Why is coalplant on this list -- this shit hasn't been on the 6s map rotation for almost a decade.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314630582925524992/1185382937248661554/image.png?ex=658f68e3&is=657cf3e3&hm=2482fcf2f4794fcf9ee39a84f3bee15b080ada7497f092d327932a6164a92827&;

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314630582925524992/1185382725214031974/WeirdDude.png?ex=658f68b1&is=657cf3b1&hm=7517cce56b5c7af46742b3864692d1d858545ed5e1d36084885d4e4ea255ba1d&;

The last time I've seen coalplant played was on tagg's channel:

https://youtu.be/LRDn3NPE0Jg

https://clips.twitch.tv/TastyFantasticJuiceFUNgineer-b-TE7eypYopZsqiG

Juustin
United States
https://www.twitch.tv/fancybuttler
RGL

Stream pugs and pugs (both 6s & HL)

I mean you can if you're talking about RGL PUGs, there is a queue called "6S CAPTAIN" -- below it a "captain" opt in option so it isn't RNG:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314630582925524992/1174968931216281640/image.png?ex=65698617&is=65571117&hm=96a0f2db54128af0611af0bf3672010b86f48923d94472dc24a8c9dee601db76&;

But what we wanted to test yesterday was its "6s Open" System. I honestly think RGL can improve it, allowing for balanced automated pugs that are ready to play in that instance.

Recent review for "6s open" on the site "Pugs.tf.plus" or RGL Alpha Pugs. Don't see a "feedback" channel on the discord, plus the message is too long if I put it in the discussions, so I'm just dropping it here because several issues occurred.

1. First pug: https://logs.tf/3531187#76561198121922413

1.1. issues:

• When the pug started, the server wouldn't load, and giving us the message "bad password." We had to approx wait 10-15 minutes before an admin could get the server to restart. This set in low expectation, as when playing HL pugs, the servers would load immediately. Was it different when attempting to starts a 6s pug?

1.2. Pug Experience:

• Despite the intial servers issues, the pug went "smoothly" and no other server issues occuring. The pug ended on a 5-1 -- I guess in-relation to issues, EU players can add up to NA pug? as i saw two players with 130-150+ ping? Suprisingly, they joined VC and gave coms, so I didn't think too much of it in end -- started the pug anyways.

2. "Second Pug" : https://logs.tf/3531376#76561198121922413

2.1. issues:

• When picking maps, most if not everyone picked koth_bagel to start of this pug. But apparently when joining the server, it was stuck on pl_upward_f10. Again, we waited 10+ minutes for an admin before everyone just decided to just start pug anyways. It lasted 4 minutes until the server restarted.

2.2. Pug Experience:

• Mudane in the waiting experience. Those 4 minutes where unironically fun though....

3. Third Pug: https://logs.tf/3531379#76561198121922413

3.1. issues:

• When enough players added, the "picking system" started and it seemed, IMO, create a really unbalanced pug. I feel whatever "balancing system" -- if it does have one -- doesn't work at all. Also, some players apparently don't have elo, such as the player "happycool" before the pug started, despite being an invite player: https://rgl.gg/Public/PlayerProfile?p=76561198048694198
  

  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334443589402755082/1174822327750496406/RGLNOELO.png?ex=6568fd8e&is=6556888e&hm=daae30c4fa44d3de091a69dc199e03fdc07391afed344892804947c84febdc6a&;

  
  *example of happycool & others without elo*
  
  
• Begining the pug, it started as normal with players starting to join their teams UNTIL the server was raided. Despite having low expectation, I thought it would at least have some security similar to faceit to stop unauthorized players joining. But nope, it was too the point that players accepted it and just run with the pug to not get banned.

3.2. Pug Experience:

• it was 7v7... wow, I love prolander! Unironically, not the 6s experience I was looking for.

fellow pugmas, would you kindly add up to RGL PUGs? https://pugs.tf.plus/pug

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334443589402755082/1174485368645615767/Would_You_Kindly.webp?ex=6567c3bc&is=65554ebc&hm=f4f8eccd055a27bf3f7b85822f0d43389f875caaec828d828ee8e9e920fbdf8b&;

Any current issues I have with RGL Pugs is that sometimes servers *appear* and *disappear* randomly. As example:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334443589402755082/1174090101526122637/image.png?ex=6566539d&is=6553de9d&hm=bfc296a96587a256f5cbd4aebc332a8601572edad7caf8ebce10f3de849d8fc4&;

As of now currently, when joining the website, I don't seem this message above. So, my assumption is servers seem to be available now? -- though, typically from what I've seen is that its 1-2 servers max? which are typically held hostage by two HL queues lol.

I guess one of my current feedback to them is clarify how many servers they have available for X amount of PUGs?

Any-case, I'M willing to attempt to try RGL PUGs again today before and after scrims. Maybe earliest at 6-8 pm est?

I think a side note is how its kind of disappointing that top invite streamers haven't been incentivized to promote and play RGL pugs. You think when the alpha came out, people would be swarming... but no... I think it was again, because the server availability issue?

It might be more of an issue on RGL part in terms of self-promotion. You would think someone working on RGL PUGs, needing feedback, would create and push a TFTV thread: "RGL PUGs ALPHA -- NEED TESTERS AND FEEDBACK 11/X"
but nothing of the sort. Or even on its main-page for that matter. Pressing the "Pick-Up Games" I thought it would go to the alpha website, but it was just this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334443589402755082/1174431524897181746/image.png?ex=65679197&is=65551c97&hm=0948405cb7fdd117fa345eb0941bc7c35ed0fd7d207baff234cba28d63a977b1&;

I LOVE PROLANDER!!! :D

I decided to make this thread to see the communities ideas on what their ideal pug system would look like.

The other reason is that I've heard many frustrated players -- specifically here in NA -- that their hasn't been an ideal hub for 6s PUGs -- for both low, mid, and/or high division players alike.

While popular in-house pugs have been on the rise, such as PugHub -- which is open up for players between AM-INV -- I don't believe its what players are 'essentially' looking for.

I believe what players want is "automation". Essentially, players want to be able to add up with the convince of a button -- something similar to faceit.

To begin, this pug site/system would have (in no particular order):

1. The convenience of choosing your class -- something similar to RGL PUGs.
   
   
2. A vote for where the server is located; players shouldn't be inhibited to a certain location and be able to balance ping. (West Coast bias)
   
   
3. If servers are limited, players should be able to host a PUG on their own server, something similar to TF2center -- unless ELO / Rank MM is involved
   
   
4. This pug site/system should have both rank and unranked MM PUGs.
   
   4.1. unranked will perhaps work as a faceit/in-house pug system where two of the 12 will be chosen as medic but will receive a voucher to be able to player their combat class for the next pug.
   
   4.2. Rank should be divided into three or four divisions. HIGH [ INV/ADV(?)] / MID [ADV-IM] / OPEN [IM/AM/NC] / NEWCOMER
   
   
5. The pug picking system should go as the following: 1 (A) --> 1 (B) --> 1 (A) --> 1 (B) --> 1 (A) --> 2 (B) --> 2 (A) --> 1 (B)
   
   
6. Balancing system (unranked only?)
   
   
7. Report/behavior System
   
   7.1. Players can report players for misbehavior/misconduct. For the opposite, players can 'appraise' another player, highly regarded by their skill or communication.
   
   7.1.2. Players appraised would get specifically recommendations to captains choosing players -- both unranked and ranked
   
8. Global chat (?)
   
   8.1. [ Mixed feelings as its requires someone to moderate chat ]
   
   
9. Maps are pick/bans until 2 maps are left; all players should be able to vote which map they want to play. If votes are split, flip a coin system.
   
   
10. Mandatory voice-chat, specifically on discord; mumble as an alternative.
    
    10.1. [mixed opinions on mumble as I've seen past streams were the voice-chat gets raided easily]

Wish I can say more, but nothing else at my mind at the moment. Will edit more if I have any.

Apologies again if some seem out of order, vague, or just not further discussed. These, to emphasized, are far from the realm of reality and are instead fantasied expectations on what this theoretical site would have.

IMO, its just not an ideal pug system anymore -- and I feel its because of the following three reason:

1. Team balance is virtually impossible

You'll always find a trend of players adding up to stack the lobby, getting steamrolls. Don't even get me started on the lobbies "balancing" system if you were to even turn it on.
In addition, from time to time, the lobby host will just kick people at random, often trying to get a slot open for a friend.

I also don't think "hours" or "lobbies" stats doesn't really assess someones skills and I feel can be an intimation factor for new players when adding into a pug.

2. The "team environment" when the lobby starts

I have a mixed opinion on this; but general, its not a great experience. Its can be a resulting of many things, people throwing the pug, people not talking, players forcing their med to take random ubers, scouts NOT BUILDING ubers, players feeding for random picks when defending, no coordination in mids. I feel this is more common in lobbies then lets say a random in-house pug.

Sometimes it feels like a numbness DM match. I just want some type of team coordination man. Often more or not, people will just straight up leave a TF2lobby then trying to finish it at the end, killing the morale -- sometimes straight ending the pug.

3. Limitations

This part can be a lot of things, but in general to start of with is how med requires 10 lobbies -- IN COMBAT. I would rather have a newer medic play med then force them onto combat. Its why my friend who played medic could never get into 6s -- for him it seemed like a huge hurdle. You can argue that they can force through it and shit the bed, but that's still 10 lobbies getting ruined -- that or lobby owners just kicks/bans them next pug.

In addition to that, to even create a lobby, you need approx. 50 lobbies? To some, that isn't a lot, but when you're competing for a specific class slot you want to play on, its going to take a hot minute. Even IF YOU DO get to ability to create a lobby, iirc, there's a maximum numbers of NA lobbies that can be created? Like 2-3 max?

The only thing I feel is good about TF2center is the ability to host on your own server, the game mode type, and the maps. Emphasis on the map part because you can choose variety of maps -- even experimental ones -- versus the default of most in-house pugs. I played a granary pug earlier, while we lost, I had some cool moments.

Any-case, most pug players are just looking to play the default, so sometimes its impossible to run alternative maps.

Agree on the drafting part. I think to newer players, it was a foreign concepts. Many players I knew complained about captains -- specifically the newer players -- didn't know know which player to choose, leading to unbalance pugs. Despite that, faceit players at least put the effort/coordination in that pug comparative to a TF2center lobby.

Honestly, I just want a pug site where its just says "Add up" with two options, "combat" or "Med". When a pug starts, combat players can COMMUNICATE which classes they want play, instead of forced classes. That or a flip a coin system lol.

Honestly, the website that's closes to that experience is probably "tf2pickup". Unfortunately it doesn't provide services to NA 6s iirc. From what I've seen though, its HL equivalent pops off from time to time: https://hl.tf2pickup.us/

ehh, 50/50 on this. IMO, RGL Pugs are bad for a different reason. That being, it only has 1 FUCKING SERVER available, SHARED BETWEEN HL PUGS! Unless its been fixed atm (haven't checked the website for a few weeks) 0_0

Anything else was just disappointment on the website design? Though, I can't blame them, iirc, the original designer left the team? I was really hoping it was going look more like this: https://rgl.gg/?a=1484 . But, its whatever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://elliottower.pixieset.com/localhostphilly2023/

Uploaded Oct. 14

bear usually uploads his photos after a week or two on his gallery

Unless you were talking about like LAN team photo shoots 0_0

https://clips.twitch.tv/SullenVictoriousHabaneroShadyLulu-2XrKjjEqKURn_FC9

https://youtu.be/u_FkeGkoPy4

Ford Gaming -- a 2023 LAN tribute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A2s0oq0HJI

2nd attempt at making a 'clipdump'; sorry for cringe black borders, wanted to use some older clips I recorded/clipped

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357739761311547392/1138199349952782366/image.png

idk if this is counts as one.. but this was "SETUP" in 2017 when I was playing in Lobbies in TF2C... I can see the fucking the gully demo I used to make some demo review omg.

but the main point is... THE REDDRAGON MOUSE WAS GOATED!!!!

headset wise at that time... I probably used this hoe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362409146059980800/500444872000667648/image.jpg