy because I've lost track of how many kills I get purely because it's iron bomber, and people have been compaining about magnet pipes for ages now aswell.

I don't really have much of an opinion on which projectile size is better for the games health, but if it does turn out that they make all pipes 8x8 instead of 4x4, surely we ban loch n load

It's smaller and doesn't have as much colour to it, so it takes extra ms to register and react to it

uni took my money and won't confirm my returning status, I'm fuming

I understand that there is probably vitriol being thrown at the admins, obviously not a good thing, but to just boil everything down to 'irrelevant personal opinions' and 'pointless meme comments' (with the example being pls have season before 202[1?]) and call that degeneracy I'm really not sure what they're expecting?

even the example he gives could be just extracted as 'I don't consider cups as a valid replacement for 6s' and 'I don't consider highlander a valid replacement for 6s' which are both things the admins clearly weren't 100% sure about. I also can't understand why personal opinions or multiple people saying the same thing is somehow useless? this is literally the basis of feedback

I don't think you can honestly expect an online community to do much more than give their opinions, and if you just discount peoples feedback (and calling it degeneracy is just that,) because it wasn't long enough or was a repeated opinion, or wasn't put in a friendly enough way, I mean I would get ripped to fucking shreds if I tried that when someone gave me feedback about a map

I mean if we're waiting that long can we at least come back and not have to play against engineer

boring to play against, requires no skill, nobody above mid has ever played a 6s match and said oh boy can't wait to set up a sentry on last

just get rid of it

the ones I made could probably be converted into working maps, but I don't have the will to do it cause I'm working on my own map when I start hammer up, especially since reskins would literally be played say twice and never seen again - I was also never that happy with how mine turned out in the first place, I would have liked to have done far more advanced detailing.
(edit - in perspective, the night snowy process took under a day to create, and was created at a point where we didn't think it possible to record on changed geometry, it is literally texture swaps, added models, changed env lighting, added snow and as many snow decals as could fit - once we moved to sfm I had a plan to redo it as a full environment but this never happened)

I don't think cyanic, now that he isn't involved in tf2 anymore, would mind me saying there was originally plans to do an environments 2 that was supposed to go much much further, but I dropped out that project months ago and I'm guessing it's cancelled at this point, which is a shame

if anyone wants the VMFs I worked on I could probably find them on my old drive, but I can safely say I will personally probably never be finishing them up into real conversions, not unless there's a significant call for a pro version or something like that

what website is it supposed to send you to when you log in? nothing opens for me, so I registered on slippi.gg but I don't know how to get that into a dolphin certificate or whatever

I'm not gonna tell you what you can and can't say, word doesn't bother me much, but u walk into a gay bar and go up to a group of men you don't know like 'hey shout out to you faggots' the honest best case scenario is that you've just embarrassed yourself heavily. even if you or tojo or whoever are gay/bi/etc, there are plenty of lgbt people with a dogshit attitude to their community, like me for example, and u only need to wind back a generation to see times when gay men would join skinheads to go gay bashing round here. Doesn't matter if u like men or nah, grim is grim.

you can say whatever you like to your boys, but if you're communicating in a public place why the fuck would u be slurring all the lgbt+ around you who don't know you and don't know you're gay? it's not appropriate, just like it isn't appropriate for me to call my mate a faggot in public, just gives off a shit impression to people who don't know u, makes actual homophobes bolder because they think they're in good company, and I bet you any money there's people that don't like being called fags by gay men or straight men, not everyone was raised in an accepting environment

it's up to you in the end but it is undoubtedly rude. if u feel the need to do it you do you but don't get pissed if people don't like it

why do people always say this as if the community literally wants just prizepools

no

I want someone to give enough of a shit that they bother to change the maps in their ranked, like that's my start point. the part where they make an actual attempt to match even 1% of the enthusiasm

don't forget that ranked matchmaking took them like a year+ and then didn't even satisfy the basic requirements of a ranked system. TF2s ranked was one of the worst implementations of ranked matchmaking ever seen in any popular game.
I would like them to have not have to spend over 2 years getting ranked matchmaking to the point where it is actually even ranked.

the competitive queue was not made by a company who wants to support the scene at all. it is the one tangible thing (oops forgot when they nerfed the parachute!) they have ever contributed to the competitive community, it was shambolic, they fucked it up beyond plausible belief to the point where I genuinely think it was deliberate, and now they can't even be bothered to even attempt to revitalise their queue by changing the maps up or just adding a contract that says 'win x competitive matches' to try and get a couple more people to try it, both things are not exactly massive tasks that would add value to the pubber side and help funnel more people in our direction.

I know you're as old school as I am, so you probably also remember the times when quotes from the tf2 team were (and still are occasionally) used on pretty much every tf2 board to dismiss the 6v6 scene as not proper tf2, a sentiment which continues to this day.
Did you feel that valve was supportive back then? What changed since then that makes you feel that way now? I know you've interacted with the tf2 team before so I'm genuinely asking.