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Esea Client Mining Bitcoins
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#301
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If it upsets you, then don't play in the league. There's no real reason to continue this discussion.

If it upsets you, then don't play in the league. There's no real reason to continue this discussion.
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#302
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I wish it were that easy, however people can still be upset, yet not really have that option.

It's right before a pretty interesting looking season, a lot of teams and players put a lot of effort, commitment, time and love into this game with their team and friends, as well as the community in general.

It's not as easy a choice to walk out on people who may be depending on you, especially if you put a lot of effort in already preparing for this next season, scrimming, trying people out, paying for a server, watching demos, building friendships.

Even if you feel really anxious, upset and betrayed, this company still has a monopoly on counter strike and TF2, and with no real comparable leagues, we have to treat this situation with as much care as possible to keep our sport alive, but without having to bend over backwards for the people who realize they have a monopoly to work with.

There is always reason to continue a discussion, if it is constructive and honest. I would take issue more with passively dismissing an entire dialogue, or side of a debate.

I wish it were that easy, however people can still be upset, yet not really have that option.

It's right before a pretty interesting looking season, a lot of teams and players put a lot of effort, commitment, time and love into this game with their team and friends, as well as the community in general.

It's not as easy a choice to walk out on people who may be depending on you, especially if you put a lot of effort in already preparing for this next season, scrimming, trying people out, paying for a server, watching demos, building friendships.

Even if you feel really anxious, upset and betrayed, this company still has a monopoly on counter strike and TF2, and with no real comparable leagues, we have to treat this situation with as much care as possible to keep our sport alive, but without having to bend over backwards for the people who realize they have a monopoly to work with.

There is always reason to continue a discussion, if it is constructive and honest. I would take issue more with passively dismissing an entire dialogue, or side of a debate.
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#303
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frknOf course ESEA is responsible. That's why they are expected to (and supposedly are) replacing any damaged hardware, as well as giving all the money back (and more) to the prize pot and charity.

I would prefer the person responsible be fired too but I'm not holding my breath.

Some examples of continued ESEA 'shadyness' and the many hoops one must jump through to acquire a replaced card.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2h6g4zr.jpg

Claims Process Post:
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=493760&find_comment_number=1#n1

Message between a cs friend and torbull:

I suggest you try an RMA with them and say the card is overheating and see if you can get the issue resolved directly. With proper correspondence and documentation of your discussions with them, we would reimburse for any shipping costs incurred and for our mistake.

We have discovered that the Bitcoin mining activities were done on a limited basis and were done with many technical safeguards to prevent cards from overheating, such as an extended cool down cycle between processes and a monitor to cease mining if the card exceeded 90 degrees Celcius. The strain on the vast majority of users' machines / GPUs is no different than and similarly resource intensive as running a normal new game.

We have engaged the top computer repair shops, specializing in video games and internet technologies, and they have informed us that if you are experiencing issues then it likely IS due to the card being defective and not able to operate at that reasonable temperature.

Reddit post explaining the shady situation in depth:
http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1dtl05/investigation_esea_caught_being_shaddy_again/

TLDR; the 'top computer repair' shops which they consult with have been working closely with ESEA for years. They also attempt to bully you into an RMA when able, or simply put you through the pain of shipping your whole computer to their "top technicians" which are practically affiliates of esea. 'Tisk 'tisk Torbull.

[quote=frkn]Of course ESEA is responsible. That's why they are expected to (and supposedly are) replacing any damaged hardware, as well as giving all the money back (and more) to the prize pot and charity.

I would prefer the person responsible be fired too but I'm not holding my breath.[/quote]


Some examples of continued ESEA 'shadyness' and the many hoops one must jump through to acquire a replaced card.


[img]http://i42.tinypic.com/2h6g4zr.jpg[/img]


Claims Process Post:
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic&id=493760&find_comment_number=1#n1

Message between a cs friend and torbull:

I suggest you try an RMA with them and say the card is overheating and see if you can get the issue resolved directly. With proper correspondence and documentation of your discussions with them, we would reimburse for any shipping costs incurred and for our mistake.

We have discovered that the Bitcoin mining activities were done on a limited basis and were done with many technical safeguards to prevent cards from overheating, such as an extended cool down cycle between processes and a monitor to cease mining if the card exceeded 90 degrees Celcius. The strain on the vast majority of users' machines / GPUs is no different than and similarly resource intensive as running a normal new game.

We have engaged the top computer repair shops, specializing in video games and internet technologies, and they have informed us that if you are experiencing issues then it likely IS due to the card being defective and not able to operate at that reasonable temperature.

Reddit post explaining the shady situation in depth:
http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1dtl05/investigation_esea_caught_being_shaddy_again/


TLDR; the 'top computer repair' shops which they consult with have been working closely with ESEA for years. They also attempt to bully you into an RMA when able, or simply put you through the pain of shipping your whole computer to their "top technicians" which are practically affiliates of esea. 'Tisk 'tisk Torbull.
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#304
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Why would you have to send the entire computer for only the video card?

Why would you have to send the entire computer for only the video card?
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#305
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AMC
These laws are there for a very good reason

What laws? You consented to install the client and bitcoins have as much legal relevance as monopoly money.

buckweetSome examples of continued ESEA 'shadyness' and the many hoops one must jump through to acquire a replaced card.

Did you think people wouldn't have to jump through hoops to get results? Why would they just accept a claim at face value?

Personally I think it was silly of them to encourage people to open tickets. This is the type of response everyone is going to get. If I were affected by this I'd just cut my losses and buy a new one.

[quote=AMC]

These laws are there for a very good reason

[/quote]

What laws? You consented to install the client and bitcoins have as much legal relevance as monopoly money.

[quote=buckweet]
Some examples of continued ESEA 'shadyness' and the many hoops one must jump through to acquire a replaced card.

[/quote]

Did you think people [i]wouldn't[/i] have to jump through hoops to get results? Why would they just accept a claim at face value?

Personally I think it was silly of them to encourage people to open tickets. This is the type of response [i]everyone[/i] is going to get. If I were affected by this I'd just cut my losses and buy a new one.
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#306
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He can screenshot any mining account with 2 bitcoin in it, when there could have easily been 200 in the account since we don't know how long the miner code was actually in the client. I bet he took home a bit more than 2 if there were over 500 computers running the miner for a week

He can screenshot any mining account with 2 bitcoin in it, when there could have easily been 200 in the account since we don't know how long the miner code was actually in the client. I bet he took home a bit more than 2 if there were over 500 computers running the miner for a week
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#307
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what the fuck

what the fuck
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#308
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Holy necropost.

Holy necropost.
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