It’ll be honestly way better than having to shift through forums, YouTube videos, discord servers, websites that you probably didn’t know existed till looking up things, what have you just to figure out what the hell does this specific term means, hell we can’t even agree on certain callouts or terms like gullywash’s elbow or is it banana?? You have to do homework on this gamemode just to feel like you are contributing in some way let alone know what the hell is going on. Which is fine, but be consistent, we are definitely not consistent in many ways, different regions with different rulesets and whitelists, different callouts for the same spots on the same maps, hell grape juice had to make a video about terminology’s of comp tf2 because how poorly people used them.

It’ll at least be something is what I’m trying to say for the community to direct the new players to to ease them in more easier.

you are right tho we have to put the work in or even could’ve done it awhile back when VScript came out which really got on my nerves when it came out barely anyone cared about it in this community, at least from what I saw.

just saw the video and yeah that's rough for how long and complicated it is, how can we not do that if we want to make a short but effective tutorial if we decide to do that?

all I can think of is give the essentials and make the complicated stuff more optional to read or learn.

I would say not mention a lot of the terms that higher level players use and let them learn that on their own or have it as an optional thing for them to read, same with some callouts with that website that shows all the callouts for every map, but give universal callouts like choke, last, 2nd, mid, etc.

S TF2 Guides can be a good example to go by

this is just the rough draft of the idea, but feel free to add your thoughts.

what did they do? i never played dota 2.

I will say one big thing for the community, we need some kind of tutorial for new players who are interested and downloads the mod to help them understand and help them get up to speed with changes if anything, that's all I want honestly.

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it's gonna be fun for me to watch both casual and hard stuck comp players react to that

Edited the Firesidecasts documentaries, it isn't a bad thought with the thought of the community behind it and NOT to help it be an Esport. I know joining with Fireside I thought if we had more stories besides b4nny then we can get somewhere and people will be more interested in the scene, which did work to a degree. When people found out ROME ( https://youtu.be/bs0wrRWYm0U?si=xOILJmH9z-2odoG0 ) broke up it was an instant turn off to a lot of people, before that they were excited and we had more views on our stream on a low invite team than most because they knew the story behind it thus got invested. The highlander one ( https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSw7XtwkU5aQH81veh2Y_nJgsencBXmpj&si=3Bd5DHAn7rVbmqqb ) inspired people but it's tough to get 9 people including you to join a league unless you have all the time in the world so ultimately a turn off as well.

I'm more hoping our recap series will be more helpful to connect the scene and also get people interested in the scene as well since the history of the players and stuff going on in the scene is right there and who ever watches it can go "who is this "Yight" guy and why is he so important when he left the B4nny team Froyotech?" and also "B.A.S.E JUMPER IS UNBANNED?!?" etc.

I always appreciate Siyo for his work, without him I'd probably be pumping out bad inconsistent videos with no connection with players and staff members and all so thank him for most of the leg work.

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chicken alfredo is banger

well that sucks, but they have every right to feel that way so. ggs

Can we disclose why the discussion is off or no?

if there is no ROME I'm not watching

I didn’t think of that with zesty in mind I thought that with the new comp players or people interested in comp in mind. But you are right, people try to fight against unbanning weapons and most of their arguments have little to no knowledge on 6s in terms of how the game flows or how one unban can change the game drastically.

I honestly just think that people are more influenced by a high edit video essays on how “X is broken” and if we make something like that debunking all the claims with evidence the only people who argue against will be the zesty followers.

I am willing to help anyway I can if that were the case

honestly, this is something more drastic of a situation than we think, we are talking about a stubborn man who has done surface level research on competitive (because he doesn't care about it), has only experienced A 6v6 valve comp match and deemed it bad and never played it again, he always said "TF2 was always made with casual in mind" which is not true but fully believes that, and has witnessed quickplay being taken away from him and only watched (after mym) as the comp players going back to the community 6s, keeping the weapons banned (mostly just base jumper now) even after the nerfs on the weapons. (which is understandable).

All he has seen and experienced is bad along side other games that tried to go for the E-Sport route just going to shit, dying, becoming unfun overtime, or just see toxic people come out because of competitive. He has never seen the bright side of it like, honing your skills, feeling more proud as you win a championship, making friends that push you to your limits, etc.

with the new video about "valve catering to competitive" coming in October I'm sure he has already made up his mind and won't change let alone agree to what you have to say when it comes to misconceptions.

if you are gonna discuss with him about this tho, try and find common ground first and talk him through step by step about each topic, but he might just not take it seriously at all and just try and make you look like the fool.

my solution, is to have an accessable 6s newbie only lobby (only accessible in newbie mixes or TF2CC) with the meta being the main thing but let players play full time offclassing, let them experience the flaws of the classes, that is the best way to teach someone instead of explaining it to them.

literally all I can think of as a solution is to have a newbie category and have to play a certain amount of games to go through until they are allowed in open/captain pugs, let's say random number 300-500 games or at least a season, to get the gist if not fundamentals of 6s/highlander.

any other solutions or thoughts?