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ESEA's possible demise?
721
#721
11 Frags +
defy so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all

...or just get good

[quote=defy] so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all[/quote]
...or just get good
722
#722
-10 Frags +
MemphisVondefy so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all...or just get good

how dare u suggest people practice the game of tf2 they should be able to play at whatever division they want to and have a good game and a participation medal

[quote=MemphisVon][quote=defy] so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all[/quote]
...or just get good[/quote]

how dare u suggest people practice the game of tf2 they should be able to play at whatever division they want to and have a good game and a participation medal
723
#723
3 Frags +
defythis game has been around for a while now, i remember my third season was in IM after playing open for 2 seasons. playing against guys like blackstar, paladin, ruwin, pyyyour wasn't easy at all since they have been around for a while. but i liked the challenge as did the rest of our team. a lot of other people complained wondering why those guys weren't playing invite etc etc, that's been happening for a while now so its no surprise

my point is this, i seriously doubt new players are gonna take any joy in getting destroyed by numerous teams that are way beyond the skill gap of cevo open. and if you think it's only gonna last for 1 season you're in for quite a surprise. it's gonna be like that for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time if cevo sticks around. esea finally started up a main division but i guess thats irrelevant now, yeah its gonna be a rude awakening and all the new players are gonna have to swallow their pride when they get shit stomped in and out each season by new or existing open teams in cevo.

i'll see how long it lasts before even more threads about sandbagging in cevo pop up, when in reality its not sandbagging its automatic placement of new teams because you aren't automatically placed in a higher division, so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all

i got the impression that they were starting out with two divisions for now, and would adjust as the number of teams changed. i could be completely wrong, so please let me know

[quote=defy]this game has been around for a while now, i remember my third season was in IM after playing open for 2 seasons. playing against guys like blackstar, paladin, ruwin, pyyyour wasn't easy at all since they have been around for a while. but i liked the challenge as did the rest of our team. a lot of other people complained wondering why those guys weren't playing invite etc etc, that's been happening for a while now so its no surprise

my point is this, i seriously doubt new players are gonna take any joy in getting destroyed by numerous teams that are way beyond the skill gap of cevo open. and if you think it's only gonna last for 1 season you're in for quite a surprise. it's gonna be like that for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time if cevo sticks around. esea finally started up a main division but i guess thats irrelevant now, yeah its gonna be a rude awakening and all the new players are gonna have to swallow their pride when they get shit stomped in and out each season by new or existing open teams in cevo.

i'll see how long it lasts before even more threads about sandbagging in cevo pop up, when in reality its not sandbagging its automatic placement of new teams because you aren't automatically placed in a higher division, so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all[/quote]

i got the impression that they were starting out with two divisions for now, and would adjust as the number of teams changed. i could be completely wrong, so please let me know
724
#724
2 Frags +
marmadukeGRYLLShttp://cevo.com/forums/topic/6284/team-fortress-2/questions-for-cevo-regarding-tf2/

let's see how long it takes for a response.

no response so far. ticket has been submitted as of ~30 seconds ago. let's see how their customer support is.

[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]
http://cevo.com/forums/topic/6284/team-fortress-2/questions-for-cevo-regarding-tf2/

let's see how long it takes for a response.[/quote]

no response so far. ticket has been submitted as of ~30 seconds ago. let's see how their customer support is.
725
#725
2 Frags +
MemphisVondefy so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all...or just get good

obviously thats a goal for people that are gonna play for a while, but rest assured i think emotion will cloud the judgement of new players/teams...a lot of people often get discouraged when they get rolled. i know thats not the case for everyone, but i believe its going to effect a pretty large majority of new comers

[quote=MemphisVon][quote=defy] so you're gonna have to deal with the 5-0's or not play at all[/quote]
...or just get good[/quote]

obviously thats a goal for people that are gonna play for a while, but rest assured i think emotion will cloud the judgement of new players/teams...a lot of people often get discouraged when they get rolled. i know thats not the case for everyone, but i believe its going to effect a pretty large majority of new comers
726
#726
-2 Frags +

Is this the Proletariat vs. the Bourgeoisie? It seems like people think they're part of some big communist revolution for the working class tf2 player.

Is this the Proletariat vs. the Bourgeoisie? It seems like people think they're part of some big communist revolution for the working class tf2 player.
727
#727
-3 Frags +
TurinIs this the Proletariat vs. the Bourgeoisie? It seems like people think they're part of some big communist revolution for the working class tf2 player.

yes

kill the police

[quote=Turin]Is this the Proletariat vs. the Bourgeoisie? It seems like people think they're part of some big communist revolution for the working class tf2 player.[/quote]

yes

kill the police
728
#728
ESEA
31 Frags +

Alright, so much for my first Teamfortress.TV post, but here it is.

First of all, Killing's in class, so he couldn't answer any of these replies during the day, he had a midterm, but we spoke a few minutes ago.

I am Shooter, League Commissioner for ESEA League. Validation right here; https://play.esea.net/users/131406

As Killing said in previous replies on other threads, in other to have a season of the League, Invite/Main/Intermediate teams need to be paid before we close registration, and we need to have enough teams in the Open division. If the final decision is to NOT have a TF2 season (due to NOT enough teams) within ESEA, everyone who paid league fees will be refunded, once the decision has been taken (it can take a few days).

Alright, so much for my first Teamfortress.TV post, but here it is.

First of all, Killing's in class, so he couldn't answer any of these replies during the day, he had a midterm, but we spoke a few minutes ago.

I am Shooter, League Commissioner for ESEA League. Validation right here; https://play.esea.net/users/131406

As Killing said in previous replies on other threads, in other to have a season of the League, Invite/Main/Intermediate teams need to be paid before we close registration, and we need to have enough teams in the Open division. If the final decision is to NOT have a TF2 season (due to NOT enough teams) within ESEA, everyone who paid league fees will be refunded, once the decision has been taken (it can take a few days).
729
#729
8 Frags +

Shooter please save us

Shooter please save us
730
#730
ESEA
13 Frags +
pokemonizepicShooter please save us

ESEA really want to continue to support the TF2 community, but to do that ESEA needs to have paid teams signed up to the League.

[quote=pokemonizepic]Shooter please save us[/quote] ESEA really want to continue to support the TF2 community, but to do that ESEA needs to have paid teams signed up to the League.
731
#731
2 Frags +
ESEA-ShooterAlright, so much for my first Teamfortress.TV post, but here it is.

First of all, Killing's in class, so he couldn't answer any of these replies during the day, he had a midterm, but we spoke a few minutes ago.

I am Shooter, League Commissioner for ESEA League. Validation right here; https://play.esea.net/users/131406

As Killing said in previous replies on other threads, in other to have a season of the League, Invite/Main/Intermediate teams need to be paid before we close registration, and we need to have enough teams in the Open division. If the final decision is to NOT have a TF2 season (due to NOT enough teams) within ESEA, everyone who paid league fees will be refunded, once the decision has been taken (it can take a few days).

this thread is already 25 pages deep, i'm not sure if killing already addressed this but has the option of gutting main + im and having open + invite been discussed at all? what sort of options/flexibility do you have there

[quote=ESEA-Shooter]Alright, so much for my first Teamfortress.TV post, but here it is.

First of all, Killing's in class, so he couldn't answer any of these replies during the day, he had a midterm, but we spoke a few minutes ago.

I am Shooter, League Commissioner for ESEA League. Validation right here; https://play.esea.net/users/131406

As Killing said in previous replies on other threads, in other to have a season of the League, Invite/Main/Intermediate teams need to be paid before we close registration, and we need to have enough teams in the Open division. If the final decision is to NOT have a TF2 season (due to NOT enough teams) within ESEA, everyone who paid league fees will be refunded, once the decision has been taken (it can take a few days).[/quote]

this thread is already 25 pages deep, i'm not sure if killing already addressed this but has the option of gutting main + im and having open + invite been discussed at all? what sort of options/flexibility do you have there
732
#732
3 Frags +

nvm defy

invite teams should pay up if they want the league to live

nvm defy

invite teams should pay up if they want the league to live
733
#733
0 Frags +
Quessince main + im league fees are higher than open they'd lose money if they did that

invite teams should pay up if they want the league to live

nah just give a refund for the difference in fees.

[quote=Ques]
since main + im league fees are higher than open they'd lose money if they did that

invite teams should pay up if they want the league to live[/quote]

nah just give a refund for the difference in fees.
734
#734
3 Frags +
marmadukeGRYLLSQuessince main + im league fees are higher than open they'd lose money if they did that

invite teams should pay up if they want the league to live

nah just give a refund for the difference in fee.

I think defy's point was that having only 2 prize pots would save money, which I didn't think of.

[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS][quote=Ques]
since main + im league fees are higher than open they'd lose money if they did that

invite teams should pay up if they want the league to live[/quote]

nah just give a refund for the difference in fee.[/quote]
I think defy's point was that having only 2 prize pots would save money, which I didn't think of.
735
#735
-1 Frags +

well ya, i thought that was obvious :P

well ya, i thought that was obvious :P
736
#736
ESEA
7 Frags +
defyESEA-ShooterAlright, so much for my first Teamfortress.TV post, but here it is.

First of all, Killing's in class, so he couldn't answer any of these replies during the day, he had a midterm, but we spoke a few minutes ago.

I am Shooter, League Commissioner for ESEA League. Validation right here; https://play.esea.net/users/131406

As Killing said in previous replies on other threads, in other to have a season of the League, Invite/Main/Intermediate teams need to be paid before we close registration, and we need to have enough teams in the Open division. If the final decision is to NOT have a TF2 season (due to NOT enough teams) within ESEA, everyone who paid league fees will be refunded, once the decision has been taken (it can take a few days).

this thread is already 25 pages deep, i'm not sure if killing already addressed this but has the option of gutting main + im and having open + invite been discussed at all? what sort of options/flexibility do you have there

We have different options in mind, but at the moment, 0 Main, 2 Intermediate, and 2 Open teams paid. That's 4 teams total ready on about ~55 teams combined. I don't think removing divisons would be very welcomed, but I can be wrong.

[quote=defy][quote=ESEA-Shooter]Alright, so much for my first Teamfortress.TV post, but here it is.

First of all, Killing's in class, so he couldn't answer any of these replies during the day, he had a midterm, but we spoke a few minutes ago.

I am Shooter, League Commissioner for ESEA League. Validation right here; https://play.esea.net/users/131406

As Killing said in previous replies on other threads, in other to have a season of the League, Invite/Main/Intermediate teams need to be paid before we close registration, and we need to have enough teams in the Open division. If the final decision is to NOT have a TF2 season (due to NOT enough teams) within ESEA, everyone who paid league fees will be refunded, once the decision has been taken (it can take a few days).[/quote]

this thread is already 25 pages deep, i'm not sure if killing already addressed this but has the option of gutting main + im and having open + invite been discussed at all? what sort of options/flexibility do you have there[/quote]

We have different options in mind, but at the moment, 0 Main, 2 Intermediate, and 2 Open teams paid. That's 4 teams total ready on about ~55 teams combined. I don't think removing divisons would be very welcomed, but I can be wrong.
737
#737
4 Frags +

oh shit pipher is apparently typing his reply to my thread right now. i'm hyped, hopefully i look like an idiot and cevo turns out to be the shit since esea is looking like its fucked.

oh shit pipher is apparently typing his reply to my thread right now. i'm hyped, hopefully i look like an idiot and cevo turns out to be the shit since esea is looking like its fucked.
738
#738
15 Frags +
ESEA-Shooter[

We have different options in mind, but at the moment, 0 Main, 2 Intermediate, and 2 Open teams paid. That's 4 teams total ready on about ~55 teams combined. I don't think removing divisons would be very welcomed, but I can be wrong.

you need to be more vocal about what options you're considering/keeping us updated. telling people we will have an esea season no matter what would get a LOT of teams paid up. word on the street is that esea is dead so i dont think you're gonna see very many people paying up regardless of if that's true or not.

no offense to you directly, but you guys are shitting the bed and should probably stop doing that.

[quote=ESEA-Shooter][

We have different options in mind, but at the moment, 0 Main, 2 Intermediate, and 2 Open teams paid. That's 4 teams total ready on about ~55 teams combined. I don't think removing divisons would be very welcomed, but I can be wrong.[/quote]

you need to be more vocal about what options you're considering/keeping us updated. telling people we will have an esea season no matter what would get a LOT of teams paid up. word on the street is that esea is dead so i dont think you're gonna see very many people paying up regardless of if that's true or not.

no offense to you directly, but you guys are shitting the bed and should probably stop doing that.
739
#739
-1 Frags +
blinKQuindaliblinKI'm not against CEVO at all I just think that letting ESEA disappear is going to be an extremely bad move for the community and create a big fallout of top level players.
You say this as if it's within one person's power to change the outcome. ESEA disappearance's proximate cause is the lack of open teams registering this season. But what are the ultimate causes? It's a combination of factors that have been a long time in the works and the most accurate place of blame if you're looking for it is ESEA themselves. If they gave open teams a reason to register, then the open teams would've registered. ESEA let itself die by its inaction and lack of initiative in improving its league or accomodating its players. No one "let" anything happen.

I like you Quin, you know I do. So i'll just lay it all out right here in one single ginormous question that everyone would love to know and please don't spare any details.

Question:
Do you really think in just a few days you will be able to offer a league that's an equal to ESEA AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, or do you think that will take a good amount of time? 4 competitive divisions, website functioning, servers, lans, etc.

My own personal question:
If the answer is no, which it has to be, then why have you guys been campaigning for months when you knew it would come to this? Not saying it's bad, if CEVO was 100% ready to provide something equal to what ESEA provides I wouldn't even be posting this right now. But clearly there's much to be done. So my own personal question is, since the malware is gone in ESEA, why do YOU think we need to change?

ESEA has been around for 16 seasons they shouldn't have to campaign for newer players like you guys did. They could always improve their system but they don't need an entire overhaul like CEVO does. Never before have I ever really seen ESEA on the forums campaigning for new members because everyone already knew that was our "premier" league. Obviously you guys joining forces with CEVO and making a big run for it publically when this has never happened before would split the community. So if this was your intention then I really hope you, Lange, and everyone else all of whom I respect really know what you're doing. Otherwise you're going to put a big hurt on competitive TF2 for absolutely no reason at all besides shifting websites and putting out a lesser quality league initially. In a game that's 7 years old and already questionably in decline competitively it's a real fragile situation.

Do you really think if CEVO hadn't come about, that ESEA would be having these problems filling up their open division? I don't think so. If it's not broke don't fix it. That's my opinion. And I don't really like ESEA as a company I just enjoy the best competition. I don't like to work either. I have to go there though to make money unfortunately if I want to have nice things in life.

I stopped paying attention to this thread but someone else showed me this so here we go:

"Do you really think in just a few days you will be able to offer a league that's an equal to ESEA AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, or do you think that will take a good amount of time?"

  • No one has ever advocated CEVO as an equal to ESEA in terms of current competition, establishment, legacy, or service. When I talk to everyone about CEVO, the main point I stress is that if we build a better foundation now, the league will only grow faster and develop even more. If you start strong, there's less to fix in the future and you can continue building up from there. I said this in another post, if you really want me to find, I will because I can.

"Obviously you guys joining forces with CEVO and making a big run for it publically when this has never happened before would split the community. So if this was your intention then I really hope you, Lange, and everyone else all of whom I respect really know what you're doing."

  • AGAIN - I WANTED TO PLAY IN ESEA. My team was the first one to start paying in IM because that's how weird and on top of my shit I am. My new players joined roster the day they unlocked and I immediately paid for 3 people. I created a CEVO roster and described it "jk not actually doing this" (see previous pastebin that someone kept for some reason). The only reason I am volunteer staff for CEVO now is because I knew two weeks ago that ESEA was going to die. If you'll recall blink, who was the one who messaged you first about all this which turned into you starting this thread? Who messaged 50+ other leaders and players telling them of this possibility? And you know what I did from there? I added cevo captains. I talked to cevo captains. And that's how I knew that no, we wouldn't get enough teams in ESEA, so yes-- CEVO is probably our only chance to play competitive this season. So you can direct your "why'd you have to split the community" question somewhere else, because my only intent was to foster the growth and improvement of CEVO as much as possible only after I knew ESEA was going to die.

"ESEA has been around for 16 seasons they shouldn't have to campaign for newer players like you guys did."

  • Establishment and seniority don't mean automatic domination of a consumer group. Just because esea's been around for a while doesn't mean it WILL BE around forever. When it comes down to it, a competitive league is providing a service. Teams/players consume that service. And as I and many others have said before-- after last season's horrible track record (delayed registration by a month, rosters took forever to unlock, client was broken week 1, people had to play over thanksgiving, etc etc etc LIST GOES ON FOREVER) on top of the continuing complaints of server lag, history of client problems + bitcoin rep, and clear lack of response to requests for things like soap dm, better stats, EVERYTHING. Yes. ESEA DOES have to campaign for new players. Because if there's an alternative out there like CEVO then they should be competing to keep their customers.

TL;DR ESEA killed itself. I'm only trying to make sure CEVO's the best it can be now so it'll flourish faster and get to a level that will hopefully be better than ESEA ever was.

Never going on forums again I can't believe this is 25 pages.

goddamnit edit:
"Do you really think if CEVO hadn't come about, that ESEA would be having these problems filling up their open division?"

  • From PAGE FUCKING 4 LORD JESUS CHRIST:
    1) ESEA's higher divisions have never looked stronger than right now. Open is empty.
    2) CEVO's initially registered teams and a majority of the currently 91 rosters are new players.
    Of course not. If there were no competition, then ESEA would continue to have a monopoly.
[quote=blinK][quote=Quindali][quote=blinK]I'm not against CEVO at all I just think that letting ESEA disappear is going to be an extremely bad move for the community and create a big fallout of top level players.[/quote]

You say this as if it's within one person's power to change the outcome. ESEA disappearance's proximate cause is the lack of open teams registering this season. But what are the ultimate causes? It's a combination of factors that have been a long time in the works and the most accurate place of blame if you're looking for it is ESEA themselves. If they gave open teams a reason to register, then the open teams would've registered. ESEA let itself die by its inaction and lack of initiative in improving its league or accomodating its players. No one "let" anything happen.[/quote]

I like you Quin, you know I do. So i'll just lay it all out right here in one single ginormous question that everyone would love to know and please don't spare any details.

Question:
Do you really think in just a few days you will be able to offer a league that's an equal to ESEA AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, or do you think that will take a good amount of time? 4 competitive divisions, website functioning, servers, lans, etc.

My own personal question:
If the answer is no, which it has to be, then why have you guys been campaigning for months when you knew it would come to this? Not saying it's bad, if CEVO was 100% ready to provide something equal to what ESEA provides I wouldn't even be posting this right now. But clearly there's much to be done. So my own personal question is, since the malware is gone in ESEA, why do YOU think we need to change?

ESEA has been around for 16 seasons they shouldn't have to campaign for newer players like you guys did. They could always improve their system but they don't need an entire overhaul like CEVO does. Never before have I ever really seen ESEA on the forums campaigning for new members because everyone already knew that was our "premier" league. Obviously you guys joining forces with CEVO and making a big run for it publically when this has never happened before would split the community. So if this was your intention then I really hope you, Lange, and everyone else all of whom I respect really know what you're doing. Otherwise you're going to put a big hurt on competitive TF2 for absolutely no reason at all besides shifting websites and putting out a lesser quality league initially. In a game that's 7 years old and already questionably in decline competitively it's a real fragile situation.

Do you really think if CEVO hadn't come about, that ESEA would be having these problems filling up their open division? I don't think so. If it's not broke don't fix it. That's my opinion. And I don't really like ESEA as a company I just enjoy the best competition. I don't like to work either. I have to go there though to make money unfortunately if I want to have nice things in life.[/quote]


I stopped paying attention to this thread but someone else showed me this so here we go:

[i]"Do you really think in just a few days you will be able to offer a league that's an equal to ESEA AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, or do you think that will take a good amount of time?"[/i]
[list]
[*] No one has ever advocated CEVO as an equal to ESEA in terms of current competition, establishment, legacy, or service. When I talk to everyone about CEVO, the main point I stress is that if we build a better foundation now, the league will only grow faster and develop even more. If you start strong, there's less to fix in the future and you can continue building up from there. I said this in another post, if you really want me to find, I will because I can.
[/list]
[i]"Obviously you guys joining forces with CEVO and making a big run for it publically when this has never happened before would split the community. So if this was your intention then I really hope you, Lange, and everyone else all of whom I respect really know what you're doing."[/i]
[list]
[*] AGAIN - I WANTED TO PLAY IN ESEA. My team was the first one to start paying in IM because that's how weird and on top of my shit I am. My new players joined roster the day they unlocked and I immediately paid for 3 people. I created a CEVO roster and described it "jk not actually doing this" (see previous pastebin that someone kept for some reason). The only reason I am volunteer staff for CEVO now is because [b]I knew two weeks ago that ESEA was going to die.[/b] If you'll recall blink, who was the one who messaged you first about all this which turned into you starting this thread? Who messaged 50+ other leaders and players telling them of this possibility? And you know what I did from there? I added cevo captains. [b]I talked to cevo captains.[/b] And that's how I knew that no, we wouldn't get enough teams in ESEA, so yes-- CEVO is probably our only chance to play competitive this season. So you can direct your "why'd you have to split the community" question somewhere else, because my only intent was to foster the growth and improvement of CEVO as much as possible [b]only after I knew ESEA was going to die.[/b]
[/list]
[i]"ESEA has been around for 16 seasons they shouldn't have to campaign for newer players like you guys did."[/i]
[list]
[*] Establishment and seniority don't mean automatic domination of a consumer group. Just because esea's been around for a while doesn't mean it WILL BE around forever. When it comes down to it, a competitive league is providing a service. Teams/players consume that service. And as I and many others have said before-- after last season's horrible track record (delayed registration by a month, rosters took forever to unlock, client was broken week 1, people had to play over thanksgiving, etc etc etc LIST GOES ON FOREVER) on top of the continuing complaints of server lag, history of client problems + bitcoin rep, and clear lack of response to requests for things like soap dm, better stats, EVERYTHING. Yes. ESEA DOES have to campaign for new players. Because if there's an alternative out there like CEVO then they should be competing to keep their customers.
[/list]

TL;DR ESEA killed itself. I'm only trying to make sure CEVO's the best it can be now so it'll flourish faster and get to a level that will hopefully be better than ESEA ever was.

Never going on forums again I can't believe this is 25 pages.

goddamnit edit:
[i]"Do you really think if CEVO hadn't come about, that ESEA would be having these problems filling up their open division?"[/i][list]
[*] From [url=http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/16083-eseas-possible-demise/4#post-101]PAGE FUCKING 4[/url] LORD JESUS CHRIST:
1) ESEA's higher divisions have never looked stronger than right now. Open is empty.
2) CEVO's initially registered teams and a majority of the currently 91 rosters are new players.
Of course not. If there were no competition, then ESEA would continue to have a monopoly.
[/list]
740
#740
14 Frags +

OK time to pay up 6 hours.

OK time to pay up 6 hours.
741
#741
ESEA
16 Frags +
marmadukeGRYLLSESEA-Shooter[

We have different options in mind, but at the moment, 0 Main, 2 Intermediate, and 2 Open teams paid. That's 4 teams total ready on about ~55 teams combined. I don't think removing divisons would be very welcomed, but I can be wrong.

you need to be more vocal about what options you're considering/keeping us updated. telling people we will have an esea season no matter what would get a LOT of teams paid up. word on the street is that esea is dead so i dont think you're gonna see very many people paying up regardless of if that's true or not.

no offense to you directly, but you guys are shitting the bed and should probably stop doing that.

I think ESEA has said pretty much since the beginning that anyone who registered would be refunded if at the end not enough teams showed interests to play on ESEA.

Before announcing options, I think it would be worth it to keep the 4 divisions format, simply because it would be the best season so far (as I've heard...).

[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS][quote=ESEA-Shooter][

We have different options in mind, but at the moment, 0 Main, 2 Intermediate, and 2 Open teams paid. That's 4 teams total ready on about ~55 teams combined. I don't think removing divisons would be very welcomed, but I can be wrong.[/quote]

you need to be more vocal about what options you're considering/keeping us updated. telling people we will have an esea season no matter what would get a LOT of teams paid up. word on the street is that esea is dead so i dont think you're gonna see very many people paying up regardless of if that's true or not.

no offense to you directly, but you guys are shitting the bed and should probably stop doing that.[/quote]

I think ESEA has said pretty much since the beginning that anyone who registered would be refunded if at the end not enough teams showed interests to play on ESEA.

Before announcing options, I think it would be worth it to keep the 4 divisions format, simply because it would be the best season so far (as I've heard...).
742
#742
12 Frags +

I dig that people would get refunded but my point is if people are a little tight on cash/worried about how long the delay will be on a refund why not guarantee the season if that's what it takes?

More people would be interested if you guys were more vocal man, look at how many cevo idiots post walls of text on here about random shit. like someone just posted this list of things "cevo did for us" and it was shit like "made cevo servers available for matches" and "made players pay $15 to pay and then made a prize pot with that money" like this is a big deal or some selfless act of cevo.

DO SOMETHING PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I dig that people would get refunded but my point is if people are a little tight on cash/worried about how long the delay will be on a refund why not guarantee the season if that's what it takes?

More people would be interested if you guys were more vocal man, look at how many cevo idiots post walls of text on here about random shit. like someone just posted this list of things "cevo did for us" and it was shit like "made cevo servers available for matches" and "made players pay $15 to pay and then made a prize pot with that money" like this is a big deal or some selfless act of cevo.

DO SOMETHING PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
743
#743
ESEA
8 Frags +
marmadukeGRYLLSI dig that people would get refunded but my point is if people are a little tight on cash/worried about how long the delay will be on a refund why not guarantee the season if that's what it takes?

More people would be interested if you guys were more vocal man, look at how many cevo idiots post walls of text on here about random shit. like someone just posted this list of things "cevo did for us" and it was shit like "made cevo servers available for matches" and "made players pay $15 to pay and then made a prize pot with that money" like this is a big deal or some selfless act of cevo.

DO SOMETHING PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The refund wouldn't be very long to process on our end (not sure about how Paypal does it, though).

I can't guarantee a season, but if enough teams sign up, ESEA will really look into it to have a season. Look at last season's number, and compare to this season... :S

[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]I dig that people would get refunded but my point is if people are a little tight on cash/worried about how long the delay will be on a refund why not guarantee the season if that's what it takes?

More people would be interested if you guys were more vocal man, look at how many cevo idiots post walls of text on here about random shit. like someone just posted this list of things "cevo did for us" and it was shit like "made cevo servers available for matches" and "made players pay $15 to pay and then made a prize pot with that money" like this is a big deal or some selfless act of cevo.

DO SOMETHING PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE[/quote]

The refund wouldn't be very long to process on our end (not sure about how Paypal does it, though).

I can't guarantee a season, but if enough teams sign up, ESEA will really look into it to have a season. Look at last season's number, and compare to this season... :S
744
#744
9 Frags +

Ok so ESEA has 2 different plans in mind. Please TELL US what those plans are. You should probably get some feedback from us first. This will of course require you to extend registration. There is no way we will get ~50 teams fully paid in the next few hours, especially if we have no idea what the "plans" are.

- extend registration
- tell us the options
- give us time to pay

EDIT: also, if this season is scrapped please don't drop TF2. If cevo falls through everyone will come back.

Ok so ESEA has 2 different plans in mind. Please TELL US what those plans are. You should probably get some feedback from us first. This will of course require you to extend registration. There is no way we will get ~50 teams fully paid in the next few hours, especially if we have no idea what the "plans" are.

- extend registration
- tell us the options
- give us time to pay


EDIT: also, if this season is scrapped please don't drop TF2. If cevo falls through everyone will come back.
745
#745
2 Frags +
Never going on forums again I can't believe this is 25 pages.

oh i'm sure we will be graced with your idiotic presence again, thanks for stopping by

[quote]Never going on forums again I can't believe this is 25 pages.[/quote]

oh i'm sure we will be graced with your idiotic presence again, thanks for stopping by
746
#746
4 Frags +

alright so pipher replied http://cevo.com/forums/topic/6284/team-fortress-2/questions-for-cevo-regarding-tf2/

tl;dr version:
-they might have ddos protection on their servers, they might not

-no guarantee on getting a reschedule if ddos'ed, case by case basis (they like to think they're fair about it)

-they should be able to roughly triple the prize pool of this season so no increase in fees next season even with new divisions

-cevo-p "more than likely" to be in next season, another division (im/main/whatever they call it) as well if participation increases

-increased prize pots (no defined amount) and prestige to tempt teams to play in the highest possible divisions/not sandbag

-you can file a formal dispute if you think someone's cheating (tf2 staff--no clue who--reviews a demo or something?)

-supposedly paladin ring0/kernel cheat proof

alright so pipher replied http://cevo.com/forums/topic/6284/team-fortress-2/questions-for-cevo-regarding-tf2/

tl;dr version:
-they might have ddos protection on their servers, they might not

-no guarantee on getting a reschedule if ddos'ed, case by case basis (they like to think they're fair about it)

-they should be able to roughly triple the prize pool of this season so no increase in fees next season even with new divisions

-cevo-p "more than likely" to be in next season, another division (im/main/whatever they call it) as well if participation increases

-increased prize pots (no defined amount) and prestige to tempt teams to play in the highest possible divisions/not sandbag

-you can file a formal dispute if you think someone's cheating (tf2 staff--no clue who--reviews a demo or something?)

-supposedly paladin ring0/kernel cheat proof
747
#747
1 Frags +

i like that pipher replied, but there was a LOT of "more than likely" and "should be able to" and "hopefully" esque words. felt a lot like an esea post just worded less abrasively. idk, hopefully all his replies were the truth and cevo is the shit.

i like that pipher replied, but there was a LOT of "more than likely" and "should be able to" and "hopefully" esque words. felt a lot like an esea post just worded less abrasively. idk, hopefully all his replies were the truth and cevo is the shit.
748
#748
ESEA
27 Frags +
thrasherOk so ESEA has 2 different plans in mind. Please TELL US what those plans are. You should probably get some feedback from us first. This will of course require you to extend registration. There is no way we will get ~50 teams fully paid in the next few hours, especially if we have no idea what the "plans" are.

- extend registration
- tell us the options
- give us time to pay

Extending registration is always an option for us, depending the numbers we have once we close it.
The prefered options is to have the 4 divisions (like I said earlier) Invite/Main/Intermediate/Open.

I'll run some numbers, and I'll post here the minimum. Would that help?

[quote=thrasher]Ok so ESEA has 2 different plans in mind. Please TELL US what those plans are. You should probably get some feedback from us first. This will of course require you to extend registration. There is no way we will get ~50 teams fully paid in the next few hours, especially if we have no idea what the "plans" are.

- extend registration
- tell us the options
- give us time to pay[/quote]

Extending registration is always an option for us, depending the numbers we have once we close it.
The prefered options is to have the 4 divisions (like I said earlier) Invite/Main/Intermediate/Open.

I'll run some numbers, and I'll post here the minimum. Would that help?
749
#749
3 Frags +

yes. minimum numbers would help, for both a 4 division season and a 2 division season. i know 4 division is the goal as it looks like shit if we have to drop to 2 but you guys fucked up big time and did next to nothing to remedy the situation. it's desperation time if you guys care at all about your tf2 division.

yes. minimum numbers would help, for both a 4 division season and a 2 division season. i know 4 division is the goal as it looks like shit if we have to drop to 2 but you guys fucked up big time and did next to nothing to remedy the situation. it's desperation time if you guys care at all about your tf2 division.
750
#750
2 Frags +

Would a 2 division season have a LAN?

Would a 2 division season have a LAN?
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