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PARIS TERRORIST ATTACK
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#271
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If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?

The very fact that people disagree on moral issues means that clearly it isn't objective in the slightest.

Religion is toxic to the mind.

If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?

The very fact that people disagree on moral issues means that clearly it isn't objective in the slightest.

Religion is toxic to the mind.
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#272
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#273
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People you obviously know nothing about the crusades so don't compare them, it isn't even close to being the same thing. However I also believe religion has no place in this world.

People you obviously know nothing about the crusades so don't compare them, it isn't even close to being the same thing. However I also believe religion has no place in this world.
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#274
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JaguarFiendYou're basically implying here that morality is objective but it is not. It is subjective and fluid and changes with times.

Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.

[quote=JaguarFiend]
You're basically implying here that morality is objective but it is not. It is subjective and fluid and changes with times.[/quote]

Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.
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#275
marketplace.tf
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valkeriJaguarFiendYou're basically implying here that morality is objective but it is not. It is subjective and fluid and changes with times.
Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.

Yup! Correct.

You're still wrong.

[quote=valkeri][quote=JaguarFiend]
You're basically implying here that morality is objective but it is not. It is subjective and fluid and changes with times.[/quote]

Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.[/quote]

Yup! Correct.

You're still wrong.
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#276
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valkeriJaguarFiendYou're basically implying here that morality is objective but it is not. It is subjective and fluid and changes with times.
Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.

Implying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal

[quote=valkeri][quote=JaguarFiend]
You're basically implying here that morality is objective but it is not. It is subjective and fluid and changes with times.[/quote]

Imagine the worst possible immoral act that you can. If morality is subjective and fluid and changes with times. If morality is decided by society which you also changes. Then it is possible that society could say that that worst possible immoral act that you thought of could be morally acceptable at some point in time.[/quote]

Implying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal
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#277
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Geel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?

Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.

[quote=Geel9]If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?[/quote]

Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.
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#278
marketplace.tf
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valkeriGeel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?
Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.

[quote=valkeri][quote=Geel9]If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?[/quote]

Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.[/quote]

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.
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#279
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AvastImplying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.

[quote=Avast]
Implying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal[/quote]

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.
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#280
marketplace.tf
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valkeriAvastImplying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.

Exactly! That CLEARLY shows that society's views absolutely dictate said society's morals. Holy shit what don't you get about this?

[quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Implying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal[/quote]

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.[/quote]

Exactly! That CLEARLY shows that society's views absolutely dictate said society's morals. Holy shit what don't you get about this?
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#281
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valkeriAvastImplying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.

Um yes? That is the point???

We look back today at that barbarism of the past and realize how shitty it was, it was pretty damn normal for them.

That is the whole point. Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.

[quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Implying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal[/quote]

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.[/quote]

Um yes? That is the point???

We look back today at that barbarism of the past and realize how shitty it was, it was pretty damn normal for them.

That is the whole point. Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
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#282
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Geel9valkeriGeel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?
Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.

Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.

[quote=Geel9][quote=valkeri][quote=Geel9]If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?[/quote]

Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.[/quote]

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.[/quote]
Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.
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#283
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AvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

[quote=Avast]
Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.[/quote]

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?
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#284
marketplace.tf
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SocialiteGeel9valkeriGeel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?
Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.
Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.

Argument from fallacy xD

Yeah, you think about what you DID was bad, not about how what you're DOING is bad. Read my posts please.

valkeriAvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.

[quote=Socialite][quote=Geel9][quote=valkeri][quote=Geel9]If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?[/quote]

Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.[/quote]

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.[/quote]
Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.[/quote]

Argument from fallacy xD

Yeah, you think about what you DID was bad, not about how what you're DOING is bad. Read my posts please.

[quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.[/quote]

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?[/quote]

I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.
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#285
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valkeriAvastImplying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.

Gregory of Nyssa. Everyone has different morality.

[quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Implying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past

Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal[/quote]

In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.[/quote]
Gregory of Nyssa. Everyone has different morality.
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#286
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valkeriAvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?

If you truly believe you would be the same person in what you believe you are delusional and ignoring all the basic tenets of human psychology and child development.

[quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.[/quote]

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?[/quote]

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?

If you truly believe you would be the same person in what you believe you are delusional and ignoring all the basic tenets of human psychology and child development.
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#287
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Geel9SocialiteGeel9valkeriGeel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?
Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.
Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.

Argument from fallacy xD

Yeah, you think about what you DID was bad, not about how what you're DOING is bad. Read my posts please.

What I mean is at no point did I think what I was doing was right. I don't think I was thinking about morality at any point while flushing boiling water at someone. Maybe about if it's justifiable.

[quote=Geel9][quote=Socialite][quote=Geel9][quote=valkeri][quote=Geel9]If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?[/quote]

Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.[/quote]

Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.

Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.[/quote]
Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.[/quote]

Argument from fallacy xD

Yeah, you think about what you DID was bad, not about how what you're DOING is bad. Read my posts please.
[/quote]
What I mean is at no point did I think what I was doing was right. I don't think I was thinking about morality at any point while flushing boiling water at someone. Maybe about if it's justifiable.
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#288
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I don't think its right to not give any blame religion for all this. Obviously Islam isn't what made people do these things and the only reason people kill like this is because of human nature. However in my eyes Islam is not a religion of peace and the quran has many passages that can be interpreted to cause violence, rape ect. People are using the quran and Islam as a religion as an excuse to do these terrible things, this is why ISIS are getting all these followers, people want to do these things and ISIS are using the quran and islam as a way to get people to join and they are almost exploiting it so they can do these horrible things. Islam is not a peaceful religion and people like to get mad whenever somebody says this. All you have to do is google and you will find so many violent, misogynistic passages that ISIS are using to justify and excuse their actions. Its true that the vast majority of muslims have nothing to do with these people but i'm afraid the quran does have some part to blame for all this. If Islam wasn't a violent religion then these people would not be doing this "in the name of Allah"

My point is that people are to blame for this and even if there was no religion, people would still be killing because thats how the world is. However because of Islam these terrorists can use it as a way to brainwash people into joining them thus making them stronger and able to inflict more damage.

I don't think its right to not give any blame religion for all this. Obviously Islam isn't what made people do these things and the only reason people kill like this is because of human nature. However in my eyes Islam is not a religion of peace and the quran has many passages that can be interpreted to cause violence, rape ect. People are using the quran and Islam as a religion as an excuse to do these terrible things, this is why ISIS are getting all these followers, people want to do these things and ISIS are using the quran and islam as a way to get people to join and they are almost exploiting it so they can do these horrible things. Islam is not a peaceful religion and people like to get mad whenever somebody says this. All you have to do is google and you will find so many violent, misogynistic passages that ISIS are using to justify and excuse their actions. Its true that the vast majority of muslims have nothing to do with these people but i'm afraid the quran does have some part to blame for all this. If Islam wasn't a violent religion then these people would not be doing this "in the name of Allah"

My point is that people are to blame for this and even if there was no religion, people would still be killing because thats how the world is. However because of Islam these terrorists can use it as a way to brainwash people into joining them thus making them stronger and able to inflict more damage.
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#289
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AvastvalkeriAvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?

I was born in 20th century in Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :P
I'd say supporting equality in Poland is the same as not supporting slavery back then:P

[quote=Avast][quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.[/quote]

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?[/quote]

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?[/quote]
I was born in 20th century in Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :P
I'd say supporting equality in Poland is the same as not supporting slavery back then:P
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#290
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SocialiteAvastvalkeriAvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?
I was born in 20th century Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :D
I'd say that's the exact same analogy trust me (saying that you don't oppose it here is harder than coming out as gay in western countries :P).

Anecdotal evidence does not disprove history or universal behavioral development models considering three's just as many of your fellow countrymen that do think it is a sin if not more so from your generation.

[quote=Socialite][quote=Avast][quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.[/quote]

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?[/quote]

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?[/quote]
I was born in 20th century Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :D
I'd say that's the exact same analogy trust me (saying that you don't oppose it here is harder than coming out as gay in western countries :P).[/quote]

Anecdotal evidence does not disprove history or universal behavioral development models considering three's just as many of your fellow countrymen that do think it is a sin if not more so from your generation.
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#291
marketplace.tf
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SocialiteAvastvalkeriAvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?
I was born in 20th century in Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :P
I'd say that's the exact same analogy trust me (saying that you don't oppose it here is harder than coming out as gay in western countries).

Yeah but everyone else around you did. Obviously not everyone agrees on morality but that in and of itself still gives MORE credence to the fact that it's all relative.

[quote=Socialite][quote=Avast][quote=valkeri][quote=Avast]
Morals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.[/quote]

You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?[/quote]

Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?[/quote]
I was born in 20th century in Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :P
I'd say that's the exact same analogy trust me (saying that you don't oppose it here is harder than coming out as gay in western countries).[/quote]

Yeah but everyone else around you did. Obviously not everyone agrees on morality but that in and of itself still gives MORE credence to the fact that it's all relative.
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#292
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Geel9I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.

So if today's society decides it is completely moral to have the police come to your house and confiscate all of your possessions and throw you out on the street to be homeless, you are completely fine with that because that is what society has determined to be morally acceptable.

[quote=Geel9]
I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.[/quote]

So if today's society decides it is completely moral to have the police come to your house and confiscate all of your possessions and throw you out on the street to be homeless, you are completely fine with that because that is what society has determined to be morally acceptable.
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#293
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valkeriGeel9I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.
So if today's society decides it is completely moral to have the police come to your house and confiscate all of your possessions and throw you out on the street to be homeless, you are completely fine with that because that is what society has determined to be morally acceptable.

You are literally missing the point it's going so far over your head I don't even think you know what the point is.

WE WILL OBVIOUSLY OBJECT TO MORALS OR CULTURAL NORMS THAT WE WERE NOT RAISED WITH

In the scenario of us being put in a society where that was the norm we would literally have been raised to believe it is normal, and some people will object to it but societal conformation and human group think will 100% ensure many people think it is right

You cannot just throw yourself into another reality with entirely differnt cultural ideals because obviously as we were raised we think that things like that are wrong

Here's a simple thought experiement:

If you had two people one in a country where women aren't allowed to work/vote because of religious/cultural ideas and another where they are for the same but opposite ideas and then suddenly swap them would they both think the other's societies culture is "wrong"?

Edit:

Real world example: United States VS Saudi Arabia we think they're wrong, they think we're wrong yet less than a hundred years ago women still couldn't vote in the US and plenty of people thought that was perfectly normal and fine

[quote=valkeri][quote=Geel9]
I wouldn't be fine with it because my morals are based off the society that I grew up in, not the one that exists in the future.[/quote]

So if today's society decides it is completely moral to have the police come to your house and confiscate all of your possessions and throw you out on the street to be homeless, you are completely fine with that because that is what society has determined to be morally acceptable.[/quote]

You are literally missing the point it's going so far over your head I don't even think you know what the point is.

WE WILL OBVIOUSLY OBJECT TO MORALS OR CULTURAL NORMS THAT WE WERE NOT RAISED WITH

In the scenario of us being put in a society where that was the norm we would literally have been raised to believe it is normal, and some people will object to it but societal conformation and human group think will 100% ensure many people think it is right

You cannot just throw yourself into another reality with entirely differnt cultural ideals because obviously as we were raised we think that things like that are wrong

Here's a simple thought experiement:

If you had two people one in a country where women aren't allowed to work/vote because of religious/cultural ideas and another where they are for the same but opposite ideas and then suddenly swap them would they both think the other's societies culture is "wrong"?

Edit:

Real world example: United States VS Saudi Arabia we think they're wrong, they think we're wrong yet less than a hundred years ago women still couldn't vote in the US and plenty of people thought that was perfectly normal and fine
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#294
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can we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please

can we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please
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#295
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Spannzercan we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please

No that's not what thread derailers like to do

[quote=Spannzer]can we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please[/quote]
No that's not what thread derailers like to do
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#296
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Spannzercan we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please

The thread got derailed a bit but I think it's still a really interesting discussion with a lot of different points being made, discussing the cause of the problem is one of the best ways to understand it.

[quote=Spannzer]can we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please[/quote]
The thread got derailed a bit but I think it's still a really interesting discussion with a lot of different points being made, discussing the cause of the problem is one of the best ways to understand it.
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KanecoSpannzercan we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack pleaseThe thread got derailed a bit but I think it's still a really interesting discussion with a lot of different points being made, discussing the cause of the problem is one of the best ways to understand it.

I second this.

[quote=Kaneco][quote=Spannzer]can we get back to feeling for those affected by the attack please[/quote]
The thread got derailed a bit but I think it's still a really interesting discussion with a lot of different points being made, discussing the cause of the problem is one of the best ways to understand it.[/quote]


I second this.
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sacDavidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened.

FYI I'm English

[quote=sac]
Davidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened. [/quote]

FYI I'm English
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DavidTheWinsacDavidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened.
FYI I'm English

There were few conflicts then :D (dw I'm just nitpicking)

[quote=DavidTheWin][quote=sac]
Davidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened. [/quote]

FYI I'm English[/quote]
There were few conflicts then :D (dw I'm just nitpicking)
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can you fedoras take your philosophy argument to another thread no one here gives a shit

can you fedoras take your philosophy argument to another thread no one here gives a shit
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