#1462
Yeah, I'll make the list in 2 weeks, just post again if I forget to.

#1463
Budget in Kn would actually be better. I'll get on it later today.

Hey it's me your brother.

http://i.imgur.com/GKLWRYB.png

I even toned it down a bit. I wonder if I could max it out.

http://i.imgur.com/UDOe1ct.png

I am anarcho Ghandi.

#1459
Difficult.
Getting a used PC would probably be better.
The problem is that there's no cheap FM2+ and no FM2 mobos at all in that shop. So even with an A4-4000 it ends up at 500 just for the CPU + mobo. A Pentium which is significantly faster + mobo are "only" 550. But either way once you add RAM, an HDD or SSD you're already over budget.

So the only option is an AM1 build with a Sempron, similar to what they are already offering.
http://en.ksp.co.il/?select=.269..391.&list=1&sort=2&glist=0&uin=22896&txt_search=&buy=&minprice=0&maxprice=0&intersect=..

Not exactly great, I think you should be able to find something better used.

#1460
I don't know, it's for you not for me. But I guess it should be enough. Has worked out for me so far.
850 Evo? Sandisk Extreme Pro if you want something faster, 850 Pro is even faster than that. Obviously more expensive.

High or highest? How much fps though. There's a huge difference between 30, 60 and 120/144 in terms of GPU power required. For 60 fps I'd say an RX 470 is enough.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-470,4703-4.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-470,4703-5.html

#1455
600-700 ILS?

#1456
Everything seems to be fine.
Pretty good actually.

#1457
GPU and SSD yes. Cooler no.
Unless I'm mistaken H67 only allows you to lock the multiplier to the highest turbo and your old cooler should be able to handle that.

Size for the SSD?
Rough target for the GPU? As in game / settings / resolution / fps. No point in upgrading just for the sake of upgrading.

#1453
Sure I will.
I'll wait two weeks though if that's ok for you so I see what prices the 480 ends up at and more importantly which ones will be in stock at all.

#1450
Any budget? I don't want to cheap out too much.

#1451
Yep, that's a trainwreck.

Some things I'd change and some questions before I figure out a better part list.

The most important thing first:
"ASRock Z170 PRO4/D3, Z170, DualDDR3-1600"
"DDR4 Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB 2666MHz CL15"
That's not going to work. It wouldn't even fit.

Next the 212 Evo, same as AiOs, it has no right to be used that much. I mean when it's on sale for 20$, maybe 25$, sure it's a decent cooler. But twice that? Yeah not happening. There's enough coolers out there that are cooler, quieter and cheaper at the same time. I'll have to check which one is the best in that shop but I've already seen the ETS-T40.

Related to the cooler, are you going to overclock? If you have to cheap out on the cooler something is wrong. You're paying 40€ just for the K CPU not to mention the Z170 mobo. Saving 20€ on the cooler and ending up with a 5% overclock really isn't worth it.
What I'm trying to say is only pay for overclocking if you actually want and need the better performance. And then actually do it, not just have a K CPU and a big cooler and run on stock speeds. If you don't you just wasted money.

I wouldn't recommend the 750 Evo. It's not cheap enough to be a budget SSD and not fast enough to justify the price either.

As for the HDD the Seagate Barracuda is cheaper and faster.

PSU isn't good either. Also 650W make no sense.

Last but not least, the GPU.
How soon are you going to build? 307€ for a reference 480 is insane. The best custom designs should be that price and they are much faster, plus they can overclocked properly since they don't run it the power and temperature limit nearly as soon.

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Amazon offering 20% refund.

#8
The driver hides it fairly well, but yes, it's still terrible in games that just grab all the VRAM they can. The funny thing is I think it would work best with not all of those 0.5GB disabled. Windows/Desktop need a bit as well, so having an extra 256MB for stuff that won't be used anyway is probably beneficial so I can see why they kept it.

The real issue is that both parts can't be accessed simultaneously. Sure read on one, write on the other works fine, but not reads or writes on both at the same time. If that weren't the case no one would notice. Normal usage 7/8 of the 980's bandwidth, in line with the 970's performance. Absolute worst case the 0.5GB swapping at full speed it steals you the same bandwidth from the fast section so you're still at 6/8=3/4. The way it is as soon as something needs to be swapped half your bandwidth is gone.

To be honest though on 1080p any halfway decent game won't need even 3GB. An those that do wouldn't run at acceptable framerates no matter how much VRAM the 970 had. I just don't understand why those people that complain about "3.5GB isn't enough, you need at least 4GB" didn't just get a 390 in the first place.

There's also two sides to this. From an engineering standpoint it's pretty impressive and probably got them really good yields.
From a business perspective it is either a embarassing fuck up, if you actually believe that nVidia's PR and marketing team are that incompetent or horribly anti consumer if they tried to hide it.

Now the rest is just you complaining about DX12 support which you apparently still don't understand.
nVidia does support DX12 natively. They even support some features that AMD doesn't support yet. Fun fact: Skylake iGPUs have the most comprehensive DX12 support, doesn't change the fact that they are still shit. There is nothing evil going on there. Yet.
So nVidia cards do have native DX12 support, no problems here.
They only thing where bullshit happens is Async Compute. Async Compute is not required for DX12. However it is a very nice feature that can get you a performance boost. Now the thing is Maxwell does not support AC in hardware. They wrote a weird software work around but it's bullshit since it actually costs performance. So any developer worth their salt (which they if they use AC) won't use AC on Maxwell, even though nVidia supports it. This is the kind of hair-splitting marketing loves. They support it but it doesn't help at all. But they can rightfully say they support it.

Now onto Pascal, where it gets interesting. If I recall correctly Maxwell lost about 1% performance with AC, Pascal gains 2%. Here's the thing: Pascal supports AC in hardware. This is as good as it'll get without significant architectural changes. nVidia's architecture has a limitation that really screws up AC: Each GPC can only work on one problem at a time. That means if there's only one GPC (the coming GP107 and GP108) then AC is completely useless. If there's only 2 like on the GP106 (GTX 1060) then half of the GPU has to work on the same thing. That's terrible granularity. You can see why they didn't bother implementing AC in hardware before DX12 was released.
nVidia already gets really good utilization so they probably figure that adding ACEs wasn't worth it. Simply using that space for more units gives them better performance even without AC.

They still get a performance boost from DX12, just not much from AC. The lower CPU overhead is also still there, just like on AMD.

So apart from marketing bending the truth (which you should expect) or in the case of the 970 either fucking up or outright lying, both of which are unacceptable, nVidia did nothing wrong.

However there's still reasons why you should buy an AMD card instead if there is one that is competitive.
1. If the cards were virtually interchangeable you should get the AMD card. Why? To raise their market share. Look at the Titans. Look at the Founders Editions. This is the kind of price gouging that happens because is so close to a monopolistic position. That's just business. If you let them jack up the prices they will.
2. AMD isn't financially well off. That means they aren't developing many new architectures. GCN is 5 years old at this point and is going to stay for a while. So a lot of the driver improvements for new cards still trickle down to the old cards. Both AMD and nVidia will only optimize for the newer cards, nothing wrong with that. But on AMD you still get some improvements on older cards anyway.
3. AMD drivers are terrible on launch. How is that a good thing? Well it means that if a card is just as fast as an nVidia card now (and priced accordingly) it will be faster in the long run. Because the optimizations over time don't yield nearly as good results on nVidias side, since those drivers are already pretty good.
4. DX12 / Async Compute and most importantly Vulkan. AMD cards can generally do a lot more than you can see at first because compilers don't even know these things exist and therefore don't use it. So low level APIs that do know about them automatically mean a significant performance boost. AC also helps with utilization.

2-4 are basically all about the same thing. AMD cards are technically sold "below value". They are priced to compete now, but they get faster.

Keep in mind all of this only matters if the cards are close. Same price nVidia 5% faster? I'd say AMD hands down. 30% faster? Yeah, not happening, sorry AMD.

tl;dr
You're attacking nVidia for the wrong reasons.
AMD is the better deal most of the time though anyway.

EDIT:
#9
Nope, they cut off all that shit on the 970M. Only 3GB (or 6GB) so everything working as expected.

#1447
Ok, with the 50€ saved by not needing a case it should be easy.

#1448
Should be the GeForce 210.
But holy shit that pc is old.

#4
The GPU isn't made by MSI. MSI just slapped a different cooler on it. It's still the same GPU, "made" by nVidia (it's actually "built" by TSMC but let's not go there), it got the same problem so nVidia still has to pay you those 30$.

#1445
1920x1080 = res
high refers to quality or settings.
Yes, I know not only Overwatch, that's why I asked what other games. "Not overwatch specifically" and "games similar to that" doesn't tell me anything I don't know already.

The case should be fine. Anything else that you could reuse?

Here's the rough draft:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€209.00 @ Amazon Italia)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€84.92 @ Amazon Italia)
Memory: G.Skill NT Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€61.99 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€93.17 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€49.40 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card (€250.00)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€47.31 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: be quiet! 400W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€57.26 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €853.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 21:10 CEST+0200

Some of these parts are just placeholders until I get around to manually searching for better/cheaper alternatives, don't have time to finish it today.

You could in theory buy everything except the GPU already, but prices should improve a bit if you wait so you might as well just get everything in one go in 2 or 3 weeks.

Forgot to talk about that. I'm assuming 1920x1080? Which games exactly?
Just making sure, I know an RX 480 will be plenty for Overwatch and FIFA.

Yeah that PSU makes no sense for you. That build needs less than half of that wattage.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to afford it either.

Last thingg: Links to the shops you'll be buying from or a price comparision site? PcPartpicker isn't great for Italy.

So I've looked at your previous post again and I'm a bit confused now.

What do you mean maybe a PSU? Are you going to reuse parts?

At least 500€ or maximum 500€?

#1437
Which CAD programs? As in would you benefit from Hyperthreading? If you don't know the name of the programs should be enough.

Are you going to overclock?

Which games? What settings/resolution/fps are you aiming for?

When are you going to buy it? As in fairly soon (<2 weeks) or is this just some planning a couple of months in advance to figure out if the budget is enough?