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bill nye saves the world
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#61
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toads_tfit's gonna be dismissed because it's misleading garbage just like any other argument for pretending to be something youre not

how is it misleading
are you gonna elaborate
seems like it provides, at least, 1, published, paper that explains "pretending to be something you're not" (gender affirmation) has shown to be the most effective way of dealing with gender dysphoria

[quote=toads_tf]
it's gonna be dismissed because it's misleading garbage just like any other argument for pretending to be something youre not[/quote]
how is it misleading
are you gonna elaborate
seems like it provides, at least, 1, published, paper that explains "pretending to be something you're not" (gender affirmation) has shown to be the most effective way of dealing with gender dysphoria
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#62
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Lyreixalso whoever said that transgenderism is a mental illness due to suicide rates needs to snap back from the 19th century
the reason why you would perceive that transgender folk have a very high suicidal rate is because trans folk are constantly facing an extreme amount of discrimination, be it before transitioning or not, regardless if they come out as trans or keep it to themselves
**********
Just dropping this by while this thread is still unlocked. Just don't go around spouting transphobic shit because of your previous assumptions or biases

This is utter nonsense and you know it, the whole trans issue is about as uncontroversial as it gets these days, nearly nobody has anything to say against it (usually out of fear of the consequences just for speaking their fucking opinion) and it doesn't make me "transphobic" to disagree with dangerous practices regarding a serious mental health issue, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[quote=Lyreix]also whoever said that transgenderism is a mental illness due to suicide rates needs to snap back from the 19th century
the reason why you would perceive that transgender folk have a very high suicidal rate is because trans folk are constantly facing an extreme amount of discrimination, be it before transitioning or not, regardless if they come out as trans or keep it to themselves
**********
Just dropping this by while this thread is still unlocked. Just don't go around spouting transphobic shit because of your previous assumptions or biases[/quote]
This is utter nonsense and you know it, the whole trans issue is about as uncontroversial as it gets these days, nearly nobody has anything to say against it (usually out of fear of the consequences just for speaking their fucking opinion) and it doesn't make me "transphobic" to disagree with dangerous practices regarding a serious mental health issue, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
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#63
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nice job deflecting the sources that everyone in this thread were actively asking for and going for personal attacks instead of providing counterpoints to the studies I posted

AdnurakThis is utter nonsense and you know it
fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

http://i.imgur.com/4eaxlzi.gif

nice job deflecting the sources that everyone in this thread were actively asking for and going for personal attacks instead of providing counterpoints to the studies I posted

[quote=Adnurak]
This is utter nonsense and you know it
fuck you and the horse you rode in on.[/quote]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/4eaxlzi.gif[/img]
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#64
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Lyreixnice job deflecting the sources that everyone in this thread were actively asking for and going for personal attacks instead of providing counterpoints to the studies I posted

You don't think "transphobic" is a personal attack? I don't particularly appreciate having my motives assumed by internet psychics, so yes, fuck you.

http://i.imgur.com/tC53mbw.gif

[quote=Lyreix]nice job deflecting the sources that everyone in this thread were actively asking for and going for personal attacks instead of providing counterpoints to the studies I posted[/quote]
You don't think "transphobic" is a personal attack? I don't particularly appreciate having my motives assumed by internet psychics, so yes, fuck you.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tC53mbw.gif[/img]
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#65
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holy shit why is this a discussion

having gender dysphoria sucks

taking pills is relatively cheap compared to spending tons of money on frequently unhelpful conversion therapy that many can't afford

people who shove their trans-ness down people's throats are really fucking aids, like if you don't wanna call someone by their pronouns or whatever its totally in your right not to, much as it is their right to take that as disrespect

i don't see why people who dislike it feel the need to be assholes about it, like just call me he or whatever im not gonna get buttblasted instead of doing the whole round of "Hilarious Jokes" (it, attack helicopter, etc.) like at least treat me like a human being, don't make my gender part of the discussion if it bothers you so much, it's not like i'm gonna stop talking to you because you call me a boy.

people need to stop taking themselves so seriously to the point where they crumble when someone with different opinions is around them, just be a fucking adult about it

i wish i could get a do-over and not have this shit in my brain and be a functioning human, but at least i live in america where i wont get thrown off a roof for being a fag

holy shit why is this a discussion

having gender dysphoria sucks

taking pills is relatively cheap compared to spending tons of money on frequently unhelpful conversion therapy that many can't afford

people who shove their trans-ness down people's throats are really fucking aids, like if you don't wanna call someone by their pronouns or whatever its totally in your right not to, much as it is their right to take that as disrespect

i don't see why people who dislike it feel the need to be assholes about it, like just call me he or whatever im not gonna get buttblasted instead of doing the whole round of "Hilarious Jokes" (it, attack helicopter, etc.) like at least treat me like a human being, don't make my gender part of the discussion if it bothers you so much, it's not like i'm gonna stop talking to you because you call me a boy.

people need to stop taking themselves so seriously to the point where they crumble when someone with different opinions is around them, just be a fucking adult about it

i wish i could get a do-over and not have this shit in my brain and be a functioning human, but at least i live in america where i wont get thrown off a roof for being a fag
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#66
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is adnurak the next sheepy or dollarlayer??? let's find out before this thread gets locked

back on topic: bill WHY

is adnurak the next sheepy or dollarlayer??? let's find out before this thread gets locked

back on topic: bill WHY
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#67
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Cerdurtoads_tfit's gonna be dismissed because it's misleading garbage just like any other argument for pretending to be something youre nothow is it misleading
are you gonna elaborate
seems like it provides, at least, 1, published, paper that explains "pretending to be something you're not" (gender affirmation) has shown to be the most effective way of dealing with gender dysphoria

sources in 6:
1. 404, meaniningless unless evidence is presented anyways.

2. 404 again. doesnt explain WHY trying to fix someone's mental state to fit reality is less ethical than affirming their false belief. (in fact, feeding delusion seems like it would only create more harm than good when patients are confronted with the fact that they are not indeed what they thought they were) the studies given are all very old studies from a time period where it was believed that faux sex reassignment was the only solution and were essentially the first studies done on the subject of behavioral reassignment. since then, studies (works of barlow, rekers, etc in the 70s) have provided successful cases of behavioral or similar non-operation solutions. though i cant tell because of the 404, either way what WPATH says seems to be grounded only in preliminary studies and is therefore being used misleadingly

3. bases its claim off of information it makes up. it says therapy like this is wrong because we believe that it's the patient's right to keep their identity. it also lumps two unlike things together as well, that being sexual orientation and what gender someone thinks they are. again, misleading.

4. has nothing to do with "gender identity," yet is used to discuss it. it has to do with sexuality conversion therapy, which is completely different as it's not dealing with a delusional disorder, or probably even a disorder at all. VERY misleading

5. same as 4

6. incredible grasping at straws, doesn't mention transgenders at all and is therefore completely different and mostly irrelevant. regardless, a religious approach to conversion is unlikely to have any impact if some kind of conversion therapy is the best case anyways.

e: i dont think i should have to say this but anyways ill throw in that i bear no ill will towards trans people or people suffering gender dysphoria or whatever it may be. i believe that certain treatments for the problem are not the best course of action

[quote=Cerdur][quote=toads_tf]
it's gonna be dismissed because it's misleading garbage just like any other argument for pretending to be something youre not[/quote]
how is it misleading
are you gonna elaborate
seems like it provides, at least, 1, published, paper that explains "pretending to be something you're not" (gender affirmation) has shown to be the most effective way of dealing with gender dysphoria[/quote]
sources in 6:
1. 404, meaniningless unless evidence is presented anyways.

2. 404 again. doesnt explain WHY trying to fix someone's mental state to fit reality is less ethical than affirming their false belief. (in fact, feeding delusion seems like it would only create more harm than good when patients are confronted with the fact that they are not indeed what they thought they were) the studies given are all very old studies from a time period where it was believed that faux sex reassignment was the only solution and were essentially the first studies done on the subject of behavioral reassignment. since then, studies (works of barlow, rekers, etc in the 70s) have provided successful cases of behavioral or similar non-operation solutions. though i cant tell because of the 404, either way what WPATH says seems to be grounded only in preliminary studies and is therefore being used misleadingly

3. bases its claim off of information it makes up. it says therapy like this is wrong [i]because we believe that it's the patient's right to keep their identity.[/i] it also lumps two unlike things together as well, that being sexual orientation and what gender someone thinks they are. again, misleading.

4. has nothing to do with "gender identity," yet is used to discuss it. it has to do with sexuality conversion therapy, which is completely different as it's not dealing with a delusional disorder, or probably even a disorder at all. VERY misleading

5. same as 4

6. incredible grasping at straws, doesn't mention transgenders at all and is therefore completely different and mostly irrelevant. regardless, a religious approach to conversion is unlikely to have any impact if some kind of conversion therapy is the best case anyways.


e: i dont think i should have to say this but anyways ill throw in that i bear no ill will towards trans people or people suffering gender dysphoria or whatever it may be. i believe that certain treatments for the problem are not the best course of action
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#68
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flatlineis adnurak the next sheepy or dollarlayer??? let's find out before this thread gets locked

he's worse

[quote=flatline]is adnurak the next sheepy or dollarlayer??? let's find out before this thread gets locked[/quote]
he's worse
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#69
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"your gender is defined by your chromosomes"

-bill nye

"your gender is defined by your chromosomes"

-bill nye
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#70
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Discussions on transgenderism are always fucking aids because everyone is talking about different shit and has different definitions for words which lead to arguments even when people agree

Discussions on transgenderism are always fucking aids because everyone is talking about different shit and has different definitions for words which lead to arguments even when people agree
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#71
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bill nye is stupid

bill nye is stupid
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#72
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so what do you guys think of the show

so what do you guys think of the show
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#73
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zx37so what do you guys think of the show

it's GAY

[quote=zx37]so what do you guys think of the show[/quote]
it's GAY
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#74
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zx37so what do you guys think of the show

faux pop-science trash

[quote=zx37]so what do you guys think of the show[/quote]
faux pop-science trash
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#75
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"your gender is defined by your chromosomes"

-bill nye

"your gender is defined by your chromosomes"

-bill nye
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#76
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if you wanna be a guy, be a guy, if you wanna be a girl, be a girl, it's as simple as that

in the grand scheme of things we're all just humans that gather here habitually to discuss tf2 and other topics so why give one floppy fuck what someone's gender is in interactions over the internet

if you wanna be a guy, be a guy, if you wanna be a girl, be a girl, it's as simple as that

in the grand scheme of things we're all just humans that gather here habitually to discuss tf2 and other topics so why give one floppy fuck what someone's gender is in interactions over the internet
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#77
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viperif you wanna be a guy, be a guy, if you wanna be a girl, be a girl, it's as simple as that

in the grand scheme of things we're all just humans that gather here habitually to discuss tf2 and other topics so why give one floppy fuck what someone's gender is in interactions over the internet

because in the last few years laws are being made in some countries to force one side of the discussion to use the terminology of the other side

this is what got Jordan Peterson into the spotlight for making a video talking about how these laws are badly written:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695

[quote=viper]if you wanna be a guy, be a guy, if you wanna be a girl, be a girl, it's as simple as that

in the grand scheme of things we're all just humans that gather here habitually to discuss tf2 and other topics so why give one floppy fuck what someone's gender is in interactions over the internet[/quote]
because in the last few years laws are being made in some countries to force one side of the discussion to use the terminology of the other side

this is what got Jordan Peterson into the spotlight for making a video talking about how these laws are badly written:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695
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#78
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sacbecause in the last few years laws are being made in some countries to force one side of the discussion to use the terminology of the other side

this is what got Jordan Peterson into the spotlight for making a video talking about how these laws are badly written:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695

i'm mainly speaking in the context of the situations that occur within this community, but yes laws like that are terrible

[quote=sac]because in the last few years laws are being made in some countries to force one side of the discussion to use the terminology of the other side

this is what got Jordan Peterson into the spotlight for making a video talking about how these laws are badly written:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695[/quote]
i'm mainly speaking in the context of the situations that occur within this community, but yes laws like that are terrible
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#79
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aieraholy shit why is this a discussion

having gender dysphoria sucks

taking pills is relatively cheap compared to spending tons of money on frequently unhelpful conversion therapy that many can't afford

people who shove their trans-ness down people's throats are really fucking aids, like if you don't wanna call someone by their pronouns or whatever its totally in your right not to, much as it is their right to take that as disrespect

i don't see why people who dislike it feel the need to be assholes about it, like just call me he or whatever im not gonna get buttblasted instead of doing the whole round of "Hilarious Jokes" (it, attack helicopter, etc.) like at least treat me like a human being, don't make my gender part of the discussion if it bothers you so much, it's not like i'm gonna stop talking to you because you call me a boy.

people need to stop taking themselves so seriously to the point where they crumble when someone with different opinions is around them, just be a fucking adult about it

i wish i could get a do-over and not have this shit in my brain and be a functioning human, but at least i live in america where i wont get thrown off a roof for being a fag

Hey, you're alright. Stay strong :)

[quote=aiera]holy shit why is this a discussion

having gender dysphoria sucks

taking pills is relatively cheap compared to spending tons of money on frequently unhelpful conversion therapy that many can't afford

people who shove their trans-ness down people's throats are really fucking aids, like if you don't wanna call someone by their pronouns or whatever its totally in your right not to, much as it is their right to take that as disrespect

i don't see why people who dislike it feel the need to be assholes about it, like just call me he or whatever im not gonna get buttblasted instead of doing the whole round of "Hilarious Jokes" (it, attack helicopter, etc.) like at least treat me like a human being, don't make my gender part of the discussion if it bothers you so much, it's not like i'm gonna stop talking to you because you call me a boy.

people need to stop taking themselves so seriously to the point where they crumble when someone with different opinions is around them, just be a fucking adult about it

i wish i could get a do-over and not have this shit in my brain and be a functioning human, but at least i live in america where i wont get thrown off a roof for being a fag[/quote]
Hey, you're alright. Stay strong :)
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#80
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#81
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yikes

yikes
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#82
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i liked the part where they got an astrologer and a dude who believes in alternative medicine as guest panelists on the episodes where they were saying astrology and alternative medicine were fake

i continued watching in the hopes it would get better but it got worse as it went god dammit bill

fuck i was so excited for this why

i liked the part where they got an astrologer and a dude who believes in alternative medicine as guest panelists on the episodes where they were saying astrology and alternative medicine were fake

i continued watching in the hopes it would get better but it got worse as it went god dammit bill

fuck i was so excited for this why
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#83
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c[/youtube]
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#84
-2 Frags +

so anyways season 2 just came out, anyone watch it yet? any opinions? do i dare wager my time on this being any better than season 1?

so anyways season 2 just came out, anyone watch it yet? any opinions? do i dare wager my time on this being any better than season 1?
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