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#2851
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FYI you got very lucky because of the different 24 pin connector.
The ATX 4/8 pin and PCIe 6/8 pin are usually the same because let's be real here, there's not that many reasonable pinouts for half +12V, half GND (and 1/2 sense wires for the PCIe that everyone abuses for more power or just ignores completely) and even if they were different the only other option is a straight up short circuit. In that case any decent PSU will refuse to start and you should be safe. I wouldn't try it though.
However if you had been able to connect the wrong 24 pin cable then now your mobo, CPU and possibly GPU would also be dead.

PSU OEMs generally try to foolproof the cables for example by using 8 pin on the PSU side for the PCIe cables and 6 pin for the SATA/peripheral cables. However that doesn't prevent some people from shoving 6 pin connectors into 8 pin slots or using different cables (I know you just didn't want to recable everything).
The only OEM who seems to have figured out a solution is Super Flower. They use 9 pin connectors so their own cables will fit in any slot (and whatever pins aren't needed just aren't connected to the cable) and other cables won't fit at all.

I know that this doesn't help you at this point but someone else might read it and benefit.
The only thing that can help you now are backups.
I hope you've got backups.

FYI you got very lucky because of the different 24 pin connector.
The ATX 4/8 pin and PCIe 6/8 pin are usually the same because let's be real here, there's not that many reasonable pinouts for half +12V, half GND (and 1/2 sense wires for the PCIe that everyone abuses for more power or just ignores completely) and even if they were different the only other option is a straight up short circuit. In that case any decent PSU will refuse to start and you should be safe. I wouldn't try it though.
However if you had been able to connect the wrong 24 pin cable then now your mobo, CPU and possibly GPU would also be dead.

PSU OEMs generally try to foolproof the cables for example by using 8 pin on the PSU side for the PCIe cables and 6 pin for the SATA/peripheral cables. However that doesn't prevent some people from shoving 6 pin connectors into 8 pin slots or using different cables (I know you just didn't want to recable everything).
The only OEM who seems to have figured out a solution is Super Flower. They use 9 pin connectors so their own cables will fit in any slot (and whatever pins aren't needed just aren't connected to the cable) and other cables won't fit at all.

I know that this doesn't help you at this point but someone else might read it and benefit.
The only thing that can help you now are backups.
I hope you've got backups.
2852
#2852
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SetsulFYI you got very lucky because of the different 24 pin connector.
The ATX 4/8 pin and PCIe 6/8 pin are usually the same because let's be real here, there's not that many reasonable pinouts for half +12V, half GND (and 1/2 sense wires for the PCIe that everyone abuses for more power or just ignores completely) and even if they were different the only other option is a straight up short circuit. In that case any decent PSU will refuse to start and you should be safe. I wouldn't try it though.
However if you had been able to connect the wrong 24 pin cable then now your mobo, CPU and possibly GPU would also be dead.

PSU OEMs generally try to foolproof the cables for example by using 8 pin on the PSU side for the PCIe cables and 6 pin for the SATA/peripheral cables. However that doesn't prevent some people from shoving 6 pin connectors into 8 pin slots or using different cables (I know you just didn't want to recable everything).
The only OEM who seems to have figured out a solution is Super Flower. They use 9 pin connectors so their own cables will fit in any slot (and whatever pins aren't needed just aren't connected to the cable) and other cables won't fit at all.

I know that this doesn't help you at this point but someone else might read it and benefit.
The only thing that can help you now are backups.
I hope you've got backups.

Nah I don't have any backups(although maybe I should look into that) but I only fried $200 of equipment and all the data on those hard drives is either recoverable from other sources or unnecessary. Not a big deal, I actually have a backup 512gb SSD and 2tb hdd that I wasn't using so the $200 is a fair price to pay for the learning experience

[quote=Setsul]FYI you got very lucky because of the different 24 pin connector.
The ATX 4/8 pin and PCIe 6/8 pin are usually the same because let's be real here, there's not that many reasonable pinouts for half +12V, half GND (and 1/2 sense wires for the PCIe that everyone abuses for more power or just ignores completely) and even if they were different the only other option is a straight up short circuit. In that case any decent PSU will refuse to start and you should be safe. I wouldn't try it though.
However if you had been able to connect the wrong 24 pin cable then now your mobo, CPU and possibly GPU would also be dead.

PSU OEMs generally try to foolproof the cables for example by using 8 pin on the PSU side for the PCIe cables and 6 pin for the SATA/peripheral cables. However that doesn't prevent some people from shoving 6 pin connectors into 8 pin slots or using different cables (I know you just didn't want to recable everything).
The only OEM who seems to have figured out a solution is Super Flower. They use 9 pin connectors so their own cables will fit in any slot (and whatever pins aren't needed just aren't connected to the cable) and other cables won't fit at all.

I know that this doesn't help you at this point but someone else might read it and benefit.
The only thing that can help you now are backups.
I hope you've got backups.[/quote]
Nah I don't have any backups(although maybe I should look into that) but I only fried $200 of equipment and all the data on those hard drives is either recoverable from other sources or unnecessary. Not a big deal, I actually have a backup 512gb SSD and 2tb hdd that I wasn't using so the $200 is a fair price to pay for the learning experience
2853
#2853
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whats the minimum amount of money need to make a 240hz build. Yes to overclocking, no need for peripherals except for 240hz

whats the minimum amount of money need to make a 240hz build. Yes to overclocking, no need for peripherals except for 240hz
2854
#2854
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Hello after years of using a laptop i wanna get a real setup !
I will mostly play tf2 and fortnite on it, hoping to get around 200 frames on tf2 with a graphic configs and around 120/140 on fortnite on pretty low settings ?
Hoping to spend 800€ max. I won't stream with it, i also know nothing about overclocking so probably no.
I woud like to build it in the next month but if there are good deals later i can wait.
Thank you for your help!

Hello after years of using a laptop i wanna get a real setup !
I will mostly play tf2 and fortnite on it, hoping to get around 200 frames on tf2 with a graphic configs and around 120/140 on fortnite on pretty low settings ?
Hoping to spend 800€ max. I won't stream with it, i also know nothing about overclocking so probably no.
I woud like to build it in the next month but if there are good deals later i can wait.
Thank you for your help!
2855
#2855
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#2853
A rapsberry pi and any 240 Hz monitor should work.
It won't run many games at 240 fps, but it would run 240 Hz.

A build that will run any game at >240 fps on any resolution and settings isn't possible.
So you'll have to be a bit more specific with your minimum requirements, unless the raspberry pi build is good enough.

#2854
Should be doable. New mobos/chipsets for Intel and new CPUs from AMD are coming so I'd rather not make a partlist now since it'll change quite a bit until next month.
Post again in the week in which you'll buy/build it.

#2853
A rapsberry pi and any 240 Hz monitor should work.
It won't run many games at 240 fps, but it would run 240 Hz.

A build that will run any game at >240 fps on any resolution and settings isn't possible.
So you'll have to be a bit more specific with your minimum requirements, unless the raspberry pi build is good enough.

#2854
Should be doable. New mobos/chipsets for Intel and new CPUs from AMD are coming so I'd rather not make a partlist now since it'll change quite a bit until next month.
Post again in the week in which you'll buy/build it.
2856
#2856
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Not all that related to actual builds, but I'm curious, how do keep up on all this stuff Setsul? I really enjoy just reading through this thread every once in a while, but I'd like to know whether you just have a couple of newsletters you read or if you religiously browse manufacturer's websites, or what. It just seems like a ton of info to keep up to date on.

Not all that related to actual builds, but I'm curious, how do keep up on all this stuff Setsul? I really enjoy just reading through this thread every once in a while, but I'd like to know whether you just have a couple of newsletters you read or if you religiously browse manufacturer's websites, or what. It just seems like a ton of info to keep up to date on.
2857
#2857
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Getting 240 fps in tf2 1280x720 using the comangliacoms config

Getting 240 fps in tf2 1280x720 using the comangliacoms config
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#2858
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#2856
CPU architectures are kind of my thing so I'd be looking at benchmarks anyway. GPUs are not that complicated (in terms of tradeoffs, there is a strict order at least within each manufacturer in terms of speed) and I keep track of that for the technical details as well.
Mobos are easy, RAM is easy, SSD/HDD market doesn't move that fast so basically no work there.
Cases are usually placeholders or just whatever is not shit (dust filters, 2 fans, layout not complete aids) and cheap atm.
PSUs are interesting so I'm reading reviews on new platforms anyway and since 90% are shit or overpriced anyway I just need to look up which PSUs use one of the 2 or 3 platforms worth buying in that performance/price segment and then see if any of those are available or even on sale.

Maybe I'll actually finish the guide before this summer.

#2857
Ok, I'm not entirely sure what the absolute minimum would be. Pub/HL/6s obviously also makes a difference as does minimum vs average vs 95/99 percentile fps.
Tell me how many fps you're currently getting with those settings with which CPU then I should be able to make an educated guess what you'd need.

About the monitor: Are you going for one 24.5" 1080p 240 Hz LCDs or a CRT?

Used parts or everything new?

#2856
CPU architectures are kind of my thing so I'd be looking at benchmarks anyway. GPUs are not that complicated (in terms of tradeoffs, there is a strict order at least within each manufacturer in terms of speed) and I keep track of that for the technical details as well.
Mobos are easy, RAM is easy, SSD/HDD market doesn't move that fast so basically no work there.
Cases are usually placeholders or just whatever is not shit (dust filters, 2 fans, layout not complete aids) and cheap atm.
PSUs are interesting so I'm reading reviews on new platforms anyway and since 90% are shit or overpriced anyway I just need to look up which PSUs use one of the 2 or 3 platforms worth buying in that performance/price segment and then see if any of those are available or even on sale.

Maybe I'll actually finish the guide before this summer.

#2857
Ok, I'm not entirely sure what the absolute minimum would be. Pub/HL/6s obviously also makes a difference as does minimum vs average vs 95/99 percentile fps.
Tell me how many fps you're currently getting with those settings with which CPU then I should be able to make an educated guess what you'd need.

About the monitor: Are you going for one 24.5" 1080p 240 Hz LCDs or a CRT?

Used parts or everything new?
2859
#2859
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I7 6700hq+gtx 960m (laptop gamer) gives me an average of 140 fps in a 6s game at 1080p while streaming. Using comangliacoms. Average of 240 fps would be nice. I want the 1080p lcd monitor. And I would like everything to be new, but gpu prices are up so I might go used for that if it isn’t too bad

I7 6700hq+gtx 960m (laptop gamer) gives me an average of 140 fps in a 6s game at 1080p while streaming. Using comangliacoms. Average of 240 fps would be nice. I want the 1080p lcd monitor. And I would like everything to be new, but gpu prices are up so I might go used for that if it isn’t too bad
2860
#2860
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Ok then you'd need ~4.5 GHz (or higher) Skylake assuming the 6700HQ was running at base clock and not throttling. Sustained turbo seems unlikely.
If you've been streaming with NVENC/QuickSync that means i3-8350K + OC (7350K would be an option but would have to be clocked higher and that's cutting it a bit too close), with x264 the extra threads would actually matter so probably an i5-8600K.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sxdPnH
This isn't the absolute minimum but the tradeoffs aren't really worth it to save 100$ on a 1100$ build.

Ok then you'd need ~4.5 GHz (or higher) Skylake assuming the 6700HQ was running at base clock and not throttling. Sustained turbo seems unlikely.
If you've been streaming with NVENC/QuickSync that means i3-8350K + OC (7350K would be an option but would have to be clocked higher and that's cutting it a bit too close), with x264 the extra threads would actually matter so probably an i5-8600K.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sxdPnH
This isn't the absolute minimum but the tradeoffs aren't really worth it to save 100$ on a 1100$ build.
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#2861
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This is probably a dumb question, and I couldn't find any definitive answers online, but does thermal compound go bad or have an expiration date? I have a tube of arctic silver 5 that's still like 3/4 full cuz I only ever used it on two CPU installs, but it's probably a good 4-6 years old; do you think it'd work the same, or are there any agents inside of it that go bad over time?

This is probably a dumb question, and I couldn't find any definitive answers online, but does thermal compound go bad or have an expiration date? I have a tube of arctic silver 5 that's still like 3/4 full cuz I only ever used it on two CPU installs, but it's probably a good 4-6 years old; do you think it'd work the same, or are there any agents inside of it that go bad over time?
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#2862
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If it's still a paste and not dried up it's fine. Depending on the paste it can't even dry up.

So you can use to reapply the thermal paste on an old cooler.
A new cooler should come with new thermal paste or even preapplied paste so using that will obviously be better.

If it's still a paste and not dried up it's fine. Depending on the paste it can't even dry up.

So you can use to reapply the thermal paste on an old cooler.
A new cooler should come with new thermal paste or even preapplied paste so using that will obviously be better.
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#2863
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SetsulIf it's still a paste and not dried up it's fine. Depending on the paste it can't even dry up.

So you can use to reapply the thermal paste on an old cooler.
A new cooler should come with new thermal paste or even preapplied paste so using that will obviously be better.

that is the case with the Corsair H60 I installed, I just used the reapplied paste it had for now, but I'm having difficulty overclocking my 8700k beyond 4.5Ghz, so I though replacing the current thermal paste with something higher grade would help.

[quote=Setsul]If it's still a paste and not dried up it's fine. Depending on the paste it can't even dry up.

So you can use to reapply the thermal paste on an old cooler.
A new cooler should come with new thermal paste or even preapplied paste so using that will obviously be better.[/quote]
that is the case with the Corsair H60 I installed, I just used the reapplied paste it had for now, but I'm having difficulty overclocking my 8700k beyond 4.5Ghz, so I though replacing the current thermal paste with something higher grade would help.
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#2864
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Yo dudes, looking for a few other opinions on the situation I'm in.

My workplace is closing down so I've been able to nab some decent IT components we could have sold. Mainly 2 x 250gb 850 EVOs and a non-k i7 6700 (the motherboard that went with this was a manufacturing specialist POS)

My current set up is a i5 3570k @4.5, GTX 1080, with a 250gb 840 evo. Also running a WD dual drive (120gb sdd and 1tb hdd in one 2.5" chassis), then a older 1tb mechanical used as a yearly backup.

Should I replaced my mobo and RAM to utilise the non-overclockable i7? Was thinking I could sysprep my current image and stay on W7 with skylake. Or should I sell and keep that money aside for Zen2/ice/tiger lake?

Should I raid the 250s? or sell them along with my current 250 and get a 1tb ssd? Being ivy bridge I can't use a m.2 drive either unless i replaced mobo (see above)

Yo dudes, looking for a few other opinions on the situation I'm in.

My workplace is closing down so I've been able to nab some decent IT components we could have sold. Mainly 2 x 250gb 850 EVOs and a non-k i7 6700 (the motherboard that went with this was a manufacturing specialist POS)

My current set up is a i5 3570k @4.5, GTX 1080, with a 250gb 840 evo. Also running a WD dual drive (120gb sdd and 1tb hdd in one 2.5" chassis), then a older 1tb mechanical used as a yearly backup.

Should I replaced my mobo and RAM to utilise the non-overclockable i7? Was thinking I could sysprep my current image and stay on W7 with skylake. Or should I sell and keep that money aside for Zen2/ice/tiger lake?

Should I raid the 250s? or sell them along with my current 250 and get a 1tb ssd? Being ivy bridge I can't use a m.2 drive either unless i replaced mobo (see above)
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#2865
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#2863
A better thermal paste would buy you maybe 1°C.
Is this even a thermal problem?
If it is only delidding or a better cooler can save you.
If it isn't then you're doing something very wrong because the 8700K boosts to 4.7 GHz.

#2864
The 6700 should be a bit faster. Mostly in multi-threaded but in some single-threaded programs as well.
So what should the upgrade improve and by how much?
A new CPU would definitely be a bigger upgrade but I'm not sure how much you'd have to pay extra.

Just in case: Do you know about the Zeffy patch? https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc Because the glorious overlords at microsoft have decided that no one should get any updates for W7/8 at all if they dare upgrading their hardware without buying W10.

RAID 0, 1 or 5? And why?

#2863
A better thermal paste would buy you maybe 1°C.
Is this even a thermal problem?
If it is only delidding or a better cooler can save you.
If it isn't then you're doing something very wrong because the 8700K boosts to 4.7 GHz.

#2864
The 6700 should be a bit faster. Mostly in multi-threaded but in some single-threaded programs as well.
So what should the upgrade improve and by how much?
A new CPU would definitely be a bigger upgrade but I'm not sure how much you'd have to pay extra.

Just in case: Do you know about the Zeffy patch? https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc Because the glorious overlords at microsoft have decided that no one should get any updates for W7/8 at all if they dare upgrading their hardware without buying W10.

RAID 0, 1 or 5? And why?
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#2866
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I'd expect anywhere from £50-100 to find a Z170/270 board these days
RAM is likely going to be an extra £150+ for 16GB
Zeffy patch surely won't apply to skylake? Only kaby/coffee lake?

Alternatively I could sell the 6700 for about £140 and buy a 6700k for £170
Then buy a Z270 board over a H270 board.

Would also go RAID 0, it'll mainly hold games so the data isn't vital in the random case the raid array fails.

I'd expect anywhere from £50-100 to find a Z170/270 board these days
RAM is likely going to be an extra £150+ for 16GB
Zeffy patch surely won't apply to skylake? Only kaby/coffee lake?

Alternatively I could sell the 6700 for about £140 and buy a 6700k for £170
Then buy a Z270 board over a H270 board.

Would also go RAID 0, it'll mainly hold games so the data isn't vital in the random case the raid array fails.
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#2867
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The RAM might be cheaper if you wait for Zen2/ice/tiger lake but I wouldn't really count that because there's to many variables involved. 8GB and upgrading later is also an option.
Anyway it's more important to know why you're upgrading and whether or not the 6700 is worth it for that.
Zeffy patch would apply to kaby/coffee/ice/tiger lake and Zen/Zen+/Zen2.

If you can sell it. You'd not be limited to the 6700K though.

RAID0 with 2 or 4 SSDs? And why?

The RAM might be cheaper if you wait for Zen2/ice/tiger lake but I wouldn't really count that because there's to many variables involved. 8GB and upgrading later is also an option.
Anyway it's more important to know why you're upgrading and whether or not the 6700 is worth it for that.
Zeffy patch would apply to kaby/coffee/ice/tiger lake and Zen/Zen+/Zen2.

If you can sell it. You'd not be limited to the 6700K though.

RAID0 with 2 or 4 SSDs? And why?
2868
#2868
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It's less why and more so that I have it, so probably worth utilising? Especially as I'm running ivy bridge it seems like a good idea to upgrade if I all I need is a mobo + RAM no?

I suppose I could always try and snag a 7700k and run a z270 and run the Zeffy patch whilst selling the 6700 and the 8gb of 2133mhz RAM.

Would be RAID0 with 2 SSDs, but likely will sell both and get a m.2 to go with the mobo replacement

It's less why and more so that I have it, so probably worth utilising? Especially as I'm running ivy bridge it seems like a good idea to upgrade if I all I need is a mobo + RAM no?

I suppose I could always try and snag a 7700k and run a z270 and run the Zeffy patch whilst selling the 6700 and the 8gb of 2133mhz RAM.

Would be RAID0 with 2 SSDs, but likely will sell both and get a m.2 to go with the mobo replacement
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#2869
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i'm back once again looking for more advice on my poorly thoughtout builds

1. if i'm staying with a 8400, should i bother getting a 3rd party cooler?
i also want this setup to last a while before i have to do an upgrade, which i prob why i been sticking to the coffee lake i5's than the 8350k, also i've been seeing a bit of sttutering in a few 8350k benchmarks (although that might be different with each chip, mostly happened in the gta v benchmark which is a game i do plan on playing with this new pc), still on the fence on what i'm getting but still
the stock cooler seems to do fine with the 8400 and i could save that money on something else honestly

2. should i buy a ssd even if it is only 120 gbs (assuming the w10 is 20gbs, only 100 of those will be free)
also i'm pretty sure i can use a m.2 ssd no matter if i buy a b360 or a z370, should i buy one instead of a normal sata one

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/smessy/saved/X26JVn - the build in mind for now, if i get a cooler it'll be one from the ones that appear in logicalincrements, and i could also get a z370 for around the same price for a more visible upgrade path in the future.

i'm back once again looking for more advice on my poorly thoughtout builds

1. if i'm staying with a 8400, should i bother getting a 3rd party cooler?
i also want this setup to last a while before i have to do an upgrade, which i prob why i been sticking to the coffee lake i5's than the 8350k, also i've been seeing [url=https://youtu.be/fGC2Oh7cPeQ?t=3m44s]a bit of sttutering in a few 8350k benchmarks[/url] (although that might be different with each chip, mostly happened in the gta v benchmark which is a game i do plan on playing with this new pc), still on the fence on what i'm getting but still
the [url=https://youtu.be/hfb-PYsisXg?t=2m48s]stock cooler seems to do fine with the 8400[/url] and i could save that money on something else honestly

2. should i buy a ssd even if it is only 120 gbs (assuming the w10 is 20gbs, only 100 of those will be free)
also i'm pretty sure i can use a m.2 ssd no matter if i buy a b360 or a z370, should i buy one instead of a normal sata one

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/smessy/saved/X26JVn - the build in mind for now, if i get a cooler it'll be one from the ones that appear in logicalincrements, and i could also get a z370 for around the same price for a more visible upgrade path in the future.
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#2870
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#2868
The question is what do you get out of it?
If you run a game and before you got 64 fps and now you get 72 fps was that worth investing 200 pounds?

Or 8350K on Z170 for the lulz. It's the same die as the 7700K, just needs a BIOS "fix".

If you get an actual M.2 NVMe SSD and not just an M.2 SATA SSD then that would probably faster but also more expensive.

#2869
1. No. What good would the stock cooler be if it couldn't handle the slowest i5 at stock settings?
The stuttering might not be due to the CPU. Both CPU and GPU usage drop massively, something might be interfering.

2. Also you shouldn't use 100% of an SSD's capacity or it'll slow down quite a bit. 120GB SSDs are rarely much cheaper than 240/250GB. For that model it's 20$.

Which "more visible upgrade path" are you talking about?

#2868
The question is what do you get out of it?
If you run a game and before you got 64 fps and now you get 72 fps was that worth investing 200 pounds?

Or 8350K on Z170 for the lulz. It's the same die as the 7700K, just needs a BIOS "fix".

If you get an actual M.2 NVMe SSD and not just an M.2 SATA SSD then that would probably faster but also more expensive.

#2869
1. No. What good would the stock cooler be if it couldn't handle the slowest i5 at stock settings?
The stuttering might not be due to the CPU. Both CPU and GPU usage drop massively, something might be interfering.

2. Also you shouldn't use 100% of an SSD's capacity or it'll slow down quite a bit. 120GB SSDs are rarely much cheaper than 240/250GB. For that model it's 20$.

Which "more visible upgrade path" are you talking about?
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#2871
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what i mostly meant by that is upgrading to a 8600k in the future without worrying about the mobo, although if i ever upgrade to a new cpu it's prob gonna be to whatever gen is after ice lake and its very likely im gonna need a new mobo either way so it doesnt matter
i have the money to buy a 8600k rn but i would rather just use those 60ish bucks more in saving for a 144hz or preripherals

are the samsung ssds worth the extra price

any cooler reccomendations preferably below 50 USD?

what i mostly meant by that is upgrading to a 8600k in the future without worrying about the mobo, although if i ever upgrade to a new cpu it's prob gonna be to whatever gen is after ice lake and its very likely im gonna need a new mobo either way so it doesnt matter
i have the money to buy a 8600k rn but i would rather just use those 60ish bucks more in saving for a 144hz or preripherals

are the samsung ssds worth the extra price

any cooler reccomendations preferably below 50 USD?
2872
#2872
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Exactly.

Yes.

No, just stick with the stock cooler. If you really want to replace it you can still do that later.

Exactly.

Yes.

No, just stick with the stock cooler. If you really want to replace it you can still do that later.
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#2873
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Setsul#2863
A better thermal paste would buy you maybe 1°C.
Is this even a thermal problem?
If it is only delidding or a better cooler can save you.
If it isn't then you're doing something very wrong because the 8700K boosts to 4.7 GHz.

Mr. Setsul, I have a question that I keep getting conflicting opinions on. For the Corsair H60, should you have the fan setup to blow hot air out of the PC case from the radiator, Or should the fan be place backwards so that it's blow cool air through the radiator? as of now I have the first method in place, and my cpu idles around 60-70c, and when running near 90 to 100% use on each core, it runs around 95/100c, which I can understand is way too hot

[quote=Setsul]#2863
A better thermal paste would buy you maybe 1°C.
Is this even a thermal problem?
If it is only delidding or a better cooler can save you.
If it isn't then you're doing something very wrong because the 8700K boosts to 4.7 GHz.

[/quote]
Mr. Setsul, I have a question that I keep getting conflicting opinions on. For the Corsair H60, should you have the fan setup to blow hot air out of the PC case from the radiator, Or should the fan be place backwards so that it's blow cool air through the radiator? as of now I have the first method in place, and my cpu idles around 60-70c, and when running near 90 to 100% use on each core, it runs around 95/100c, which I can understand is way too hot
2874
#2874
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<-----------------------Air Direction-------------------------------
Case | Radiator | Fan | PC Internals | Front intake fans

How I have my AIO set up. Fan takes cold air from the front and blows it over the radiator out the back.

<-----------------------Air Direction-------------------------------
Case | Radiator | Fan | PC Internals | Front intake fans

How I have my AIO set up. Fan takes cold air from the front and blows it over the radiator out the back.
2875
#2875
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Maxi-<-----------------------Air Direction-------------------------------
Case | Radiator | Fan | PC Internals | Front intake fans

How I have my AIO set up. Fan takes cold air from the front and blows it over the radiator out the back.

Update; Okay well I switched around the position of my radiator and fan like you said, along with applying some arctic silver thermal paste, and I'm now idling at 38 degrees celsius, so I must have done something correctly, thanks for the info

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Case | Radiator | Fan | PC Internals | Front intake fans

How I have my AIO set up. Fan takes cold air from the front and blows it over the radiator out the back.[/quote]
Update; Okay well I switched around the position of my radiator and fan like you said, along with applying some arctic silver thermal paste, and I'm now idling at 38 degrees celsius, so I must have done something correctly, thanks for the info
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#2876
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a few more questions

i've been mostly sticking with a normal 1050 for the build i'm thinking about, but i could buy a 1050 ti or maybe a 1060, will there even be a noticeable difference in tf2 if i buy either of these instead of the normal 1050?
i could also try using this cash to buy a 8600k + z370

is there any difference between these 2 PSUs besides one of them being modular?

the builds in question:

8400 w/ 1050 and samsung 250gb ssd
8400 w/ 1050ti and PNY 120gb ssd
8400 w/ 1060 (no ssd)
8600k w/ 1050 (no ssd)

what seems like the overall better build
keeping in mind i will mostly play tf2 and a few other shooters like gtav or whatever my heart desires (and affords), i'm still open to the idea of a 8350k but i dont want to upgrade this system in a while

i can still add a cheap ssd to the ones without one, but i'm also thinking about buying a 144hz and a mic so

a few more questions

i've been mostly sticking with a normal 1050 for the build i'm thinking about, but i could buy a 1050 ti or maybe a 1060, will there even be a noticeable difference [b]in tf2[/b] if i buy either of these instead of the normal 1050?
i could also try using this cash to buy a 8600k + z370

is there any difference between [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]these[/url] 2 [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7L7YJ/corsair-cx-2017-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020120-na]PSUs[/url] besides one of them being modular?

the builds in question:

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/user/smessy/saved/X26JVn]8400 w/ 1050 and samsung 250gb ssd[/url]
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/user/smessy/saved/Py9kTW]8400 w/ 1050ti and PNY 120gb ssd[/url]
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/user/smessy/saved/btR7hM]8400 w/ 1060 (no ssd)[/url]
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/user/smessy/saved/R6DYrH]8600k w/ 1050 (no ssd)[/url]

what seems like the overall better build
keeping in mind i will mostly play tf2 and a few other shooters like gtav or whatever my heart desires (and affords), i'm still open to the idea of a 8350k but i dont want to upgrade this system in a while

i can still add a cheap ssd to the ones without one, but i'm also thinking about buying a 144hz and a mic so
2877
#2877
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smesikeeping in mind i will mostly play tf2 or whatever my heart desires

https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/333600/header.jpg?t=1515531079

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keeping in mind i will mostly play tf2 or [u][b]whatever my heart desires[/b][/u]
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[img]https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/333600/header.jpg?t=1515531079[/img]
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#2878
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#2876
No, no difference in TF2.
Also no difference between oc'd 8350K and oc'd 8600K.

The CX450M is actually good and often on sale, the CX450 (2017) is red flag city.
-No reviews mean no review samples. No review samples for a budget PSU means it's shit and they know it.
-Dual sourced. So it's actually two different PSUs. Welcome to the bait and switch.
-They were supposed to be 80+ Silver. Now they're Bronze. The design(s) is (are) significantly worse than expected but they're selling it anyway.
-Apparently it's Half-Bridge LLC. That usually gets you Gold, if not Platinum. This failed Silver. That design is either terribly fucked up or bottom of the barrel components.

#2876
No, no difference in TF2.
Also no difference between oc'd 8350K and oc'd 8600K.

The CX450M is actually good and often on sale, the CX450 (2017) is red flag city.
-No reviews mean no review samples. No review samples for a budget PSU means it's shit and they know it.
-Dual sourced. So it's actually two different PSUs. Welcome to the bait and switch.
-They were supposed to be 80+ Silver. Now they're Bronze. The design(s) is (are) significantly worse than expected but they're selling it anyway.
-Apparently it's Half-Bridge LLC. That usually gets you Gold, if not Platinum. This failed Silver. That design is either terribly fucked up or bottom of the barrel components.
2879
#2879
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its me again, more questions

would the hyperthreading in an i7 make a significant difference in tf2?
i realized i could buy a non-k 8700 within my budget, although i'm guessing cuz the max turbo frequency is 4.6 (which is prob what i was gonna look to OC to in both the 8600k or the 8350k if i bought those instead), i think i might need to buy a cooler in the future, i could also just ditch the ssd and buy a cooler off that but still.

besides that 8700 build, the only other builds i have in mind are just 8600k and the 8350k, also the 8400 build i posted last time

i'll prob upgrade my gpu to a 1050ti with the 8350k, or a 1060 3gb with the 8400 build, but you said you GPUs dont make that much of a difference in tf2 so

thanks again for the help

also still looking for cooler reccomendations if i buy the 8350k or the 8600k, and maybe the 8400 too since it doesnt hit the max turbo frequency with the stock cooler, is the H7 i picked enough to get around 4.5 GHz?

its me again, more questions

would the hyperthreading in an i7 make a significant difference in tf2?
i realized i could [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64R8J8]buy a non-k 8700 [/url] within my budget, although i'm guessing cuz the max turbo frequency is 4.6 (which is prob what i was gonna look to OC to in both the 8600k or the 8350k if i bought those instead), i think i might need to buy a cooler in the future, i could also just ditch the ssd and buy a cooler off that but still.

besides that 8700 build, the only other builds i have in mind are just [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4n9BcY]8600k[/url] and the [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMjQD2]8350k[/url], also the [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tt4ZZR]8400 build[/url] i posted last time

i'll prob upgrade my gpu to a 1050ti with the 8350k, or a 1060 3gb with the 8400 build, but you said you GPUs dont make that much of a difference in tf2 so

thanks again for the help


[b]also[/b] still looking for cooler reccomendations if i buy the 8350k or the 8600k, and maybe the 8400 too since it doesnt hit the max turbo frequency with the stock cooler, is the H7 i picked enough to get around 4.5 GHz?
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#2880
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smesiits me again, more questions

would the hyperthreading in an i7 make a significant difference in tf2?
i realized i could buy a non-k 8700 within my budget, although i'm guessing cuz the max turbo frequency is 4.6 (which is prob what i was gonna look to OC to in both the 8600k or the 8350k if i bought those instead), i think i might need to buy a cooler in the future, i could also just ditch the ssd and buy a cooler off that but still.

besides that 8700 build, the only other builds i have in mind are just 8600k and the 8350k, also the 8400 build i posted last time

i'll prob upgrade my gpu to a 1050ti with the 8350k, or a 1060 3gb with the 8400 build, but you said you GPUs dont make that much of a difference in tf2 so

thanks again for the help

No. If anything the game will run better without the hyper threading. Not sure if TF2 will but CSGO does run better without it. It's pretty marginal though.

[quote=smesi]its me again, more questions

would the hyperthreading in an i7 make a significant difference in tf2?
i realized i could [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64R8J8]buy a non-k 8700 [/url] within my budget, although i'm guessing cuz the max turbo frequency is 4.6 (which is prob what i was gonna look to OC to in both the 8600k or the 8350k if i bought those instead), i think i might need to buy a cooler in the future, i could also just ditch the ssd and buy a cooler off that but still.

besides that 8700 build, the only other builds i have in mind are just [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4n9BcY]8600k[/url] and the [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMjQD2]8350k[/url], also the [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tt4ZZR]8400 build[/url] i posted last time

i'll prob upgrade my gpu to a 1050ti with the 8350k, or a 1060 3gb with the 8400 build, but you said you GPUs dont make that much of a difference in tf2 so

thanks again for the help[/quote]

No. If anything the game will run better without the hyper threading. Not sure if TF2 will but CSGO does run better without it. It's pretty marginal though.
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