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Unprofessional behavior from ESEA admin
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#1
7 Frags +

We forfeit won a match against a team that was late and didn't have 6.
We gave them until the time that we where aloud to forfeit them.
Our medic had to leave and there was no way we could of waited longer for them.
We do not have time to be dealing with this our schedules are strained as it is.
We followed the rules there is no legitimate reason for this and i cant help but think the admin has ulterior motives.

Chat logs:
eCg | Dakrah: eCg | Dakrah: hey sorry just got back from lunch
Killing in the Name #esea: ok
Killing in the Name #esea: oggogo
Killing in the Name #esea: wsp
eCg | Dakrah: na just wanted to message you about the match between noodle
eCg | Dakrah: and eCg
Killing in the Name #esea: yeah
eCg | Dakrah: to clarify what happened
Killing in the Name #esea: I already looked at the logs
eCg | Dakrah: what do you mean?
Killing in the Name #esea: I looked at the server logs
Killing in the Name #esea: you .confirmed at 10:32
Killing in the Name #esea: they can't .start at that time
eCg | Dakrah: yes
Killing in the Name #esea: so
Killing in the Name #esea: they couldn't stop you from reporting
Killing in the Name #esea: so I took away the ffw
eCg | Dakrah: oh I see
Killing in the Name #esea: now you gotta replay it
eCg | Dakrah: here's the thing though
eCg | Dakrah: we did give them until 10:30
eCg | Dakrah: and I'm assuming they would be able to .ready by 10:30
eCg | Dakrah: unless I'm wrong about that
Killing in the Name #esea: they can
Killing in the Name #esea: but past 10:30
Killing in the Name #esea: they can't
eCg | Dakrah: yes
eCg | Dakrah: and one of our guys had to go around 11
Killing in the Name #esea: ok
eCg | Dakrah: he was gonna be able to stretch to 11:15 but that was it
eCg | Dakrah: furthermore we have difficulty scheduling around our medic who'
eCg | Dakrah: s busy with work for the next two weeks
Killing in the Name #esea: i'm sure you'll find time
Killing in the Name #esea: since you're going to bew playing matches
Killing in the Name #esea: regardless
eCg | Dakrah: yea and we've been trying hard to fit those matches in
eCg | Dakrah: that match that we had to fit in for yesterday
eCg | Dakrah: that didn't end up happening
eCg | Dakrah: cuz they were late
eCg | Dakrah: our guy had to lie to his boss
eCg | Dakrah: to get there
eCg | Dakrah: and he was there
eCg | Dakrah: on time
Killing in the Name #esea: listen
Killing in the Name #esea: you have to replay

We forfeit won a match against a team that was late and didn't have 6.
We gave them until the time that we where aloud to forfeit them.
Our medic had to leave and there was no way we could of waited longer for them.
We do not have time to be dealing with this our schedules are strained as it is.
We followed the rules there is no legitimate reason for this and i cant help but think the admin has ulterior motives.


Chat logs:
eCg | Dakrah: eCg | Dakrah: hey sorry just got back from lunch
Killing in the Name #esea: ok
Killing in the Name #esea: oggogo
Killing in the Name #esea: wsp
eCg | Dakrah: na just wanted to message you about the match between noodle
eCg | Dakrah: and eCg
Killing in the Name #esea: yeah
eCg | Dakrah: to clarify what happened
Killing in the Name #esea: I already looked at the logs
eCg | Dakrah: what do you mean?
Killing in the Name #esea: I looked at the server logs
Killing in the Name #esea: you .confirmed at 10:32
Killing in the Name #esea: they can't .start at that time
eCg | Dakrah: yes
Killing in the Name #esea: so
Killing in the Name #esea: they couldn't stop you from reporting
Killing in the Name #esea: so I took away the ffw
eCg | Dakrah: oh I see
Killing in the Name #esea: now you gotta replay it
eCg | Dakrah: here's the thing though
eCg | Dakrah: we did give them until 10:30
eCg | Dakrah: and I'm assuming they would be able to .ready by 10:30
eCg | Dakrah: unless I'm wrong about that
Killing in the Name #esea: they can
Killing in the Name #esea: but past 10:30
Killing in the Name #esea: they can't
eCg | Dakrah: yes
eCg | Dakrah: and one of our guys had to go around 11
Killing in the Name #esea: ok
eCg | Dakrah: he was gonna be able to stretch to 11:15 but that was it
eCg | Dakrah: furthermore we have difficulty scheduling around our medic who'
eCg | Dakrah: s busy with work for the next two weeks
Killing in the Name #esea: i'm sure you'll find time
Killing in the Name #esea: since you're going to bew playing matches
Killing in the Name #esea: regardless
eCg | Dakrah: yea and we've been trying hard to fit those matches in
eCg | Dakrah: that match that we had to fit in for yesterday
eCg | Dakrah: that didn't end up happening
eCg | Dakrah: cuz they were late
eCg | Dakrah: our guy had to lie to his boss
eCg | Dakrah: to get there
eCg | Dakrah: and he was there
eCg | Dakrah: on time
Killing in the Name #esea: listen
Killing in the Name #esea: you have to replay
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#2
10 Frags +

It is not killing's job to coordinate your personal lives with your esea matches. I feel for your situation though.

It is not killing's job to coordinate your personal lives with your esea matches. I feel for your situation though.
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#3
7 Frags +

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#4
25 Frags +

the legacy of Killing in the Name #esea lives on

the legacy of Killing in the Name #esea lives on
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#5
6 Frags +

yea its strange why he said you *have* to replay

yea its strange why he said you *have* to replay
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#6
30 Frags +
kaceIt is not killing's job to coordinate your personal lives with your esea matches.

It is also not killings job to overturn a forfeit win when we had our people in the server on time. They where late. They got the forfeit loss. That should be the end of it. We dont have time to be rescheduling all our games.

[quote=kace]It is not killing's job to coordinate your personal lives with your esea matches.[/quote]
It is also not killings job to overturn a forfeit win when we had our people in the server on time. They where late. They got the forfeit loss. That should be the end of it. We dont have time to be rescheduling all our games.
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#7
-7 Frags +

Yeah, like Kace said, I don't think you should blame ESEA admins. They are going by the rules and it's not really their problem if your medic doesn't have time. There is always an option for backup to be used if you have one.

Yeah, like Kace said, I don't think you should blame ESEA admins. They are going by the rules and it's not really their problem if your medic doesn't have time. There is always an option for backup to be used if you have one.
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#8
21 Frags +
PrimeYeah, like Kace said, I don't think you should blame ESEA admins. They are going by the rules and it's not really their problem if your medic doesn't have time. There is always an option for backup to be used if you have one.

The match was scheduled. They where late. They got forfeited. We shouldn't have to change our schedule because they fucked up.

[quote=Prime]Yeah, like Kace said, I don't think you should blame ESEA admins. They are going by the rules and it's not really their problem if your medic doesn't have time. There is always an option for backup to be used if you have one.[/quote]
The match was scheduled. They where late. They got forfeited. We shouldn't have to change our schedule because they fucked up.
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#9
37 Frags +

after this and the AG/FT situation, hopefully people realize that there's probably a limit to the amount of leeway you give your opponent and that you should report your forfeit wins earlier instead of letting the rope dangle long enough to hang yourself with

after this and the AG/FT situation, hopefully people realize that there's probably a limit to the amount of leeway you give your opponent and that you should report your forfeit wins earlier instead of letting the rope dangle long enough to hang yourself with
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#10
15 Frags +

I don't think everyone here is totally understanding the situation.

The match HAD to be played by 10:30, by that time they can forfeit their opponents.
Their entire team was in the server before 10:30, the opponents weren't.
They gave them 45 minutes past the deadline, but they still didn't make it.

The forfeit was totally viable, and yet the guys who 'won' are getting the short end of the stick by being forced to replay a match that, by the rules, they already won.

As a Euro I'm not 100% sure about how ESEA run their operation, and whether or not they had some good reasoning behind forcing the replay, but I personally find it to be pretty harsh.

I don't think everyone here is totally understanding the situation.

The match HAD to be played by 10:30, by that time they can forfeit their opponents.
Their entire team was in the server before 10:30, the opponents weren't.
They gave them 45 minutes past the deadline, but they still didn't make it.

The forfeit was totally viable, and yet the guys who 'won' are getting the short end of the stick by being forced to replay a match that, by the rules, they already won.

As a Euro I'm not 100% sure about how ESEA run their operation, and whether or not they had some good reasoning behind forcing the replay, but I personally find it to be pretty harsh.
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#11
24 Frags +

30 minutes past your match, you're no longer able to ready up for your match (it says you can no longer ready, contact an admin). At 32 minutes past eCg reported the forfeit win which leaves noodle is moist one minute to .start. Since it was 32 minutes past, they tried to .start but couldn't because the server wouldn't let them.

TLDR; eCg reported the ffw, noodle tried to .start but couldn't because of server stuff, I took it away

I hope that explains it well. It's kind of complicated.

30 minutes past your match, you're no longer able to ready up for your match (it says you can no longer ready, contact an admin). At 32 minutes past eCg reported the forfeit win which leaves noodle is moist one minute to .start. Since it was 32 minutes past, they tried to .start but couldn't because the server wouldn't let them.

TLDR; eCg reported the ffw, noodle tried to .start but couldn't because of server stuff, I took it away

I hope that explains it well. It's kind of complicated.
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#12
-7 Frags +

Killing in the Name #esea: nothing is gonna change that
Killing in the Name #esea: find a time by thursday
eCg | Dakrah: what about the esea rules?
Killing in the Name #esea: I am the rules
Killing in the Name #esea: I enforce them
Killing in the Name #esea: find a time by thursday
Killing in the Name #esea: or i'm going to give them the ffw
eCg | Dakrah: why?
Killing in the Name #esea: why what?
eCg | Dakrah: I mean we'll try
eCg | Dakrah: but whyn would you forfeit us when they were late?
Killing in the Name #esea: the forfeit doesn't stand
Killing in the Name #esea: so it's irrelevant
Killing in the Name #esea: they are being more than accomodating for scheduling
Killing in the Name #esea: you aren't
eCg | Dakrah: we were
eCg | Dakrah: initially we could not do friday
eCg | Dakrah: and we bended our stuff to get there friday
Killing in the Name #esea: that's great and everything but now you gotta replay it
eCg | Dakrah: I still don't see the reasoning
Killing in the Name #esea: It really doesn't matter at this point
eCg | Dakrah: yes it does
Killing in the Name #esea: You can keep asking me
Killing in the Name #esea: but nothing will change
eCg | Dakrah: you're a professional league
eCg | Dakrah: that we pay to play
eCg | Dakrah: and we
eCg | Dakrah: being professional
eCg | Dakrah: were at our match on time
Killing in the Name #esea: You're paying me to uphold the rules
Killing in the Name #esea: that's what I'm doing
eCg | Dakrah: on top of being there on time we allowed them extra time to get on the server
Killing in the Name #esea: if you .reportffw before the 30 mins
Killing in the Name #esea: I wouldn't be speaking with you
eCg | Dakrah: they still weren't there by that time
Killing in the Name #esea: but you did and I am
eCg | Dakrah: fine
eCg | Dakrah: we'll find a time
Killing in the Name #esea: thank you
eCg | Dakrah: but this is highly unprofessional
eCg | Dakrah: and unbecoming of a league admin
Killing in the Name #esea: You can make an admin abuse ticket

Killing in the Name #esea: nothing is gonna change that
Killing in the Name #esea: find a time by thursday
eCg | Dakrah: what about the esea rules?
Killing in the Name #esea: I am the rules
Killing in the Name #esea: I enforce them
Killing in the Name #esea: find a time by thursday
Killing in the Name #esea: or i'm going to give them the ffw
eCg | Dakrah: why?
Killing in the Name #esea: why what?
eCg | Dakrah: I mean we'll try
eCg | Dakrah: but whyn would you forfeit us when they were late?
Killing in the Name #esea: the forfeit doesn't stand
Killing in the Name #esea: so it's irrelevant
Killing in the Name #esea: they are being more than accomodating for scheduling
Killing in the Name #esea: you aren't
eCg | Dakrah: we were
eCg | Dakrah: initially we could not do friday
eCg | Dakrah: and we bended our stuff to get there friday
Killing in the Name #esea: that's great and everything but now you gotta replay it
eCg | Dakrah: I still don't see the reasoning
Killing in the Name #esea: It really doesn't matter at this point
eCg | Dakrah: yes it does
Killing in the Name #esea: You can keep asking me
Killing in the Name #esea: but nothing will change
eCg | Dakrah: you're a professional league
eCg | Dakrah: that we pay to play
eCg | Dakrah: and we
eCg | Dakrah: being professional
eCg | Dakrah: were at our match on time
Killing in the Name #esea: You're paying me to uphold the rules
Killing in the Name #esea: that's what I'm doing
eCg | Dakrah: on top of being there on time we allowed them extra time to get on the server
Killing in the Name #esea: if you .reportffw before the 30 mins
Killing in the Name #esea: I wouldn't be speaking with you
eCg | Dakrah: they still weren't there by that time
Killing in the Name #esea: but you did and I am
eCg | Dakrah: fine
eCg | Dakrah: we'll find a time
Killing in the Name #esea: thank you
eCg | Dakrah: but this is highly unprofessional
eCg | Dakrah: and unbecoming of a league admin
Killing in the Name #esea: You can make an admin abuse ticket
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#13
-10 Frags +

"I am the rules
I enforce them"
~Killing in the Name #esea

"I am the rules
I enforce them"
~Killing in the Name #esea
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#14
25 Frags +

LEAVE KILLING ALONE !!!

[b]LEAVE KILLING ALONE [i]!!![/i][/b]
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#15
12 Frags +

stop being mean to killing, hes crying in my arms right now.

damn bullies.

stop being mean to killing, hes crying in my arms right now.

damn bullies.
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#16
22 Frags +

when you reportffw the other team has a minute to start the game

the enemy team tried to start the game when they got reportffw'd but it didnt work because it was past 30min which prevented them from starting (even though they tried to)

it wasnt a legit forfeit

when you reportffw the other team has a minute to start the game

the enemy team tried to start the game when they got reportffw'd but it didnt work because it was past 30min which prevented them from starting (even though they tried to)

it wasnt a legit forfeit
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#17
-6 Frags +

Killing_in_the_name_#esea

Killing_in_the_name_#esea
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#18
3 Frags +
djcafter this and the AG/FT situation, hopefully people realize that there's probably a limit to the amount of leeway you give your opponent and that you should report your forfeit wins earlier instead of letting the rope dangle long enough to hang yourself withdjcafter this and the AG/FT situation, hopefully people realize that there's probably a limit to the amount of leeway you give your opponent and that you should report your forfeit wins earlier instead of letting the rope dangle long enough to hang yourself with

HEED THESE WORDS

[quote=djc]after this and the AG/FT situation, hopefully people realize that there's probably a limit to the amount of leeway you give your opponent and that you should report your forfeit wins earlier instead of letting the rope dangle long enough to hang yourself with[/quote]
[quote=djc]after this and the AG/FT situation, hopefully people realize that there's probably a limit to the amount of leeway you give your opponent and that you should report your forfeit wins earlier instead of letting the rope dangle long enough to hang yourself with[/quote]

HEED THESE WORDS
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#19
2 Frags +

did you look at it upside down?

did you look at it upside down?
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#20
3 Frags +

Killing was being pretty professional

trust me he can get a lot, lot worse

plus ffw's are gay anyways just play the damn game

Killing was being pretty professional

trust me he can get a lot, lot worse

plus ffw's are gay anyways just play the damn game
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#21
18 Frags +
ukmwhen you reportffw the other team has a minute to start the game

the enemy team tried to start the game when they got reportffw'd but it didnt work because it was past 30min which prevented them from starting (even though they tried to)

it wasnt a legit forfeit

Then one would think to put it somewhere in the rules for teams to be aware of the procedures. The ESEA rules only state the following regarding forfeit wins and reporting them:

Forfeit Wins & Loses
If a team does not have six players in the server "readied up" after 20 minutes from the originally scheduled match time, then the opposing team can force them to play with five. If they cannot field five, then the other team will be able to submit a forfeit win. The captain of the team should use the ".reportffw" in the game in order to submit the forfeit win.
Below is the listed amount of times a team may forfeit before they are placed inactive in the league.
All Divisions: Four matches per season

Here's my source for that:

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_TF2

As you can see, nowhere in there does it clarify that past the 30 minute mark a team cannot forfeit it nor does it mention that the other team is allowed a minute to ready. If we're supposed to be punished by this after bending our schedule for matches, it should at least be clarified in the rules so that teams may know beforehand.

[quote=ukm]when you reportffw the other team has a minute to start the game

the enemy team tried to start the game when they got reportffw'd but it didnt work because it was past 30min which prevented them from starting (even though they tried to)

it wasnt a legit forfeit[/quote]

Then one would think to put it somewhere in the rules for teams to be aware of the procedures. The ESEA rules only state the following regarding forfeit wins and reporting them:

Forfeit Wins & Loses
If a team does not have six players in the server "readied up" after 20 minutes from the originally scheduled match time, then the opposing team can force them to play with five. If they cannot field five, then the other team will be able to submit a forfeit win. The captain of the team should use the ".reportffw" in the game in order to submit the forfeit win.
Below is the listed amount of times a team may forfeit before they are placed inactive in the league.
All Divisions: Four matches per season

Here's my source for that:

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_TF2

As you can see, nowhere in there does it clarify that past the 30 minute mark a team cannot forfeit it nor does it mention that the other team is allowed a minute to ready. If we're supposed to be punished by this after bending our schedule for matches, it should at least be clarified in the rules so that teams may know beforehand.
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#22
3 Frags +
Khakiplus ffw's are gay anyways just play the damn game

If we had the time i wouldn't care but our medic had to make an excuse to his boss just so he could be there. We where there on time. We barely had enough time to practice. We haven't even scrimed snakewater yet and we have a match on it today. We dont have time for this shit. These things are scheduled days ahead of time. They agreed to the date and time. If we could make it there is no excuse for them not to make it.

[quote=Khaki]
plus ffw's are gay anyways just play the damn game[/quote]
If we had the time i wouldn't care but our medic had to make an excuse to his boss just so he could be there. We where there on time. We barely had enough time to practice. We haven't even scrimed snakewater yet and we have a match on it today. We dont have time for this shit. These things are scheduled days ahead of time. They agreed to the date and time. If we could make it there is no excuse for them not to make it.
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#23
0 Frags +

So basically, now we know that you should .reportffw and .confirm before 30 minutes. As gay as a ffw is the system doesn't naturally handle waiting too long and it's your team's fault for not fielding 6. Be like carnage and smoke a victory blunt (although that one overturned too).

So basically, now we know that you should .reportffw and .confirm before 30 minutes. As gay as a ffw is the system doesn't naturally handle waiting too long and it's your team's fault for not fielding 6. Be like carnage and smoke a victory blunt (although that one overturned too).
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#24
2 Frags +

The Server Config is to blame; not Killing. Sure, technically that should have been a forfeit win. But due to your lack of punctuality (and consideration) the server wouldn't have allowed it in any way.
Killing did the professional thing and had you reschedule a match when you made an error in procedure.

The Server Config is to blame; not Killing. Sure, technically that should have been a forfeit win. But due to your lack of punctuality (and consideration) the server wouldn't have allowed it in any way.
Killing did the professional thing and had you reschedule a match when you made an error in procedure.
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#25
0 Frags +
ScrewballKhakiplus ffw's are gay anyways just play the damn gameIf we had the time i wouldn't care but our medic had to make an excuse to his boss just so he could be there. We where there on time. We barely had enough time to practice. We haven't even scrimed snakewater yet and we have a match on it today. We dont have time for this shit. These things are scheduled days ahead of time. They agreed to the date and time. If we could make it there is no excuse for them not to make it.

While I agree that it's pretty gay Killing's trying to threaten your team with a ffw if you aren't able to reschedule, I think you should probably be a little more flexible as far as scheduling goes, like 9 out of every ten games turns into a 5v6 or ffw because people don't understand how to schedule properly or something gay happens and a team isn't able to field 6 players at the last moment.

[quote=Screwball][quote=Khaki]
plus ffw's are gay anyways just play the damn game[/quote]
If we had the time i wouldn't care but our medic had to make an excuse to his boss just so he could be there. We where there on time. We barely had enough time to practice. We haven't even scrimed snakewater yet and we have a match on it today. We dont have time for this shit. These things are scheduled days ahead of time. They agreed to the date and time. If we could make it there is no excuse for them not to make it.[/quote]
While I agree that it's pretty gay Killing's trying to threaten your team with a ffw if you aren't able to reschedule, I think you should probably be a little more flexible as far as scheduling goes, like 9 out of every ten games turns into a 5v6 or ffw because people don't understand how to schedule properly or something gay happens and a team isn't able to field 6 players at the last moment.
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#26
0 Frags +
DrPloxoThe Server Config is to blame; not Killing. Sure, technically that should have been a forfeit win. But due to your lack of punctuality (and consideration) the server wouldn't have allowed it in any way.
Killing did the professional thing and had you reschedule a match when you made an error in procedure.

Procedure needs to be written down. None of this is stated anywhere in the rules. We where punctual. We gave the other team 40 minutes to ready up and they didn't even have 5 in the server when we reported let alone 6.

[quote=DrPloxo]The Server Config is to blame; not Killing. Sure, technically that should have been a forfeit win. But due to your lack of punctuality (and consideration) the server wouldn't have allowed it in any way.
Killing did the professional thing and had you reschedule a match when you made an error in procedure.[/quote]
Procedure needs to be written down. None of this is stated anywhere in the rules. We where punctual. We gave the other team 40 minutes to ready up and they didn't even have 5 in the server when we reported let alone 6.
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#27
22 Frags +

should just flip a coin

should just flip a coin
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#28
0 Frags +
KhakiWhile I agree that it's pretty gay Killing's trying to threaten your team with a ffw if you aren't able to reschedule, I think you should probably be a little more flexible as far as scheduling goes, like 9 out of every ten games turns into a 5v6 or ffw because people don't understand how to schedule properly or something gay happens and a team isn't able to field 6 players at the last moment.

Then that is there problem. Teams that are on time and following the rules as written shouldn't be punished because another team cant field 6 on time.

[quote=Khaki]
While I agree that it's pretty gay Killing's trying to threaten your team with a ffw if you aren't able to reschedule, I think you should probably be a little more flexible as far as scheduling goes, like 9 out of every ten games turns into a 5v6 or ffw because people don't understand how to schedule properly or something gay happens and a team isn't able to field 6 players at the last moment.[/quote]
Then that is there problem. Teams that are on time and following the rules as written shouldn't be punished because another team cant field 6 on time.
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#29
2 Frags +

we did have 5 in the server and couldnt ready when you .reportffw

we did have 5 in the server and couldnt ready when you .reportffw
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#30
0 Frags +
milowe did have 5 in the server and couldnt ready when you .reportffw

We waited as long as we possibly could for you to get 6. We where on time and had all of our players in the server. Nowhere in the rules does it say anything about waiting a minute for the other team to ready.

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_TF2

[quote=milo]we did have 5 in the server and couldnt ready when you .reportffw[/quote]
We waited as long as we possibly could for you to get 6. We where on time and had all of our players in the server. Nowhere in the rules does it say anything about waiting a minute for the other team to ready.

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_TF2
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