Come on man. There's no way you can cling to the notion that you've taken this seriously or are at all personally invested. You've long since moved on from TF2 as a serious endeavour and as such these sorts of lingering responsibilities are of no importance to you - you dealt with them lightheartedly at the best of times. That's completely fine but you've been caught out now so just deal with the problem and that can be that.

"admins"

Why would anyone think he should talk to someone who only produced TF2 in recent times? The way the game is spectated has changed and evolved massively over the years, if you can't explain how we got to where we are now your information isn't as valuable.

www.twitch.tv/kaidus

classic esports putting asians on a pedestal

You certainly can when it's a ranking of performance at i58.....

It's worth pointing out that that tweet was a second meeting that happened because etf2l admins were not able to make the original one. It doesn't fully represent the balance of the discussion.

Having said that, I definitely don't think there was enough player representation. Particularly from Europe.

What are these map win/loss stats? They don't look remotely accurate.

ur off the hook full tilt

what was last time?

To what principle are you appealing when you say it "should" be this way or that way? It could be either, it's just a preference for what you value in the game. The crux here is that valve are completely disconnected from the scene and forcing this decision at the expense of years of holistic growth. It's also massively hypocritical as this sort of organic process is exactly what they preach as being their method and the reason for their inaction the rest of the time. CS has succeeded in spite of valve; the fact that almost everyone involved in making it a success finds this decision so ridiculous says a lot.

I don't understand where half your points are coming from. At no point did I say you shouldn't ask for computers and hotel rooms, but just ask for them - don't pretend you are slumming it and exploring every possible avenue when this entire thing is completely half assed, reeking of entitlement and about two months shy of being in a fashion timely enough to not warrant a bit of humility in the plea.

The monitor thing is fair enough if that's the case, but if you can dip into savings to repay them later I don't really understand why that's not an option for LAN since you will soon be paid extortionate amounts of money to attend school (whilst having 0 outgoings) if my understanding of the Danish education system is correct. It's fairly obvious you just don't want to, which I wouldn't bother to criticise on its own but when coupled with a post like the original is very disingenuous.

This has to be one of the most BS fund raisers I've ever seen in this game. I don't object to fundraisers at all, I'm aware that people can donate as they see fit but there is so much deliberate misdirection here.

"We have also been able to reduce costs by contributing individually where we can.."
What does this mean exactly? As far as I can tell the only expenses that aren't listed in the breakdown is the £40 it will cost kos and mike collectively to get to the LAN, and Mikes accommodation which is entirely separate. The tickets were given to you for free which is left out of this information (so potential donators are led to believe you actually bought something on your own), are you honestly asking people to believe that despite "caring only about LAN" for the past 6 months that the six of you can only come up with enough money for two British people to travel to a British LAN, and even go as far as asking for £60 for another British person to get to the event.. Considering one of your players just dropped £250 or so on a monitor that he doesn't need (at all) earlier this week, this is just bullshit.

"and shoving more people into a hotel room than is advised."
5 people in two rooms. Considering there is already next-to free "rough" accommodation at the event, asking for one hotel room seems entirely sufficient. Fair enough if you want to get two, but don't make it sound like you are significantly cutting corners here. This is one guy sleeping on the floor, maybe you rotate so it's a different person on the floor for one night each. It's completely disingenuous to even suggest that this is a noteworthy sacrifice, it's just carefully worded to maintain the farce that you've done anything or made any sort of contributions as a team.

You even ask for money for a PC for alle when he plays on a laptop at home, yet still try to maintain the impression you are keeping this as low-budget as possible? There are also numerous viable options for free PCs that certain members of your team definitely know about, but instead go straight to asking for money. I guarantee if you don't hit the fundraising goal, you will still have six players at LAN with entirely adequate computers and monitors.

It seems to me that you need roughly half of the money you're asking for, and the fact you've been talking about going to this event for so long makes it ridiculous that only kos and mike can cover/contribute to their own costs. I'm aware you had a "sponsor" until a few months ago and this will probably be the excuse of choice, but it's really not a good one when you consider what that sponsor was and how long ago that became obvious even to you guys. Also to be clear I'm not suggesting people shouldn't donate, I hope they still do because the event is better with you there but just be honest about the circumstances and most people will still donate to see a good event. No need to trick the rest.

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