elliott_DunderBroAlso side note, who is jordan baker, was she a friend of daisy? I never got that, in retrospect I probably should have read this book in swedish :(
Pls no a lot of the appeal is the absolutely gorgeous prose the guy did. It'd be like reading translated poetry.
Yeah I figured this was the case that's why I picked up the english version.
[quote=elliott_][quote=DunderBro]Also side note, who is jordan baker, was she a friend of daisy? I never got that, in retrospect I probably should have read this book in swedish :([/quote]
Pls no a lot of the appeal is the absolutely gorgeous prose the guy did. It'd be like reading translated poetry.[/quote]
Yeah I figured this was the case that's why I picked up the english version.
Oh man, just read it because I hate sleep. Guess I'll have watch the movie now as well.
Oh man, just read it because I hate sleep. Guess I'll have watch the movie now as well.
Classical literature is almost as bad as classical music. Buncha hacks. Thank god people have learned to think since forever ago.
Classical literature is almost as bad as classical music. Buncha hacks. Thank god people have learned to think since forever ago.
ikpurelolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who are smart enough studied it in higher ed to understand.
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.
[quote=ikpure]lolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who [s] are smart enough[/s] studied it in higher ed to understand.[/quote]
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.
Noraikpurelolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i'm get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who are smart enough studied it in higher ed to understand./quote]
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.
it seemed he only dated her because she looked like a guy
[quote=Nora][quote=ikpure]lolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i'm get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who [s] are smart enough[/s] studied it in higher ed to understand./quote]
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.[/quote]
it seemed he only dated her because she looked like a guy
dingoNoraikpurelolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i'm get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who are smart enough studied it in higher ed to understand./quote]
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.
it seemed he only dated her because she looked like a guy
he got grossed out by his ex's sweaty pseudo-mustache, but i mean idk how he defines masculinity soooo rofl
[quote=dingo][quote=Nora][quote=ikpure]lolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i'm get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who [s] are smart enough[/s] studied it in higher ed to understand./quote]
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.[/quote]
it seemed he only dated her because she looked like a guy[/quote]
he got grossed out by his ex's sweaty pseudo-mustache, but i mean idk how he defines masculinity soooo rofl
NoradingoNoraikpurelolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i'm get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who are smart enough studied it in higher ed to understand.
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.
it seemed he only dated her because she looked like a guy
he got grossed out by his ex's sweaty pseudo-mustache, but i mean idk how he defines masculinity soooo rofl
fixed your quotes
[quote=Nora][quote=dingo][quote=Nora][quote=ikpure]lolwhat? people think i don't know what i'm talking about because they're unaware of my education? i'm get this book, and talked a lot about it - in college. my teachers agreed that i did a good job talking about it. i guess there aren't that many people who [s] are smart enough[/s] studied it in higher ed to understand.[/quote]
you're right, though. imo Jordan Baker seemed kinda gay, too.[/quote]
it seemed he only dated her because she looked like a guy[/quote]
he got grossed out by his ex's sweaty pseudo-mustache, but i mean idk how he defines masculinity soooo rofl[/quote]
fixed your quotes
SocialistFishAtrocityI skimmed through and since it looks like no one answered yet, I believe she was a friend. In terms of story, she's not a MAJOR character. In terms of literary analysis, she's important, she breaks the archetype of women. Women are depicted as in Daisy's case, you have a dominating husband, submissive, etc. However, Jordan was a successful golfer, she was independent, so she broke that stereotype and that was her role in the story, to give a different view and to challenge the idea of the "beautiful fool" in the book. Well maybe not challenge, but to contrast.
I disagree with your interpretation of Jordan. She represents the "ideal" woman of the modern era, which was rich, beautiful, and successful. You can see this in the way that Nick describes first Jordan as if she was posing for an artist. I feel like you paint her in too much of a positive light; she cheated to win the golf tournament, she lies and is only concerned with herself. Also Daisy is not with Tom because he is dominating and she is submissive, it's because she values class and the comforts of bourgeois life. If anything she is destructive and is able to get away with it because she is a wealthy woman who can hide behind her money. just my thoughts though
A good person or not, to be able to have the wits to cheat and lie still shows she isn't a "fool". But in a sense, almost every rich person was living a false world imo, I think Nick was the only person to see through that. But yes Daisy is with Tom due to the wealth but isn't Daisy still the women every other women wants to be? Look at Myrtle for example, she loved Tom for his money. So I still have the idea of how Daisy is a bit of the ideal women/archetype, but I see what you mean and you do have good points.
The beauty of literature, if you have evidence to back up your claim, then there is not a necessarily "wrong" answer.
[quote=SocialistFish][quote=Atrocity]I skimmed through and since it looks like no one answered yet, I believe she was a friend. In terms of story, she's not a MAJOR character. In terms of literary analysis, she's important, she breaks the archetype of women. Women are depicted as in Daisy's case, you have a dominating husband, submissive, etc. However, Jordan was a successful golfer, she was independent, so she broke that stereotype and that was her role in the story, to give a different view and to challenge the idea of the "beautiful fool" in the book. Well maybe not challenge, but to contrast.[/quote]
I disagree with your interpretation of Jordan. She represents the "ideal" woman of the modern era, which was rich, beautiful, and successful. You can see this in the way that Nick describes first Jordan as if she was posing for an artist. I feel like you paint her in too much of a positive light; she cheated to win the golf tournament, she lies and is only concerned with herself. Also Daisy is not with Tom because he is dominating and she is submissive, it's because she values class and the comforts of bourgeois life. If anything she is destructive and is able to get away with it because she is a wealthy woman who can hide behind her money. just my thoughts though[/quote]
A good person or not, to be able to have the wits to cheat and lie still shows she isn't a "fool". But in a sense, almost every rich person was living a false world imo, I think Nick was the only person to see through that. But yes Daisy is with Tom due to the wealth but isn't Daisy still the women every other women wants to be? Look at Myrtle for example, she loved Tom for his money. So I still have the idea of how Daisy is a bit of the ideal women/archetype, but I see what you mean and you do have good points.
The beauty of literature, if you have evidence to back up your claim, then there is not a necessarily "wrong" answer.
BLoodSireIf you guys get a chance to check out the most recent movie, note how they personified the green light by giving it a piercing sort of noise every time it flashes on the screen. It was a really nice effect.
That was one of my favorite addtions to the Gatsby story that Luhrmann made. I also loved the soundtrack of the movie.
[quote=BLoodSire]If you guys get a chance to check out the most recent movie, note how they personified the green light by giving it a piercing sort of noise every time it flashes on the screen. It was a really nice effect.[/quote]
That was one of my favorite addtions to the Gatsby story that Luhrmann made. I also loved the soundtrack of the movie.