This guy destroyed me in our match lol

hot.

Thanks for the info. I already submitted my demos there, and a couple to defy. I don't know if cyzer would review open demos, seeing as it's not technically high open.

Hello, I am a roamer in ESEA-O for lockdown. We're 6-6 atm.
This is my first season, and I feel like I've improved a lot and want to continue to improve.
I log in over 110 hours every 2weeks so I'm on a lot, and I love reviewing demos.

I just feel it'd be a great experience to have someone mentor me, and I'm really motivated to improve. I shouldn't be a waste of your time.

http://tf2demos.com/demo/1360559588/lockdown-vs
This is a scrim on badlands, but a very good one. We lose 3-5.
I play roamer in open.

http://tf2demos.com/demo/1360559588/lockdown-vs
Scratch the demo in the first post, this one is longer and a lot better imo.

Do more pls <3

http://tf2demos.com/demo/1360493250/lockdown-vs-very-good-bad-boys

Here is another, on badlands this time.
This is our first time scrimming badlands as a team, and the first time I've played on it in at least a couple of months so it is rather chaotic at times.
ie. I NEED ADVICE ON THIS MAP :P <3

I believe a scrim is for trying things, like you said pugging is. A match is more of you know what do to and don't try new things, not necessarily a scrim.
I usually get multiple people to review my demos to get a wide view, and I try the advice in scrims and such. Reviewing demos also does this better imo.

Pugging could be good I guess. I think it'd be more of a hassle trying to find a good one where one side isn't rolled, people comm'ing and giving advice, than just doing something that will most likely be helpful 100% of the time. 1 out of the 15 pugs I've played was like that. I can't lie, I learned a little bit, but that was so long ago.

I'm led to believe it's mostly personal preference either way, but I do think reviewing demos helps a lot more than pugging.

I really like this priority. It's nearly identical to mine.
Guess it's not a coincidence that a lot of my advice comes from youmustmike lol.

I'm into comp. I'm in open and classified as mid, maybe higher idk, but I do have the basics down, I think pugs helps with that much like newbie mixes did. I am a roamer so I do believe that what I'm doing is better for me really.

I do see the dm aspect as a good idea, but I mean I'd rather just go into a dm server, it's not world changing, and I feel that I'd be doing more shooting and less respawning/stalemating.

MGE, jumping, and surfing are things I like to do rather than pug or pub. They don't necessarily make me better at anything really, but they aren't completely useless.

Thanks for the rant boomer it was a good read ^.^

I review invite/IM demos usually as a whole, like an overhead view to get an idea on the whole game rather than just one person.

I love 6s in an organized competitive sense, like in scrims and matches, but not pugs.
I usually do A LOT of demo work (not demoman). I go over all the invite matches, go over my own povs with others, submit them for reviews on streams, ask better players to coach and mentor. I do A LOT of jumping, bball, and recently dm and a tiny bit of MGE & surfing, but I NEVER pug.

The pocket and scout on my team told me "you'll never get better unless you pug". This isn't generalized, it's directed towards me.

So what do you guys think? Is pugging necessary or even good for learning comp? I know from the pugs I did I didn't learn anything, and if I did it usually never works in an organized scrim. Or at least it's easily counter-able by a good team.

I wanna hear your guys' thoughts.

Edit: I am a roamer if that changes your advice and such.

September 2012 (half a yearish)
Wish I started sooner..

I'm here too if you need stuffs