I just put the 4 teams that won the qualifiers and the top two NA teams. Given that serpents and suave beat the rest of prem in the qualifiers I do not see how the lineup that played in the qualifiers was low prem.

The question was if there was 6 good teams, not if it was possible. I agree getting the american teams was impossible unless they wanted to fund all of it themselves. But suave and serpents got 1000 euros and are european so seeing them was not out of the question.

Also on a side note, I think this is the first competition ive seen in a while where the qualifiers have more money than the actual event. It feels like another person/company said they would fund the final thing but then pulled out because having it such that winning a qualifier gives you more money than getting 2nd place at the actul event seems very strange.

Perilous, nameless, suave, serpents, ronin, froyotech.

There you go 6 top tier teams that would be an interesting tournament

how is the prize pool being split up, and will there be a 3rd/4th place match?

The automatic mode, can either be set to matchmaking only, all games or off. You can manually record any games you like.

In the email kaneco linked earlier the support for mp_tournament 1 and status screenshots should be coming soon™

We are waiting for the end of season 10 to start work on distributing the 6v6 S22 and S23 and HL S9 and S10.

And no the season hasnt ended until the wrap up post.

Awesome!

Does anyone know if comp matches means all tournament matches or just matchmaking?

Edit: Based on my testing it is only matchmaking, so if you want automatic recording you still need prec.

This also doesnt take status screenshots, so for etf2l I would still recommend using prec. Maybe if there is some way in the etf2l/ugc/esea cfgs to make the game record.

I wasnt so much meaning you with the criticising admins that was more towards other people in the thread who seem to think that all admins are idiots for no reason without realising that a large reason that tf2 isnt 100% dead is due to the volunteers.

I agree exclusivity might seem mad but if it is needed to get the deal then it might used to have/be a good deal. If you have any other sponsors if you can tell either myself or sonny who they are then we can start a dialogue and see where that goes.
Small note it isnt 1k a year it is 4k a year, 1k per season.

Maybe if we can get more money in we can look to start hiring people to improve the site, but there are so many hypotheticals. I agree trying to get more sponsorship should be our first step.

1. The deal with have the ttesports prevents any other hardware manufactures or competitors of theirs being sponsors. The only person who knows the full details of any league sponsorship deals is sonny, as a league admin I try help run the league as best I can but as for sponsors when the only people we can really look to are community sites, such as marketplace, there isnt a lot of money floating around.

2. As for people blocking the "marketability" of etf2l's website I have no knowledge of this, although currently most of the effort is in just keeping it working. we dont have the money or resources of somewhere like razer, esl or esea. While I agree the current form of etf2l is not sufficient for possible futures where tf2 grows. But I disagree that people will have to go elsewhere I more see that as etf2l has an established reputation etf2l will still be a central part of tf2 just hopefully with more support from sponsors that would allow us to offer things that esea or esl do.

3. As repulsive people find etf2l/ugc/esea admins we do run the leagues you play in, and in etf2ls case for free. We are also still people so for people to label all etf2l admins as incompetent fools who dont care/have no idea about the game is ignorant and insulting.

But tftv is supposed to be the home of comp tf2 including hl

oh wait.

This is so true, ondkaja may say there are 200 teams, of which 100 are open and 50 are mid. All of which feel they have no hope in hell in getting anything from it. You can say maybe you see getting to the 2nd round or whatever is an achievement. but it doesnt feel like an achievement say as a mid team if you play one close game say vs another mid team then get smashed by a prem team.

I agree most high teams should sign up as they have a chance at least of pulling an upset. but suggesting that there are 200 potential teams for these cups is ridiculous.

If they have seen it all with regards to online then they should be interested in playing lan? So if they wanted to play lan they play the qualifier. Yet if they only play the online qualifer and not turn up to lan how are they burnt with online when the only tf2 they will play is the online component and wont go to lan?

I understand that players burn out and dont want to play a season, then they should go to a lan that only lasts a few days. But they dont they just play the online component that you say they are burnt out on.

No they want the money, they dont care about the future of tf2 because they see nothing for themselves to gain from tf2 growing. So they take the money out of tf2 and let the community fund teams going to lans despite sponsors putting up money but that money gets taken out of the community by people who dont give a shit.

You are going against the work that many volunteers put in to try and grow this scene. I know I sound whiny and it doesnt matter much in the end, I just wish people who dont care about tf2 stay out of tf2 and let those who still enjoy this dying game do so and to not actively prevent us from doing so. I dont care if you earnt the money, if you want money go play cs or overwatch let the small amount of money that is in tf2 stay in tf2 rather than go to people who are just going to go play overwatch anyway.

Id disagree im more disappointed in that dreamhack will be less competitive and that the old players arent staying around, they have proven themselves to be better than lego publiclir which is why them going to lan would be so exciting to see if they can beat perilous and namless on lan but when their attitude to going to lan is lol maybe it is infuriating if you want to see tf2 develop. The invite to the tournament should be the main prize not the money.

I agree they deserve the win but what I am annoyed by is their apathy towards tf2, it is hurting the scene and going against the work that sideshow and others have put in to try and get something happening. What would an organiser/sponsor think when they ask what happened to two of the invited teams and sideshow has to answer "oh they just signed up for the money and dont give a shit about this game." That isnt going to attract people or sponsors we cant claim to be a small well supported community when the chance we get to go to a competitive lan get some of the best teams there and half of the top scene doesnt give a shit.

the rarity of money is why when it is in tf2 it should be used to help/incentivise growth in tf2/tf2 events. I dont know how long it will be until we get another 4000 euros thrown our way the fact that half of it is just being taken out of the community because teams who dont want to/cant use it to help the community got it.

that is probably about 15% of the annual prize money that tf2 gets in europe, from etf2l dreamhack and i58, out of the scene. That is assuming that europe gets a significant portion of the i58 money. If we had 10s or hundreds of thousands of euros in tf2 then 2000 going else where wouldnt be an issue. But we dont.

Committing to a season is much more long term commitment than a weekend for a cup. Also that is why I want this team at the lan but they dont care enough about tf2 to commit to a lan or a season.

So why havent they tried to find a new demo with all the time they have now before dreamhack starts, I think outside of mike most of suave was not that commited to going, and are almost using war as a shield for why the team wont work. If svmzi kiler and mike really want to suave to go they could but they arent that bothered abotu tf2 anymore, as proven by them not playing in this prem season, which they could have used to practice with a new demo/roamer? yet despite them not caring they still played took the spot and the money from teams who still care about this game.

Imo the tournament should be able getting the chance to go to dreamhack more than the money, if you make the money conditional on going it would be a better thing. Also war never had any intentions in going so if suave really were serious about going they would have gotten a roster with people who at least had some intention in going, if work or whatever comes up I can understand but war has never intended on going.

As I said earlier the money should be used to help teams get to lan there isn't currently enough money in tf2 to throw away this kind of money. Even if those people "won" the 1000 euros if they care about the future of tf2 then they should use it to help other teams get to lan. But as I established I dont think suave does they have been out of this game for a while and just saw it as a chance to get easy money. I'm not sure if serpents were intending on taking part but given none of them immediately said they weren't going despite winning 1000 euros to help them go I believe they would like to take part visa issues might just prevent them.

edit: If the money is a primary thing over the invite then what is the point of calling it a qualifier if the money is more sought after than the invite, if no teams want to attend and they just want the money host a series of cups with 1000 euro prizes and give out the invites to whoever will actually turn up. Having half the qualified teams not turn up makes this not a qualifier but a series of 1000 euro cups