I deliver for Jimmy Johns, I get 7.25+tips but then taxed tips are taken out of paycheck once a month.
Usually see like 2-3 dollars for the first ten then diminishing returns after that, like 5 at 20 and so on, but let's be real I'm delivering sandwiches not pizzas so I'm probably not seeing pizza level tips (I only know of one time where one of the guys here made 100 in a night but you're almost guaranteed that on fridays delivering pizzas). I also don't get our delivery fee that's on every delivery receipt which is pretty bullshit.
Phaser is actually right, tho, the best tippers are often the middle-lower class people who know what it's like to not have a lot of money and want to pay it forward. Our store is right on the edge of some of the richest people in town and some of the poorest, and I find I'll get better tips delivering to the east (lower-income area) than to the north and west (higher-income). There are some cool people tho, one of our regulars lives in a pretty nice house and tips like 5 bucks on 10 dollar orders, so it's not all stingy rich people.
Always tip cash if you can tho, even on credit orders, no one ever reports all their cash tips so they aren't deducted from paycheck. Your driver will love you for it; it doesn't seem like much but it adds up (my usual paycheck is like 400 for 2 weeks I think? and my last paycheck was with tips removed and it was only 336, almost entirely credit tips).
I deliver for Jimmy Johns, I get 7.25+tips but then taxed tips are taken out of paycheck once a month.
Usually see like 2-3 dollars for the first ten then diminishing returns after that, like 5 at 20 and so on, but let's be real I'm delivering sandwiches not pizzas so I'm probably not seeing pizza level tips (I only know of one time where one of the guys here made 100 in a night but you're almost guaranteed that on fridays delivering pizzas). I also don't get our delivery fee that's on every delivery receipt which is pretty bullshit.
Phaser is actually right, tho, the best tippers are often the middle-lower class people who know what it's like to not have a lot of money and want to pay it forward. Our store is right on the edge of some of the richest people in town and some of the poorest, and I find I'll get better tips delivering to the east (lower-income area) than to the north and west (higher-income). There are some cool people tho, one of our regulars lives in a pretty nice house and tips like 5 bucks on 10 dollar orders, so it's not all stingy rich people.
Always tip cash if you can tho, even on credit orders, no one ever reports all their cash tips so they aren't deducted from paycheck. Your driver will love you for it; it doesn't seem like much but it adds up (my usual paycheck is like 400 for 2 weeks I think? and my last paycheck was with tips removed and it was only 336, almost entirely credit tips).
Always thought tips are dumb as fuck, but if i dont give them a tip next time they will poop on my pizza. not cool.
Always thought tips are dumb as fuck, but if i dont give them a tip next time they will poop on my pizza. not cool.
Do you guys tip at Mc Donalds and BK etc?
Do you guys tip at Mc Donalds and BK etc?
I dont tip because it's not part of our culture. Tipping is only expected if the service was of the utmost quality. And generally only on high end services.
I dont tip because it's not part of our culture. Tipping is only expected if the service was of the utmost quality. And generally only on high end services.
TwilitlordAlways tip cash if you can tho, even on credit orders, no one ever reports all their cash tips so they aren't deducted from paycheck. Your driver will love you for it; it doesn't seem like much but it adds up (my usual paycheck is like 400 for 2 weeks I think? and my last paycheck was with tips removed and it was only 336, almost entirely credit tips).
Oh yes, this. It also just makes everything so much easier than having to go back through the POS or credit card machine to enter the tip.
hiiAlways thought tips is dumb as fuck, but if i dont give them a tip next time they will poop on my pizza. not cool.
That's not the case where I work. Usually is just amounts to your order not being as prioritized next time, if you or your address is even remembered. Not to mention at a lot of places the person taking your order probably isn't the cook nor the delivery person (though, for smaller/ stores, the person taking your order might very well be either of those, or both, especially later in the night). Probably doesn't make those that don't want to tip, or tip much, want to tip more than they did last time, but oh well.
KevmeisterDo you guys tip at Mc Donalds and BK etc?
No, tipping at a fast food place is almost unheard of. It's expected that one tips at a sit-down restaurant, for delivery, for takeout at a normally sit-down place (albeit less than if you stayed, at least in my experiences), and larger orders at a place where you still go up to the counter, but can do sit-down or takeout (such as where I work, but I wouldn't say we expect tips for eat-in orders, maybe about 30% of people do). This is as far as I know, anyway.
[quote=Twilitlord]Always tip cash if you can tho, even on credit orders, no one ever reports all their cash tips so they aren't deducted from paycheck. Your driver will love you for it; it doesn't seem like much but it adds up (my usual paycheck is like 400 for 2 weeks I think? and my last paycheck was with tips removed and it was only 336, almost entirely credit tips).[/quote]
Oh yes, this. It also just makes everything so much easier than having to go back through the POS or credit card machine to enter the tip.
[quote=hii]Always thought tips is dumb as fuck, but if i dont give them a tip next time they will poop on my pizza. not cool.[/quote]
That's not the case where I work. Usually is just amounts to your order not being as prioritized next time, if you or your address is even remembered. Not to mention at a lot of places the person taking your order probably isn't the cook nor the delivery person (though, for smaller/ stores, the person taking your order might very well be either of those, or both, especially later in the night). Probably doesn't make those that don't want to tip, or tip much, want to tip more than they did last time, but oh well.
[quote=Kevmeister]Do you guys tip at Mc Donalds and BK etc?[/quote]
No, tipping at a fast food place is almost unheard of. It's expected that one tips at a sit-down restaurant, for delivery, for takeout at a normally sit-down place (albeit less than if you stayed, at least in my experiences), and larger orders at a place where you still go up to the counter, but can do sit-down or takeout (such as where I work, but I wouldn't say we expect tips for eat-in orders, maybe about 30% of people do). This is as far as I know, anyway.
Never less than 3 dollars. They aren't going from the kitchen to the dining room, they are taking their car and walking the food all the way to your house.
Never less than 3 dollars. They aren't going from the kitchen to the dining room, they are taking their car and walking the food all the way to your house.
I am "that guy". I worked in the restaurant industry for my first job, so I do know what it's like to live off your wages + tips. I, however, do not feel sorry for those people who have never developed a skill that will get them a better job. If I paid everyone extra for doing their job just because they make a low hourly wage, I wouldn't be able to afford food myself. In the restaurant industry, tipped employees typically make higher hourly wages (after tips) than the people preparing food and/or working other jobs. If they don't hit minimum wage, the employer is required to bring them up to minimum wage. I do typically leave a tip because it's (stupidly) expected, but I see no reason to blanketly tip some arbitrary percentage.
I don't care if my meal is $5, $10, or $50. If the service is good, I will tip $1-2 per person at the table and I'll be agitated while I'm doing it, because it's utterly insane for me to pay someone else's employees just for doing their job correctly. I don't expect you to tip me for properly fixing your computer--why should your food service job be any different?
I do leave a tip because it's socially expected, and I got tired of hearing people bitch at me for not doing so, a la Reservoir Dogs. I don't leave ridiculously large tips or "20% of the total meal" tips because I think it's stupid that a person serving me a more expensive meal automatically receives a larger tip for doing the same job as a person serving me a cheaper meal.
I used to tip delivery services well. When pizza and other places started charging a delivery fee, that took the place of tips, so they get $1-2.
I am "that guy". I worked in the restaurant industry for my first job, so I do know what it's like to live off your wages + tips. I, however, do not feel sorry for those people who have never developed a skill that will get them a better job. If I paid everyone extra for doing their job just because they make a low hourly wage, I wouldn't be able to afford food myself. In the restaurant industry, tipped employees typically make higher hourly wages (after tips) than the people preparing food and/or working other jobs. If they don't hit minimum wage, the employer is required to bring them up to minimum wage. I do typically leave a tip because it's (stupidly) expected, but I see no reason to blanketly tip some arbitrary percentage.
I don't care if my meal is $5, $10, or $50. If the service is good, I will tip $1-2 per person at the table and I'll be agitated while I'm doing it, because it's utterly insane for me to pay someone else's employees [u]just for doing their job correctly[/u]. I don't expect you to tip me for properly fixing your computer--why should your food service job be any different?
I do leave a tip because it's socially expected, and I got tired of hearing people bitch at me for not doing so, a la Reservoir Dogs. I don't leave ridiculously large tips or "20% of the total meal" tips because I think it's stupid that a person serving me a more expensive meal automatically receives a larger tip for doing the same job as a person serving me a cheaper meal.
I used to tip delivery services well. When pizza and other places started charging a delivery fee, that took the place of tips, so they get $1-2.
Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?
Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?
christ, how often do you guys order pizza?
christ, how often do you guys order pizza?
I tip about $5 to $7 depending on the service. $10 if it was truly outstanding or fast service.
I tip about $5 to $7 depending on the service. $10 if it was truly outstanding or fast service.
Depends on when in the semester it is.
My university has food money that doesn't roll over from semester to semester (it comes with the meal plan). There's a local pizza place with a deal with the university that accepts it. During finals week, it's not uncommon for people to order more than enough pizza for everyone around and still leave a tip with the rest of the money (sometimes 50-100%+ on a large order) because why not.
Normally though, I'd tip around $4. I rarely order only $10 worth of pizza though.
Depends on when in the semester it is.
My university has food money that doesn't roll over from semester to semester (it comes with the meal plan). There's a local pizza place with a deal with the university that accepts it. During finals week, it's not uncommon for people to order more than enough pizza for everyone around and still leave a tip with the rest of the money (sometimes 50-100%+ on a large order) because why not.
Normally though, I'd tip around $4. I rarely order only $10 worth of pizza though.
KevmeisterOk I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle. Their wages are both pretty low.
[quote=Kevmeister]Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?[/quote]
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle. Their wages are both pretty low.
CelticLadyKevmeisterOk I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery?
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle.
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Yes I know that lol but what I mean is they are doing a similar job but one gets tips and the other doesn't. Why is that?
[quote=CelticLady][quote=Kevmeister]Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery?[/quote]
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle.[/quote] +
Yes I know that lol but what I mean is they are doing a similar job but one gets tips and the other doesn't. Why is that?
KevmeisterCelticLadyKevmeisterOk I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery?
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle.
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Yes I know that lol but what I mean is they are doing a similar job but one gets tips and the other doesn't. Why is that?
Because I'm using my own vehicle and my own gas to drive to your house and a dozen others during my shift and for some outlandish reason I feel like I should be compensated for it
[quote=Kevmeister][quote=CelticLady][quote=Kevmeister]Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery?[/quote]
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle.[/quote] +
Yes I know that lol but what I mean is they are doing a similar job but one gets tips and the other doesn't. Why is that?[/quote]
Because I'm using my own vehicle and my own gas to drive to your house and a dozen others during my shift and for some outlandish reason I feel like I should be compensated for it
KevmeisterCelticLadyKevmeisterOk I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery?
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle.
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Yes I know that lol but what I mean is they are doing a similar job but one gets tips and the other doesn't. Why is that?
Because gas isn't cheap, man. The delivery guys I've met foot their own gas bills.
[quote=Kevmeister][quote=CelticLady][quote=Kevmeister]Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery?[/quote]
"Delivery" means that the food you order is driven to your home by an employee in (most always) their own vehicle.[/quote] +
Yes I know that lol but what I mean is they are doing a similar job but one gets tips and the other doesn't. Why is that?[/quote]
Because gas isn't cheap, man. The delivery guys I've met foot their own gas bills.
I always tip highly, and recommend the same for several reasons:
You get what you pay for, if you use the same service more than once, you should invest in a good experience. The tip-service ratio goes both ways. The better you pay, the better you will be treated in the future. One Chinese restaurant near me used to quote me at 45 minutes, and take an hour and a half to deliver. They had the best food and their competitors were an hour away anyway; I decided to tip them a little more than normal, enough to be noticed but not much more than that. After about 6 deliveries they went from taking an hour 15 minutes, to 10-15 to get to me. The same goes for dining somewhere, I see too often people don't tip very well, and get angry when the waiter they never tip is curt and inattentive. If you can't please someone with your service and smile, it's a better investment of time and effort to spend that on another patron.
Waiters often get the short end of the stick, and should be paid more than they are, not only because of how close to the bottom line they are, but how incredibly rude some people are. Some people seem to forget that a waiter or waitress is a human being, just because they have a uniform on. "Why are you being rude?" "Don't be upset, she's just a waiter." is a sentiment that is not only ridiculous but far too common. I remember sitting next to a man who ate his entire meal, to call the waiter and complain and insult her for how it was cooked, being very demeaning and insulting while she smiled and took it. All I could think was "Why didn't you ask them to fix it earlier before you ate the whole thing, and why are you blaming her?"
If you can spend money, you should know how to do math. If you have 25 dollars, and buy 25 dollars worth of food, you can't say you "can't afford" to tip. You can afford to tip, but you have a debilitating lack of foresight, or perhaps empathy. If you have 10-20 dollars to spend on a single meal, you shouldn't be complaining about not being able to afford a tip. I used to live on 20-40 a month, and would have to buy shitty foods in bulk. I remember buying a months worth of noodles, a giant 2 or 3 pound can of tomato sauce to season into spaghetti sauce at home, and a bunch of cheap meatballs for an entire months worth of meals. Did the math with my cousins, when we got home I prepared and cooked the meal, we ate and stored the leftover noodles, sauce and meatballs from the first night, (enough for all of us for a few days,) separately to ensure people could enjoy it however they wanted. Our roommate who had contributed nothing so far, decided to dump a giant can of chili onto the noodles in the fridge, because noone else would eat them after that. "Why did you do that?", "Well that's how I like them." Money was tight and food was scarce and everyone gave me shit for stealing food and I had no idea why, until my cousin walked into my room and apologized. "I'm sorry I've been on you for the food, Jess was just upstairs and we asked her where the bread went and she said you took it, but I know you've been playing video games all day and haven't left your room." I was pretty mad. Having been through that sort of experience, I can decisively tell you, if you have 10-20 to spend on a single meal, you have absolutely no reason to act like an impoverished poor child who can only afford his own meal. Do the math ahead of time and if you have 25 to spend, and tax will be 3, and your food is 22, you CAN in fact not order the 3 dollar add on or whatever. Budget intelligently.
PS. Delivery fees often don't go to the driver, who has to use his own gas, also if they have to pack your order and deliver it, it is time they could be spending serving a customer in store who could tip them.
I always tip highly, and recommend the same for several reasons:
You get what you pay for, if you use the same service more than once, you should invest in a good experience. The tip-service ratio goes both ways. The better you pay, the better you will be treated in the future. One Chinese restaurant near me used to quote me at 45 minutes, and take an hour and a half to deliver. They had the best food and their competitors were an hour away anyway; I decided to tip them a little more than normal, enough to be noticed but not much more than that. After about 6 deliveries they went from taking an hour 15 minutes, to 10-15 to get to me. The same goes for dining somewhere, I see too often people don't tip very well, and get angry when the waiter they never tip is curt and inattentive. If you can't please someone with your service and smile, it's a better investment of time and effort to spend that on another patron.
Waiters often get the short end of the stick, and should be paid more than they are, not only because of how close to the bottom line they are, but how incredibly rude some people are. Some people seem to forget that a waiter or waitress is a human being, just because they have a uniform on. "Why are you being rude?" "Don't be upset, she's just a waiter." is a sentiment that is not only ridiculous but far too common. I remember sitting next to a man who ate his entire meal, to call the waiter and complain and insult her for how it was cooked, being very demeaning and insulting while she smiled and took it. All I could think was "Why didn't you ask them to fix it earlier before you ate the whole thing, and why are you blaming her?"
If you can spend money, you should know how to do math. If you have 25 dollars, and buy 25 dollars worth of food, you can't say you "can't afford" to tip. You can afford to tip, but you have a debilitating lack of foresight, or perhaps empathy. If you have 10-20 dollars to spend on a single meal, you shouldn't be complaining about not being able to afford a tip. I used to live on 20-40 a month, and would have to buy shitty foods in bulk. I remember buying a months worth of noodles, a giant 2 or 3 pound can of tomato sauce to season into spaghetti sauce at home, and a bunch of cheap meatballs for an entire months worth of meals. Did the math with my cousins, when we got home I prepared and cooked the meal, we ate and stored the leftover noodles, sauce and meatballs from the first night, (enough for all of us for a few days,) separately to ensure people could enjoy it however they wanted. Our roommate who had contributed nothing so far, decided to dump a giant can of chili onto the noodles in the fridge, because noone else would eat them after that. "Why did you do that?", "Well that's how I like them." Money was tight and food was scarce and everyone gave me shit for stealing food and I had no idea why, until my cousin walked into my room and apologized. "I'm sorry I've been on you for the food, Jess was just upstairs and we asked her where the bread went and she said you took it, but I know you've been playing video games all day and haven't left your room." I was pretty mad. Having been through that sort of experience, I can decisively tell you, if you have 10-20 to spend on a single meal, you have absolutely no reason to act like an impoverished poor child who can only afford his own meal. Do the math ahead of time and if you have 25 to spend, and tax will be 3, and your food is 22, you CAN in fact not order the 3 dollar add on or whatever. Budget intelligently.
PS. Delivery fees often don't go to the driver, who has to use his own gas, also if they have to pack your order and deliver it, it is time they could be spending serving a customer in store who could tip them.
KevmeisterOk I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?
Generally at fast food places, they don't even give you the option to tip. I also think pizza places are at least one step above fast food establishments?
[quote=Kevmeister]Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?[/quote]
Generally at fast food places, they don't even give you the option to tip. I also think pizza places are at least one step above fast food establishments?
I try to tip 20%, otherwise I go out and buy food myself instead of ordering delivery
I work as an auto parts delivery driver, over 4+ months I've gotten 2 tips from customers, one was 10 cents and the other was 75 cents.(although once after leaving off a delivery, I found $1 in their parking lot so I considered it a tip)
I guess delivering food garners people to tip well and often but delivering 120+ pound auto part deliveries and then carrying that delivery around 20-200+ft deserves no tips whatsoever.
Although I do understand most of the deliveree's are typically super right-wing redneck asshole mechanics so that puts it into a better perspective.
I try to tip 20%, otherwise I go out and buy food myself instead of ordering delivery
I work as an auto parts delivery driver, over 4+ months I've gotten 2 tips from customers, one was 10 cents and the other was 75 cents.(although once after leaving off a delivery, I found $1 in their parking lot so I considered it a tip)
I guess delivering food garners people to tip well and often but delivering 120+ pound auto part deliveries and then carrying that delivery around 20-200+ft deserves no tips whatsoever.
Although I do understand most of the deliveree's are typically super right-wing redneck asshole mechanics so that puts it into a better perspective.
AMCI always tip highly, and recommend the same for several reasons:
Your mentality is respectable. Part of the reason I do tip is in line with your tip -> service ratio idea. If it's a place I intend to return, I do tip decently even though it pains me to do so. I do not agree with your idea that non-tippers have a lack of foresight or empathy. If you acted on your empathy for everyone in a dead-end job whose wages barely (or don't even) make ends meet, you'd quickly become unable to make ends meet yourself.
I understand that delivery fees don't go to the driver and that the driver is not reimbursed by the employer for burning gas and maintaining his/her own vehicle. Again I ask, why should I be expected to reimburse them for merely performing the job duties for which they were hired? If they choose to take that job, everything becomes their responsibility. Nevertheless, a delivery person has a lot of time to do horrendous things to your food, so I do tip them decently well.
I do understand the benefit of tipping. It allows employers to pay their workers less and in-turn they can charge less for the food. If a restaurant with 10 servers suddenly had to pay those employees $5-8 more per hour, one can assume their menu prices would be jacked up quickly thereafter. I also understand that if each server were paid the same, this would penalize the excellent servers while simultaneously incentivizing the crappy ones to continue being crappy. Hopefully at that point, employers would step in and ditch the crappy ones. On the other hand, having a system of expected/mandatory 15-30% tips encourages the same type of complacency.
It's a catch-22 system that screws over the consumer either way: with higher overall food prices, or by forcing the consumer to pay the majority of the employee's wages.
[quote=AMC]I always tip highly, and recommend the same for several reasons:
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Your mentality is respectable. Part of the reason I do tip is in line with your tip -> service ratio idea. If it's a place I intend to return, I do tip decently even though it pains me to do so. I do not agree with your idea that non-tippers have a lack of foresight or empathy. If you acted on your empathy for everyone in a dead-end job whose wages barely (or don't even) make ends meet, you'd quickly become unable to make ends meet yourself.
I understand that delivery fees don't go to the driver and that the driver is not reimbursed by the employer for burning gas and maintaining his/her own vehicle. Again I ask, why should I be expected to reimburse them for merely performing the job duties for which they were hired? If they choose to take that job, everything becomes their responsibility. Nevertheless, a delivery person has a lot of time to do horrendous things to your food, so I do tip them decently well.
I do understand the benefit of tipping. It allows employers to pay their workers less and in-turn they can charge less for the food. If a restaurant with 10 servers suddenly had to pay those employees $5-8 more per hour, one can assume their menu prices would be jacked up quickly thereafter. I also understand that if each server were paid the same, this would penalize the excellent servers while simultaneously incentivizing the crappy ones to continue being crappy. Hopefully at that point, employers would step in and ditch the crappy ones. On the other hand, having a system of expected/mandatory 15-30% tips encourages the same type of complacency.
It's a catch-22 system that screws over the consumer either way: with higher overall food prices, or by forcing the consumer to pay the majority of the employee's wages.
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smakersAMCI always tip highly, and recommend the same for several reasons:
Your mentality is respectable. Part of the reason I do tip is in line with your tip -> service ratio idea. If it's a place I intend to return, I do tip decently even though it pains me to do so. I do not agree with your idea that non-tippers have a lack of foresight or empathy. If you acted on your empathy for everyone in a dead-end job whose wages barely (or don't even) make ends meet, you'd quickly become unable to make ends meet yourself.
I understand that delivery fees don't go to the driver and that the driver is not reimbursed by the employer for burning gas and maintaining his/her own vehicle. Again I ask, why should I be expected to reimburse them for merely performing the job duties for which they were hired? If they choose to take that job, everything becomes their responsibility. Nevertheless, a delivery person has a lot of time to do horrendous things to your food, so I do tip them decently well.
I do understand the benefit of tipping. It allows employers to pay their workers less and in-turn they can charge less for the food. If a restaurant with 10 servers suddenly had to pay those employees $5-8 more per hour, one can assume their menu prices would be jacked up quickly thereafter. I also understand that if each server were paid the same, this would penalize the excellent servers while simultaneously incentivizing the crappy ones to continue being crappy. Hopefully at that point, employers would step in and ditch the crappy ones. On the other hand, having a system of expected/mandatory 15-30% tips encourages the same type of complacency.
It's a catch-22 system that screws over the consumer either way: with higher overall food prices, or by forcing the consumer to pay the majority of the employee's wages.
maybe it's just me but having read several of your posts smaka, I feel obliged to accuse you of being a terminator with a very basic understanding of human emotions that's slowly learning and evolving. Also for some reason you went back in time to play competitive tf2 for some reason
[quote=smakers][quote=AMC]I always tip highly, and recommend the same for several reasons:
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Your mentality is respectable. Part of the reason I do tip is in line with your tip -> service ratio idea. If it's a place I intend to return, I do tip decently even though it pains me to do so. I do not agree with your idea that non-tippers have a lack of foresight or empathy. If you acted on your empathy for everyone in a dead-end job whose wages barely (or don't even) make ends meet, you'd quickly become unable to make ends meet yourself.
I understand that delivery fees don't go to the driver and that the driver is not reimbursed by the employer for burning gas and maintaining his/her own vehicle. Again I ask, why should I be expected to reimburse them for merely performing the job duties for which they were hired? If they choose to take that job, everything becomes their responsibility. Nevertheless, a delivery person has a lot of time to do horrendous things to your food, so I do tip them decently well.
I do understand the benefit of tipping. It allows employers to pay their workers less and in-turn they can charge less for the food. If a restaurant with 10 servers suddenly had to pay those employees $5-8 more per hour, one can assume their menu prices would be jacked up quickly thereafter. I also understand that if each server were paid the same, this would penalize the excellent servers while simultaneously incentivizing the crappy ones to continue being crappy. Hopefully at that point, employers would step in and ditch the crappy ones. On the other hand, having a system of expected/mandatory 15-30% tips encourages the same type of complacency.
It's a catch-22 system that screws over the consumer either way: with higher overall food prices, or by forcing the consumer to pay the majority of the employee's wages.[/quote]
maybe it's just me but having read several of your posts smaka, I feel obliged to accuse you of being a terminator with a very basic understanding of human emotions that's slowly learning and evolving. Also for some reason you went back in time to play competitive tf2 for some reason
Smackers, What do you think the prices would be if they didn't get away with paying people 2.15 cents? Your food would be much higher, and honestly you couldn't probably afford to buy food out. As far as delivery fees, less than half goes to the delivery person. Pizza Hut charges 3 dollars, drivers get 1.15. Other places give a dollar. I drive and know what other people make on delivery charges.
Smackers, What do you think the prices would be if they didn't get away with paying people 2.15 cents? Your food would be much higher, and honestly you couldn't probably afford to buy food out. As far as delivery fees, less than half goes to the delivery person. Pizza Hut charges 3 dollars, drivers get 1.15. Other places give a dollar. I drive and know what other people make on delivery charges.
How on earth do businesses in america get away with paying people under minimum wage? Kind of defeats the whole point of minimum wage.
How on earth do businesses in america get away with paying people under minimum wage? Kind of defeats the whole point of [u]minimum[/u] wage.
MaxHaxSmackers, What do you think the prices would be if they didn't get away with paying people 2.15 cents? Your food would be much higher, and honestly you couldn't probably afford to buy food out. As far as delivery fees, less than half goes to the delivery person. Pizza Hut charges 3 dollars, drivers get 1.15. Other places give a dollar. I drive and know what other people make on delivery charges.
Yes, I fully understand (as noted in the previous post) that food costs would be higher. I don't think it would be as huge as you propose because it'd be an industry-wide change and making it affordable for people to eat out is the only way restaurants would stay in business. Other than that, I think you are hitting on the same points as me.
[quote=MaxHax]Smackers, What do you think the prices would be if they didn't get away with paying people 2.15 cents? Your food would be much higher, and honestly you couldn't probably afford to buy food out. As far as delivery fees, less than half goes to the delivery person. Pizza Hut charges 3 dollars, drivers get 1.15. Other places give a dollar. I drive and know what other people make on delivery charges.[/quote]
Yes, I fully understand (as noted in the previous post) that food costs would be higher. I don't think it would be as huge as you propose because it'd be an industry-wide change and making it affordable for people to eat out is the only way restaurants would stay in business. Other than that, I think you are hitting on the same points as me.
keepertonKevmeisterOk I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?
Generally at fast food places, they don't even give you the option to tip. I also think pizza places are at least one step above fast food establishments?
Hmm well they are doing pretty much the same job? Are you saying the pizza delivery person does a harder job so deserve more? I don't know if they get they get the same pay. If the fast food worker gets more an hour then I can see why you tip the Pizza delivery person. But if it's the same I can't understand why.
[quote=keeperton][quote=Kevmeister]Ok I see. Well what's the difference between fast food and pizza delivery? Or are their wages different?[/quote]
Generally at fast food places, they don't even give you the option to tip. I also think pizza places are at least one step above fast food establishments?[/quote]
Hmm well they are doing pretty much the same job? Are you saying the pizza delivery person does a harder job so deserve more? I don't know if they get they get the same pay. If the fast food worker gets more an hour then I can see why you tip the Pizza delivery person. But if it's the same I can't understand why.
wait youre suppose to tip?
wait youre suppose to tip?
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It's more logical to consider that the money you tip is part of the price of a thing. If there were no tips, the companies would have to charge more, but only to cover the difference between their current wages, and the rough equivilant of the wages plus current tips. The money has to come from somewhere, so the price of your food goes up. The price would only go up by how much the now nonexistant tips were on average.
Again I ask, why should I be expected to reimburse them for merely performing the job duties for which they were hired?
It's the same as buying any other service, just because it doesn't work the same way and you can short change the system, doesn't mean you SHOULD. The average of tips affects the wages, lowering the cost and prices for the restaurant, but increasing the demand and need for tips. Doesn't this mean that I'm reimbursing them for the people who are shorthanding them?
If the fast food worker gets more an hour then I can see why you tip the Pizza delivery person. But if it's the same I can't understand why.
They are paid less in a way, as they get the same amount, minus the cost of gas paid out of pocket.
It's more logical to consider that the money you tip is part of the price of a thing. If there were no tips, the companies would have to charge more, but only to cover the difference between their current wages, and the rough equivilant of the wages plus current tips. The money has to come from somewhere, so the price of your food goes up. The price would only go up by how much the now nonexistant tips were on average.
[quote]Again I ask, why should I be expected to reimburse them for merely performing the job duties for which they were hired?[/quote]
It's the same as buying any other service, just because it doesn't work the same way and you can short change the system, doesn't mean you SHOULD. The average of tips affects the wages, lowering the cost and prices for the restaurant, but increasing the demand and need for tips. Doesn't this mean that I'm reimbursing them for the people who are shorthanding them?
[quote]If the fast food worker gets more an hour then I can see why you tip the Pizza delivery person. But if it's the same I can't understand why.[/quote]
They are paid less in a way, as they get the same amount, minus the cost of gas paid out of pocket.
$2 but I never get food delivered from places further than 1 mile from me.
$2 but I never get food delivered from places further than 1 mile from me.
Khakimaybe it's just me but having read several of your posts smaka, I feel obliged to accuse you of being a terminator with a very basic understanding of human emotions that's slowly learning and evolving. Also for some reason you went back in time to play competitive tf2 for some reason
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I donate both time and money to various charities, I help friends and family when they're in binds, and I generally am a good Samaritan when possible. I want to assume your post is mostly facetious, but I don't really know you, so it's hard to read your intentions from the text. If you are indeed calling me a heartless bastard, then I must ask, why does the concept of me not feeling sorry for a person who has failed to enhance their education/skillset for the betterment of their own livelihood equate to me barely understanding human emotions? Is it terribly wrong of me that I feel each person should help themselves before being helped by others?
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maybe it's just me but having read several of your posts smaka, I feel obliged to accuse you of being a terminator with a very basic understanding of human emotions that's slowly learning and evolving. Also for some reason you went back in time to play competitive tf2 for some reason[/quote]
:p
I donate both time and money to various charities, I help friends and family when they're in binds, and I generally am a good Samaritan when possible. I want to assume your post is mostly facetious, but I don't really know you, so it's hard to read your intentions from the text. If you are indeed calling me a heartless bastard, then I must ask, why does the concept of me not feeling sorry for a person who has failed to enhance their education/skillset for the betterment of their own livelihood equate to me barely understanding human emotions? Is it terribly wrong of me that I feel each person should help themselves before being helped by others?