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Comp MM can break TF2.
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Since the original thread this is based on is confusing people and the title of the original means people don't click on it much, I want to kind of build awareness to this issue because it has been on-going for what is soon to be 6 days with no Valve response through every channel on offer and if it doesn't get fixed soon it is better more people are at least aware of the problem, because the longer this goes on the higher of a chance you can fuck yourself on playing matches.

Simply put, there is a problem in competitive matchmaking. The only steps any of the afflicted have in common is they close the game either during the loading process of a competitive matchmaking game at some point or they just got done playing a competitive MM game (rank up or no rank up apparently) and close the game and it causes TF2 to refuse to load with the error "CUtlLinkedList overflow (memory allocation error)". This error isn't actually important, more on that later.

Things that have been done by various people to attempt to fix this problem:
* Verifying game cache. (includes deleting shared files like Item Schema)
* Reinstalling/updating drivers.
* Deleting Steam & TF2 and reinstalling.
* Wiping their entire computer and reinstalling.
* Using different OS's.
* Using an entirely different computer and reinstalling.

None of these help as the error seems to be (by my best guess) a corrupt file on Valve's end, at the account level. If you use any other account your game will run fine. If you use the afflicted account on any computer (even a brand new computer that has never run Team Fortress 2 before, with Steam Cloud off), it will crash. The only way to launch TF2 successfully is to force Steam into actual offline mode which means you can only play on VAC Insecure servers with no item server support, as forcing Steam into actual offline mode will make Team Fortress 2 not make a network connection to Valve.

There is no known fix. One or two people have had it fix for them after a period of days with them doing nothing special, but other people have been afflicted for longer with no cure.

The reason the error doesn't matter is because it makes no sense and thanks to the original threads problem, it's obvious something is messed up with TF2's error handling, as Barycenter's problem had nothing to do with memory allocation errors or a memory leak or anything, just a corrupt Item Schema which normally has its own special VERY SPECIFIC error message. Obviously there wouldn't be a persistent memory leak or memory allocation error on PCs that have never even had TF2 installed, but then magically just be okay on another Steam account.

The only way to avoid this foolproof until Valve fixes it is to not play competitive matchmaking at all, or else you risk breaking your account, or if you really want to do it on an alt like I did because this bug is bad.

If a Valve employee happens to stumble on this one instead of the other thread, here's a list of dumps:
http://www.filedropper.com/dumps
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oru29o24qrye4g7/crash_hl2.exe_20160722185710_1.dmp?dl=0
https://puu.sh/qaQh1/8f8326c7e6.dmp
http://www.filedropper.com/crashhl2exe201607250601391
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/egj4vvhpb2yzugc/AAA-v87el2uJxJnQDmeCWAuva?dl=0
http://puu.sh/qdJeQ/3dfdef5e57.dmp
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ngnfndjzf0ly8d3/AABdRdEYq_8emPikz1DvQ63na?dl=0
http://puu.sh/qevI8/be6a2f6e07.rar
http://www.file-upload.net/gal-185439/fxvacq/1.html
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cyk481pki6e03fw/crash_hl2.exe_20160726161725_1.dmp?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hzidnvxb7qn9qh1/crash_hl2.exe_20160726094227_1.dmp?dl=0

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If you are afflicted by this issue please post dumps of it and I'll add it to the OP. You can find dumps in your steam/dumps folder, they'll be called hl2.

If you aren't afflicted but want to actually be useful, email Valve employees about this issue, talk to them on Steam and direct them to this thread, anything to get visibility on it.

Since the original thread this is based on is confusing people and the title of the original means people don't click on it much, I want to kind of build awareness to this issue because it has been on-going for what is soon to be 6 days with no Valve response through every channel on offer and if it doesn't get fixed soon it is better more people are at least aware of the problem, because the longer this goes on the higher of a chance you can fuck yourself on playing matches.

Simply put, there is a problem in competitive matchmaking. The only steps any of the afflicted have in common is they close the game either during the loading process of a competitive matchmaking game at some point or they just got done playing a competitive MM game (rank up or no rank up apparently) and close the game and it causes TF2 to refuse to load with the error "CUtlLinkedList overflow (memory allocation error)". This error isn't actually important, more on that later.

Things that have been done by various people to attempt to fix this problem:
* Verifying game cache. (includes deleting shared files like Item Schema)
* Reinstalling/updating drivers.
* Deleting Steam & TF2 and reinstalling.
* Wiping their entire computer and reinstalling.
* Using different OS's.
* Using an entirely different computer and reinstalling.

None of these help as the error seems to be (by my best guess) a corrupt file on Valve's end, at the account level. If you use any other account your game will run fine. If you use the afflicted account on any computer (even a brand new computer that has never run Team Fortress 2 before, with Steam Cloud off), it will crash. The only way to launch TF2 successfully is to force Steam into actual offline mode which means you can only play on VAC Insecure servers with no item server support, as forcing Steam into actual offline mode will make Team Fortress 2 not make a network connection to Valve.

There is no known fix. One or two people have had it fix for them after a period of days with them doing nothing special, but other people have been afflicted for longer with no cure.

The reason the error doesn't matter is because it makes no sense and thanks to the original threads problem, it's obvious something is messed up with TF2's error handling, as Barycenter's problem had nothing to do with memory allocation errors or a memory leak or anything, just a corrupt Item Schema which normally has its own special VERY SPECIFIC error message. Obviously there wouldn't be a persistent memory leak or memory allocation error on PCs that have never even had TF2 installed, but then magically just be okay on another Steam account.

The only way to avoid this foolproof until Valve fixes it is to not play competitive matchmaking at all, or else you risk breaking your account, or if you really want to do it on an alt like I did because this bug is bad.

If a Valve employee happens to stumble on this one instead of the other thread, here's a list of dumps:
http://www.filedropper.com/dumps
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oru29o24qrye4g7/crash_hl2.exe_20160722185710_1.dmp?dl=0
https://puu.sh/qaQh1/8f8326c7e6.dmp
http://www.filedropper.com/crashhl2exe201607250601391
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/egj4vvhpb2yzugc/AAA-v87el2uJxJnQDmeCWAuva?dl=0
http://puu.sh/qdJeQ/3dfdef5e57.dmp
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ngnfndjzf0ly8d3/AABdRdEYq_8emPikz1DvQ63na?dl=0
http://puu.sh/qevI8/be6a2f6e07.rar
http://www.file-upload.net/gal-185439/fxvacq/1.html
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cyk481pki6e03fw/crash_hl2.exe_20160726161725_1.dmp?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hzidnvxb7qn9qh1/crash_hl2.exe_20160726094227_1.dmp?dl=0

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If you are afflicted by this issue please post dumps of it and I'll add it to the OP. You can find dumps in your steam/dumps folder, they'll be called hl2.

If you aren't afflicted but want to actually be useful, email Valve employees about this issue, talk to them on Steam and direct them to this thread, anything to get visibility on it.
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#2
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Only getting 5 fps in matchmaking was a hidden blessing.

Only getting 5 fps in matchmaking was a hidden blessing.
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#3
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Ok, I was a little upset with how unpolished things can be.

Ok, I was a little upset with how unpolished things can be.
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#4
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Valve PLZ

Valve PLZ
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#5
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They're too busy fixing the remaining viewmodel workarounds to bother with these peanuts

They're too busy fixing the remaining viewmodel workarounds to bother with these peanuts
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#6
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For the record if this isn't fixed tomorrow night I'm hoping we can start getting a lot more attention to this with people spreading noise where it matters, because that will be a whole week for some people where TF2 is just broken on their account and you have to think about not just the more clued in person who checks these sites out and figures it out, there are probably some random people who aren't clued in and their TF2 is just broke too and they have no idea what the fuck is going on. Like, hopefully b4nny bugging Valve will help, but this is a problem that if it isn't figured out relatively quickly will just spread and get worse. mr slin got afflicted today and had to use an alt to do his ESEA match. It's dumb.

For the record if this isn't fixed tomorrow night I'm hoping we can start getting a lot more attention to this with people spreading noise where it matters, because that will be a whole week for some people where TF2 is just broken on their account and you have to think about not just the more clued in person who checks these sites out and figures it out, there are probably some random people who aren't clued in and their TF2 is just broke too and they have no idea what the fuck is going on. Like, hopefully b4nny bugging Valve will help, but this is a problem that if it isn't figured out relatively quickly will just spread and get worse. mr slin got afflicted today and had to use an alt to do his ESEA match. It's dumb.
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#7
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matchmaking update was the biggest flop in tf2 history

matchmaking update was the biggest flop in tf2 history
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#8
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Huckmatchmaking update was the biggest flop in tf2 history

you are so right it hurts

[quote=Huck]matchmaking update was the biggest flop in tf2 history[/quote]
you are so right it hurts
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#9
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Can we not turn this thread into a Valve hate thread, I want it to be actually useful so that if an employee reads it they can kind of find useful information (hoping to get the other people afflicted to post their dumps too) without having to read a lot of dumb shit. :/ There's people who have been waiting almost a whole week and have been unable to launch the game, and it'd be more productive to keep this thread on the cleaner side.

Can we not turn this thread into a Valve hate thread, I want it to be actually useful so that if an employee reads it they can kind of find useful information (hoping to get the other people afflicted to post their dumps too) without having to read a lot of dumb shit. :/ There's people who have been waiting almost a whole week and have been unable to launch the game, and it'd be more productive to keep this thread on the cleaner side.
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#10
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yes valve employees must be protected from any honest appraisal of their recent work.

yes valve employees must be protected from any honest appraisal of their recent work.
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#11
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Man it's their game that we paid for; if they havr to wade through 100 pages of SPUF threads before finding this one, fat chance, so does everyone who ever has a problem with tf2, including this one, because there's no support

Man it's their game that we paid for; if they havr to wade through 100 pages of SPUF threads before finding this one, fat chance, so does everyone who ever has a problem with tf2, including this one, because there's no support
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#12
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Vegan_Meatyes valve employees must be protected from any honest appraisal of their recent work.

This really isn't the thread to do it dude, there's plenty of people sitting here waiting days to play the game AT ALL and all sitting here complaining about Valve (especially if you're not even affected by this issue at the moment) does is clog up the thread with dumb shit that makes finding anything actually useful (like dump files) more of a chore for any employee that does get directed to it. Please don't. There's so many other threads on this site you can go rage at Valve on. Let a thread actually be useful for once. Do you know how shitty it is to have someone (because I'm planning on just bugging b4nny to direct them to this one tomorrow) direct a Valve employee to a thread and they just find shit tons of comments shitting on them making the helpful ones harder to find? It's pretty shitty.

[quote=Vegan_Meat]yes valve employees must be protected from any honest appraisal of their recent work.[/quote]

This really isn't the thread to do it dude, there's plenty of people sitting here waiting days to play the game AT ALL and all sitting here complaining about Valve (especially if you're not even affected by this issue at the moment) does is clog up the thread with dumb shit that makes finding anything actually useful (like dump files) more of a chore for any employee that does get directed to it. Please don't. There's so many other threads on this site you can go rage at Valve on. Let a thread actually be useful for once. Do you know how shitty it is to have someone (because I'm planning on just bugging b4nny to direct them to this one tomorrow) direct a Valve employee to a thread and they just find shit tons of comments shitting on them making the helpful ones harder to find? It's pretty shitty.
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#13
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you realize the relationship valve has with their players is such that the players feel they should watch their language and only politely suggest to mistress valve that she perhaps ought to consider, when she has free time, if she possibly could get around to allowing the players to play the game?

anything else would be indecent.

you realize the relationship valve has with their players is such that the players feel they should watch their language and only politely suggest to mistress valve that she perhaps ought to consider, when she has free time, if she possibly could get around to allowing the players to play the game?

anything else would be indecent.
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#14
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I updated the OP on how to find your dumps for this crash btw, for those who haven't done it before but have the issue. I'm hoping as Euro prime time starts to roll in more of the Euros affected by this will get on and post dumps.

If anyone isn't affected by this and wants to ACTUALLY do something useful, email/message Valve employees with us. Get some visibility on the issue.

If you are affected by it, on top of posting dumps posting more detail on the exact steps you took in matchmaking prior to the error would be helpful in locking down repro steps.

I updated the OP on how to find your dumps for this crash btw, for those who haven't done it before but have the issue. I'm hoping as Euro prime time starts to roll in more of the Euros affected by this will get on and post dumps.

If anyone isn't affected by this and wants to ACTUALLY do something useful, email/message Valve employees with us. Get some visibility on the issue.

If you are affected by it, on top of posting dumps posting more detail on the exact steps you took in matchmaking prior to the error would be helpful in locking down repro steps.
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#15
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my dump: http://www.filedropper.com/crashhl2exe201607250601391
Before I got this error I completed mm game and closed tf2. I didn't rank up but was very close to next rank (rank 6 - close to rank 7)

my dump: http://www.filedropper.com/crashhl2exe201607250601391
Before I got this error I completed mm game and closed tf2. I didn't rank up but was very close to next rank (rank 6 - close to rank 7)
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#16
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My dumps: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/egj4vvhpb2yzugc/AAA-v87el2uJxJnQDmeCWAuva?dl=0
Started with getting to rank 4 and accidentally double clicking the back (which meant I hit quit under it) 3 days ago.

My dumps: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/egj4vvhpb2yzugc/AAA-v87el2uJxJnQDmeCWAuva?dl=0
Started with getting to rank 4 and accidentally double clicking the back (which meant I hit quit under it) 3 days ago.
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#17
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Huh, I had some sort of error the other day, i dont remember what the error was but i couldnt start tf2 anymore, so i started in offline mode, then my tf2 started but i couldnt join a server because i was in offline mode, so i restarted steam again then it asked me to get files from the cloud or something, i accepted it and then it worked again, but my config was fucked because it was like from a year old, then a few days later i saw a team fotress 2 folder on my desktop, i guess thats where it was placed because the config in there was the config that was loaded every time so i deleted it and my tf2 worked fine again.

Idk if that was the error though heh

Huh, I had some sort of error the other day, i dont remember what the error was but i couldnt start tf2 anymore, so i started in offline mode, then my tf2 started but i couldnt join a server because i was in offline mode, so i restarted steam again then it asked me to get files from the cloud or something, i accepted it and then it worked again, but my config was fucked because it was like from a year old, then a few days later i saw a team fotress 2 folder on my desktop, i guess thats where it was placed because the config in there was the config that was loaded every time so i deleted it and my tf2 worked fine again.

Idk if that was the error though heh
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#18
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thats pretty sad that playing the game breaks your game

thats pretty sad that playing the game breaks your game
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#19
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MM was such a flop, literally nothing except the lobby screen and medals changed during 6 months.

No placement matches so you have to grind through thousands of idiots because there isn't any kind of tutorial that isn't retarded, and cheaters and abandoners.

EDIT: forgot autistic unlocks and no class limits

MM was such a flop, literally nothing except the lobby screen and medals changed during 6 months.

No placement matches so you have to grind through thousands of idiots because there isn't any kind of tutorial that isn't retarded, and cheaters and abandoners.

EDIT: forgot autistic unlocks and no class limits
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#20
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dizastaMM was such a flop, literally nothing except the lobby screen and medals changed during 6 months.

No placement matches so you have to grind through thousands of idiots because there isn't any kind of tutorial that isn't retarded, and cheaters and abandoners.

EDIT: forgot autistic unlocks and no class limits

And on top of all that some people including me can't connect to Stockholm servers. .D

[quote=dizasta]MM was such a flop, literally nothing except the lobby screen and medals changed during 6 months.

No placement matches so you have to grind through thousands of idiots because there isn't any kind of tutorial that isn't retarded, and cheaters and abandoners.

EDIT: forgot autistic unlocks and no class limits[/quote]
And on top of all that some people including me can't connect to Stockholm servers. .D
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Heres my dump: http://puu.sh/qdJeQ/3dfdef5e57.dmp

Started a few days ago for me after quitting the game after matchmaking at rank 4.
Working on alts/offline and no file fixes have worked for me.

Heres my dump: http://puu.sh/qdJeQ/3dfdef5e57.dmp

Started a few days ago for me after quitting the game after matchmaking at rank 4.
Working on alts/offline and no file fixes have worked for me.
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#22
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DamnEasyHuh, I had some sort of error the other day, i dont remember what the error was but i couldnt start tf2 anymore, so i started in offline mode, then my tf2 started but i couldnt join a server because i was in offline mode, so i restarted steam again then it asked me to get files from the cloud or something, i accepted it and then it worked again, but my config was fucked because it was like from a year old, then a few days later i saw a team fotress 2 folder on my desktop, i guess thats where it was placed because the config in there was the config that was loaded every time so i deleted it and my tf2 worked fine again.

Idk if that was the error though heh

I did it and TF dont crash at start.

[quote=DamnEasy]Huh, I had some sort of error the other day, i dont remember what the error was but i couldnt start tf2 anymore, so i started in offline mode, then my tf2 started but i couldnt join a server because i was in offline mode, so i restarted steam again then it asked me to get files from the cloud or something, i accepted it and then it worked again, but my config was fucked because it was like from a year old, then a few days later i saw a team fotress 2 folder on my desktop, i guess thats where it was placed because the config in there was the config that was loaded every time so i deleted it and my tf2 worked fine again.

Idk if that was the error though heh[/quote]
I did it and TF dont crash at start.
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#23
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flyyyydizastaMM was such a flop, literally nothing except the lobby screen and medals changed during 6 months.

No placement matches so you have to grind through thousands of idiots because there isn't any kind of tutorial that isn't retarded, and cheaters and abandoners.

EDIT: forgot autistic unlocks and no class limits
And on top of all that some people including me can't connect to Stockholm servers. .D

dont worry americans can

[quote=flyyyy][quote=dizasta]MM was such a flop, literally nothing except the lobby screen and medals changed during 6 months.

No placement matches so you have to grind through thousands of idiots because there isn't any kind of tutorial that isn't retarded, and cheaters and abandoners.

EDIT: forgot autistic unlocks and no class limits[/quote]
And on top of all that some people including me can't connect to Stockholm servers. .D[/quote]
dont worry americans can
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#24
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Anyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :(

Anyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :(
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#25
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Spooky_VerkauferAnyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :(

There isn't a known fix for the specific issue we're having, no, and unless Valve fixes it before match time you're probably boned.

With the Error Message Handling being messed up, it's hard to say if #17 is even having the same issue as us, but it's pretty unlikely because even with a full Steam & TF2 folder wipe and refresh install with Steam Cloud off (so it isn't pulling anything over) the game still crashes.

[quote=Spooky_Verkaufer]Anyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :([/quote]

There isn't a known fix for the specific issue we're having, no, and unless Valve fixes it before match time you're probably boned.

With the Error Message Handling being messed up, it's hard to say if #17 is even having the same issue as us, but it's pretty unlikely because even with a full Steam & TF2 folder wipe and refresh install with Steam Cloud off (so it isn't pulling anything over) the game still crashes.
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#26
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DarkNecridSpooky_VerkauferAnyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :(
There isn't a known fix for the specific issue we're having, no, and unless Valve fixes it before match time you're probably boned.

With the Error Message Handling being messed up, it's hard to say if #17 is even having the same issue as us, but it's pretty unlikely because even with a full Steam & TF2 folder wipe and refresh install with Steam Cloud off (so it isn't pulling anything over) the game still crashes.

Hmm.. Well is anyone else having issues launching other games since you have received this crash?

[quote=DarkNecrid][quote=Spooky_Verkaufer]Anyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :([/quote]

There isn't a known fix for the specific issue we're having, no, and unless Valve fixes it before match time you're probably boned.

With the Error Message Handling being messed up, it's hard to say if #17 is even having the same issue as us, but it's pretty unlikely because even with a full Steam & TF2 folder wipe and refresh install with Steam Cloud off (so it isn't pulling anything over) the game still crashes.[/quote]

Hmm.. Well is anyone else having issues launching other games since you have received this crash?
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#27
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Spooky_VerkauferDarkNecridSpooky_VerkauferAnyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :(
There isn't a known fix for the specific issue we're having, no, and unless Valve fixes it before match time you're probably boned.

With the Error Message Handling being messed up, it's hard to say if #17 is even having the same issue as us, but it's pretty unlikely because even with a full Steam & TF2 folder wipe and refresh install with Steam Cloud off (so it isn't pulling anything over) the game still crashes.

Hmm.. Well is anyone else having issues launching other games since you have received this crash?

No, every other game works okay including Valve games.

[quote=Spooky_Verkaufer][quote=DarkNecrid][quote=Spooky_Verkaufer]Anyone with a fix yet?? I have HL tonight and this will be quite a problem :([/quote]

There isn't a known fix for the specific issue we're having, no, and unless Valve fixes it before match time you're probably boned.

With the Error Message Handling being messed up, it's hard to say if #17 is even having the same issue as us, but it's pretty unlikely because even with a full Steam & TF2 folder wipe and refresh install with Steam Cloud off (so it isn't pulling anything over) the game still crashes.[/quote]

Hmm.. Well is anyone else having issues launching other games since you have received this crash?[/quote]

No, every other game works okay including Valve games.
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#28
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Well, I might as well join the club with the dumbs: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ngnfndjzf0ly8d3/AABdRdEYq_8emPikz1DvQ63na?dl=0
Before the game broke it self I played like an hour in matchmaking and ranked up to rank five I'd guess and I wanted to restart my game for a scrim and then it didn't work anymore. alts work etc.

Well, I might as well join the club with the dumbs: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ngnfndjzf0ly8d3/AABdRdEYq_8emPikz1DvQ63na?dl=0
Before the game broke it self I played like an hour in matchmaking and ranked up to rank five I'd guess and I wanted to restart my game for a scrim and then it didn't work anymore. alts work etc.
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#29
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Spooky_VerkauferHmm.. Well is anyone else having issues launching other games since you have received this crash?

I happened to notice LOADOUT does not work either. All my other games Ive tried seem to work. Maybe there is a connection there?

[quote=Spooky_Verkaufer]
Hmm.. Well is anyone else having issues launching other games since you have received this crash?[/quote] I happened to notice LOADOUT does not work either. All my other games Ive tried seem to work. Maybe there is a connection there?
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#30
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Got all the dumps added up. :)

Got all the dumps added up. :)
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