Asus 144hz for $250

#1

smakers

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It's not a super steep discount, but for those of you who are in the market, the egg has the VG248QE for $249 with the promo code EMCPBPB24. It's $269 or so on Amazon these days.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313

It's not a super steep discount, but for those of you who are in the market, the egg has the VG248QE for $249 with the promo code [b]EMCPBPB24[/b]. It's $269 or so on Amazon these days.

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#2

Hellbent

Momentum Mod

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Fucking amazing monitor buy one now if you haven't already

Lightboost !!!

Fucking amazing monitor buy one now if you haven't already

Lightboost !!!

#3

tornados2111

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If someone was going to buy this monitor just because of the lightboost feature, I'd suggest against it if you are looking to just play tf2. It adds slight input lag, but more importantly personally haven't found the zero persistence to help much with tracking. In tf2 it's all about the approximate muscle memory, not singling out each frame. If you're running on a high framerate, you're likely getting persistence from say 2 or 3 frames, which doesn't effect hitting or missing someone

Otherwise of course having a good 120/144Hz is amazing :D I have nothing against them in principal, check out the deal!

If someone was going to buy this monitor just because of the lightboost feature, I'd suggest against it if you are looking to just play tf2. It adds slight input lag, but more importantly personally haven't found the zero persistence to help much with tracking. In tf2 it's all about the approximate muscle memory, not singling out each frame. If you're running on a high framerate, you're likely getting persistence from say 2 or 3 frames, which doesn't effect hitting or missing someone

Otherwise of course having a good 120/144Hz is amazing :D I have nothing against them in principal, check out the deal!

#4

Timo

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I don't think they ship to germany

#5

cMw

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Amazing monitor absolutely love it

#6

downpour

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tornados2111If someone was going to buy this monitor just because of the lightboost feature, I'd suggest against it if you are looking to just play tf2. It adds slight input lag, but more importantly personally haven't found the zero persistence to help much with tracking. In tf2 it's all about the approximate muscle memory, not singling out each frame. If you're running on a high framerate, you're likely getting persistence from say 2 or 3 frames, which doesn't effect hitting or missing someone

Otherwise of course having a good 120/144Hz is amazing :D I have nothing against them in principal, check out the deal!

can you link some sources? i just want to be sure about this because lightboost is the most satisfied with a product ive ever been, the difference from 144Hz w/o lightboost to 120Hz with lightboost is actually incredible and if it does cause input lag then ill be very sad.

[quote=tornados2111]If someone was going to buy this monitor just because of the lightboost feature, I'd suggest against it if you are looking to just play tf2. It adds slight input lag, but more importantly personally haven't found the zero persistence to help much with tracking. In tf2 it's all about the approximate muscle memory, not singling out each frame. If you're running on a high framerate, you're likely getting persistence from say 2 or 3 frames, which doesn't effect hitting or missing someone

Otherwise of course having a good 120/144Hz is amazing :D I have nothing against them in principal, check out the deal![/quote]
can you link some sources? i just want to be sure about this because lightboost is the most satisfied with a product ive ever been, the difference from 144Hz w/o lightboost to 120Hz with lightboost is actually incredible and if it does cause input lag then ill be very sad.

#7

CommonPleb

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I love this monitor but lightboosting it doesn't really make that big of a difference for me it just makes the colors all really weird and makes things harder to see in darker areas of games.

#8

vtable

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Meanwhile in hueland:

http://i.imgur.com/5uZBBAw.png

That's $712 ;_;

Meanwhile in hueland: [img]http://i.imgur.com/5uZBBAw.png[/img]

That's $712 ;_;

#9

gls

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downpourcan you link some sources? i just want to be sure about this because lightboost is the most satisfied with a product ive ever been, the difference from 144Hz w/o lightboost to 120Hz with lightboost is actually incredible and if it does cause input lag then ill be very sad.http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost-faq/LightBoost does increase input lag by half a frame.
Since input lag for top edge of screen can vary from bottom edge, and strobe backlights give interesting behaviors — For the average ASUS/BENQ 120Hz LightBoost screen, non-LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 3ms/7ms/11ms while LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 11ms/11ms/11ms. This averages out to half a frame added input lag (3ms -> 7ms) with LightBoost.

HOWEVER… The elimination of motion blur actually can improve human reaction times in situations where you are tracking eyes on moving objects all over the screen. The lack of motion blur reduces human reaction time significantly enough to more than outweigh the extra input latency, especially for FPS gaming and many others. Check out the improved BattleField 3 scores with LightBoost as an example as how increased input lag doesn’t necessarily mean worse scores. Unless you play in a very bright room at daytime, the loss of brightness will hurt your game more.

Players that stare stationary only at crosshairs at all times even during strafing/turning (no eye movements away from crosshairs), will not benefit much (if any) from LightBoost. But if you track your eyes (e.g. http://www.testufo.com/eyetracking when turning ON/OFF LightBoost), eye tracking creates display motion blur that makes it harder to track moving objects, slowing down your reaction time for these situations.

The question is very person specific: Deciding if LightBoost benefits outweigh the very tiny input lag it adds (half a frame – 4ms). It definitely does for many people, but not necessarily for everyone and every game. For example, it will benefit fast FPS far more than, say, World of Warcraft.

And obviously, your game needs to run at triple-digit frame rates in order to really benefit from strobe backlights (because you want framerate matching stroberate for maximum motion quality). If you are running at slow frame rates such as 30fps or 60fps, you won’t really see the benefits of LightBoost, and will prefer to disable the strobing. You won’t get the similar TestUFO benefits in your game in that case. However, when the game run at consistent 120fps, and you’re using a really good and smooth gaming mouse (mouse movement becomes as smooth as keyboard strafing movements), the clarity improvement become massive (similar to TestUFO).

honestly half a frame is completely insignificant to me when you consider all the input lag that already exists from all of your hardware anyway, and when you consider that the tradeoff is no motion blur it's a no-brainer choice esp since 144hz is so blurry as well

[quote=downpour]can you link some sources? i just want to be sure about this because lightboost is the most satisfied with a product ive ever been, the difference from 144Hz w/o lightboost to 120Hz with lightboost is actually incredible and if it does cause input lag then ill be very sad.[/quote]

[quote=http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost-faq/]LightBoost does increase input lag by half a frame.
Since input lag for top edge of screen can vary from bottom edge, and strobe backlights give interesting behaviors — For the average ASUS/BENQ 120Hz LightBoost screen, non-LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 3ms/7ms/11ms while LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 11ms/11ms/11ms. This averages out to half a frame added input lag (3ms -> 7ms) with LightBoost.

HOWEVER… The elimination of motion blur actually can improve human reaction times in situations where you are tracking eyes on moving objects all over the screen. The lack of motion blur reduces human reaction time significantly enough to more than outweigh the extra input latency, especially for FPS gaming and many others. Check out the improved BattleField 3 scores with LightBoost as an example as how increased input lag doesn’t necessarily mean worse scores. Unless you play in a very bright room at daytime, the loss of brightness will hurt your game more.

Players that stare stationary only at crosshairs at all times even during strafing/turning (no eye movements away from crosshairs), will not benefit much (if any) from LightBoost. But if you track your eyes (e.g. http://www.testufo.com/eyetracking when turning ON/OFF LightBoost), eye tracking creates display motion blur that makes it harder to track moving objects, slowing down your reaction time for these situations.

The question is very person specific: Deciding if LightBoost benefits outweigh the very tiny input lag it adds (half a frame – 4ms). It definitely does for many people, but not necessarily for everyone and every game. For example, it will benefit fast FPS far more than, say, World of Warcraft.

And obviously, your game needs to run at triple-digit frame rates in order to really benefit from strobe backlights (because you want framerate matching stroberate for maximum motion quality). If you are running at slow frame rates such as 30fps or 60fps, you won’t really see the benefits of LightBoost, and will prefer to disable the strobing. You won’t get the similar TestUFO benefits in your game in that case. However, when the game run at consistent 120fps, and you’re using a really good and smooth gaming mouse (mouse movement becomes as smooth as keyboard strafing movements), the clarity improvement become massive (similar to TestUFO).[/quote]
honestly half a frame is completely insignificant to me when you consider all the input lag that already exists from all of your hardware anyway, and when you consider that the tradeoff is no motion blur it's a no-brainer choice esp since 144hz is so blurry as well

#10

loljk

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Great monitor just bought one from Fry's for around this price. Absolutely no input lag which is much more useful than the refresh rate.

#11

taigha

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What programs/settings do you all use for lightboost? How do I enable it? I've been using 144hz w/o lightboost and never really had the desire to enable it.

#12

tornados2111

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downpourtornados2111If someone was going to buy this monitor just because of the lightboost feature, I'd suggest against it if you are looking to just play tf2. It adds slight input lag, but more importantly personally haven't found the zero persistence to help much with tracking. In tf2 it's all about the approximate muscle memory, not singling out each frame. If you're running on a high framerate, you're likely getting persistence from say 2 or 3 frames, which doesn't effect hitting or missing someone

Otherwise of course having a good 120/144Hz is amazing :D I have nothing against them in principal, check out the deal!can you link some sources? i just want to be sure about this because lightboost is the most satisfied with a product ive ever been, the difference from 144Hz w/o lightboost to 120Hz with lightboost is actually incredible and if it does cause input lag then ill be very sad.

What exact sources are you looking for? If you're talking about the input lag, I think you can do it with a quick google search, but from what I remember of it from principal, the idea is that the since the frames are being shuffled into certain "timeslots" since there is black for certain parts of the time it is only natural that there will be slight input lag. Let me make it clear though that this isn't the main point of my argument. In fact it's only very slightly noticeable and if you like lightboost in general, this is DEFINITELY something you can get over. Not a big deal at all

EDIT: Didn't realise someone answered before me

[quote=downpour][quote=tornados2111]If someone was going to buy this monitor just because of the lightboost feature, I'd suggest against it if you are looking to just play tf2. It adds slight input lag, but more importantly personally haven't found the zero persistence to help much with tracking. In tf2 it's all about the approximate muscle memory, not singling out each frame. If you're running on a high framerate, you're likely getting persistence from say 2 or 3 frames, which doesn't effect hitting or missing someone

Otherwise of course having a good 120/144Hz is amazing :D I have nothing against them in principal, check out the deal![/quote]
can you link some sources? i just want to be sure about this because lightboost is the most satisfied with a product ive ever been, the difference from 144Hz w/o lightboost to 120Hz with lightboost is actually incredible and if it does cause input lag then ill be very sad.[/quote]
What exact sources are you looking for? If you're talking about the input lag, I think you can do it with a quick google search, but from what I remember of it from principal, the idea is that the since the frames are being shuffled into certain "timeslots" since there is black for certain parts of the time it is only natural that there will be slight input lag. Let me make it clear though that this isn't the main point of my argument. In fact it's only very slightly noticeable and if you like lightboost in general, this is DEFINITELY something you can get over. Not a big deal at all

EDIT: Didn't realise someone answered before me

#13

raiku

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taighaWhat programs/settings do you all use for lightboost? How do I enable it? I've been using 144hz w/o lightboost and never really had the desire to enable it.

http://www.blurbusters.com/easy-lightboost-toastyx-strobelight/

If you have a Nvidia GPU, I think you might be able to start it from the Nvidia control panel.

[quote=taigha]What programs/settings do you all use for lightboost? How do I enable it? I've been using 144hz w/o lightboost and never really had the desire to enable it.[/quote]

http://www.blurbusters.com/easy-lightboost-toastyx-strobelight/

If you have a Nvidia GPU, I think you might be able to start it from the Nvidia control panel.

#14

hooli

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HellbentFucking amazing monitor buy one now if you haven't already

Lightboost !!!

typical dumb hellbent noob

144 hertz is better than 120 hertz lightboosted
the amount of input lag present when lightboosted is unacceptable and the smoothness of 144 hertz is far more beneficial than how clear individual 120 hz frames are
i'd still get the monitor, best monitor on the market and 144 hertz is great

edit: try both and see for yourself

[quote=Hellbent]Fucking amazing monitor buy one now if you haven't already

Lightboost !!![/quote]
typical dumb hellbent noob

144 hertz is better than 120 hertz lightboosted
the amount of input lag present when lightboosted is unacceptable and the smoothness of 144 hertz is far more beneficial than how clear individual 120 hz frames are
i'd still get the monitor, best monitor on the market and 144 hertz is great

edit: try both and see for yourself

#15

gls

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I have strong doubts that you're able to detect half a frame of input lag

#16

breloom

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lightboost with borderless windowed mode is playing like a cave fwiw. only play on fullscreen with the gamma turned up or somehting

#17

eli

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hooli144 hertz is better than 120 hertz lightboosted
the amount of input lag present when lightboosted is unacceptable and the smoothness of 144 hertz is far more beneficial than how clear individual 120 hz frames are
i'd still get the monitor, best monitor on the market and 144 hertz is great

edit: try both and see for yourself

+1

[quote=hooli]
144 hertz is better than 120 hertz lightboosted
the amount of input lag present when lightboosted is unacceptable and the smoothness of 144 hertz is far more beneficial than how clear individual 120 hz frames are
i'd still get the monitor, best monitor on the market and 144 hertz is great

edit: try both and see for yourself[/quote]

+1

#18

brahmi

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I don't know how someone couldn't notice the input lag lightboost adds, 144hz no lightboost is far superior.

#19

tornados2111

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Wow. Can't believe I started this argument. I think that people should use lightboost if that's what they like. It's all a matter of perception. I myself don't use it, but to someone else a bit of input lag doesn't matter as long as they have a lot of Hz and a lot of frames.

Also bare in mind that in other applications, input lag may have no advantage at all but zero motion blur/persistence could help so yes, there are definitely uses. Tf2 may not be one of the best uses but it's up to the individual!

Wow. Can't believe I started this argument. I think that people should use lightboost if that's what they like. It's all a matter of perception. I myself don't use it, but to someone else a bit of input lag doesn't matter as long as they have a lot of Hz and a lot of frames.

Also bare in mind that in other applications, input lag may have no advantage at all but zero motion blur/persistence could help so yes, there are definitely uses. Tf2 may not be one of the best uses but it's up to the individual!

#20

hooli

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glissI have strong doubts that you're able to detect half a frame of input lag

i'm not sure if "half a frame of input lag" is an accurate measurement. i can feel it. i've played with lightboost (LB) for months then on a whim i decided try 144 hz w/o LB and noticed right away that the game looked smoother and felt more responsive. i assume you've played with LB for quite some time? i invite you to try 144 hz w/o lightboost and come back to us with your conclusion.

what it comes down to is image clarity vs responsiveness and i believe the latter to be superior for the application of fast-paced gaming.

[quote=gliss]I have strong doubts that you're able to detect half a frame of input lag[/quote]
i'm not sure if "half a frame of input lag" is an accurate measurement. i can feel it. i've played with lightboost (LB) for months then on a whim i decided try 144 hz w/o LB and noticed right away that the game looked smoother and felt more responsive. i assume you've played with LB for quite some time? i invite you to try 144 hz w/o lightboost and come back to us with your conclusion.

what it comes down to is image clarity vs responsiveness and i believe the latter to be superior for the application of fast-paced gaming.

#21

E-thug

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the lightboost on this monitor gives mad input lag. better to run 144hz

#22

Hellbent

Momentum Mod

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hoolitypical dumb hellbent noob

144 hertz is better than 120 hertz lightboosted
the amount of input lag present when lightboosted is unacceptable and the smoothness of 144 hertz is far more beneficial than how clear individual 120 hz frames are
i'd still get the monitor, best monitor on the market and 144 hertz is great

edit: try both and see for yourself

I've obviously tried both and like the lightboost more. Apart from me doing quite a lot of jumping, I also flick aim quite a bit so having heavily reduced motion blur is worth the 7ms or so input lag that I can't even notice.

It makes sense to me that scout mains, and demos that stare at the same sticky trap for 12 minutes while their team disintegrates around them would enjoy 144hz more as they are not flicking nearly as much, but then again why argue with the king of useless information.

Try both and pick what feels best instead of theorizing how a loss of 1/40th of the normal human reaction time will effect your gaming experience.

[quote=hooli]
typical dumb hellbent noob

144 hertz is better than 120 hertz lightboosted
the amount of input lag present when lightboosted is unacceptable and the smoothness of 144 hertz is far more beneficial than how clear individual 120 hz frames are
i'd still get the monitor, best monitor on the market and 144 hertz is great

edit: try both and see for yourself[/quote]

I've obviously tried both and like the lightboost more. Apart from me doing quite a lot of jumping, I also flick aim quite a bit so having heavily reduced motion blur is worth the 7ms or so input lag that I can't even notice.

It makes sense to me that scout mains, and demos that stare at the same sticky trap for 12 minutes while their team disintegrates around them would enjoy 144hz more as they are not flicking nearly as much, but then again why argue with the king of useless information.

Try both and pick what feels best instead of theorizing how a loss of 1/40th of the normal human reaction time will effect your gaming experience.

#23

hooli

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if you can't notice the 7ms (a number you pulled out of ur butt) input lag that means your brains refresh rate is significantly lower compared to that of a typical human.

#24

Karova

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That a pretty shitty way to tell someone you disagree

#25

gls

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hooliwhat it comes down to is image clarity vs responsiveness and i believe the latter to be superior for the application of fast-paced gaming.

there's literally no point in arguing beyond this statement

you're both just repeating each other lol

[quote=hooli]what it comes down to is image clarity vs responsiveness and i believe the latter to be superior for the application of fast-paced gaming.[/quote]
there's literally no point in arguing beyond this statement

you're both just repeating each other lol

#26

Hellbent

Momentum Mod

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http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost-faq/LightBoost does increase input lag by half a frame.
Since input lag for top edge of screen can vary from bottom edge, and strobe backlights give interesting behaviors — For the average ASUS/BENQ 120Hz LightBoost screen, non-LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 3ms/7ms/11ms while LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 11ms/11ms/11ms. This averages out to half a frame added input lag (3ms -> 7ms) with LightBoost.

it's literally in the thread

not sure what the typical 'human brain refresh rate' is supposed to be. now testing it ya i can see a very insignificant input lag, but also pretty awful blur whenever i decide to flick/rj.

but whatever go back to your fast-paced sticky trap placement if that's really what is superior for you

[quote=http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost-faq/]
LightBoost does increase input lag by half a frame.
Since input lag for top edge of screen can vary from bottom edge, and strobe backlights give interesting behaviors — For the average ASUS/BENQ 120Hz LightBoost screen, non-LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 3ms/7ms/11ms while LightBoost TOP/CENTER/BOTTOM is 11ms/11ms/11ms. This averages out to half a frame added input lag [b](3ms -> 7ms)[/b] with LightBoost.[/quote]

it's literally in the thread

not sure what the typical 'human brain refresh rate' is supposed to be. now testing it ya i can see a very insignificant input lag, but also pretty awful blur whenever i decide to flick/rj.

but whatever go back to your fast-paced sticky trap placement if that's really what is superior for you

#27

hooli

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KarovaThat a pretty shitty way to tell someone you disagree

i don't disagree, he's objectively wrong about humans being unable to perceive LB input lag.

glissyou're both just repeating each other lol

get it straight hellbent is repeating me
the purpose of his entire post was to call me bad
thanks for your 0 contribution to the thread hb

[quote=Karova]That a pretty shitty way to tell someone you disagree[/quote]
i don't disagree, he's objectively wrong about humans being unable to perceive LB input lag.

[quote=gliss]you're both just repeating each other lol[/quote]
get it straight hellbent is repeating me
the purpose of his entire post was to call me bad
thanks for your 0 contribution to the thread hb

#28

gls

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anyway I feel like lightboost is probably inferior overall unless you're a scout shooting other scouts, that is the only situation where I wouldn't make the tradeoff of having motion blur vs. not

the part about focusing more on your crosshair as opposed to enemy models is pretty accurate too so a lot of it really does boil down to preference

anyway I feel like lightboost is probably inferior overall unless you're a scout shooting other scouts, that is the only situation where I wouldn't make the tradeoff of having motion blur vs. not

the part about focusing more on your crosshair as opposed to enemy models is pretty accurate too so a lot of it really does boil down to preference

#29

Hellbent

Momentum Mod

3 Frags – +

hooliHellbentFucking amazing monitor buy one now if you haven't already

Lightboost !!!typical dumb hellbent noob

if you dont want me to call you bad then dont pick a fight

god youre like mason but with no balls

[quote=hooli][quote=Hellbent]Fucking amazing monitor buy one now if you haven't already

Lightboost !!![/quote]
typical dumb hellbent noob[/quote]

if you dont want me to call you bad then dont pick a fight

god youre like mason but with no balls

#30

hooli

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poor hb
so fragile