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#2611
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I'm looking to upgrade/replace my 5 year old build. Hoping to spend <$1100 CDN, but I can go over that if needed. I exclusively use linux, so I'm looking for hardware with good support. I currently have

  • AMD FX8350 (+Antec Khuler 620)
  • ASUS GTX 570
  • 2x4GB RAM
  • Antec 550W PSU (I think? Can't see the label without taking it out)
  • Coolermaster HAF 922

I'm looking to upgrade the CPU/Motherboard, GPU, RAM, PSU if needed, and case.

I'd like 120+ FPS in csgo for at least a few years. I would also like at least 16GB RAM. I also enjoy how quiet the Khuler is, so if there is a quiet cooling system it would be prefered.

I have 5 internal SATA drives, so 6+ ports on the motherboard and a case with enough slots would be needed (3 HDD, 1 SSD, 1 Bluray.

If there is room in the budget I also want to upgrade my 64GB SSD to 250GB, but I can do that later if needed.

Any advice would be appreciated.

I'm looking to upgrade/replace my 5 year old build. Hoping to spend <$1100 CDN, but I can go over that if needed. I exclusively use linux, so I'm looking for hardware with good support. I currently have
[list]
[*] AMD FX8350 (+Antec Khuler 620)
[*] ASUS GTX 570
[*] 2x4GB RAM
[*] Antec 550W PSU (I think? Can't see the label without taking it out)
[*] Coolermaster HAF 922
[/list]

I'm looking to upgrade the CPU/Motherboard, GPU, RAM, PSU if needed, and case.

I'd like 120+ FPS in csgo for at least a few years. I would also like at least 16GB RAM. I also enjoy how quiet the Khuler is, so if there is a quiet cooling system it would be prefered.

I have 5 internal SATA drives, so 6+ ports on the motherboard and a case with enough slots would be needed (3 HDD, 1 SSD, 1 Bluray.

If there is room in the budget I also want to upgrade my 64GB SSD to 250GB, but I can do that later if needed.

Any advice would be appreciated.
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#2612
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alright, will have 1100€ by the beginning of december, looking to get a brand new build, meaning all new parts without scavanging parts out of my old pc. priority is being able to run tf2 as good as possible. I'd also love to run overwatch above 144 frames at native res (1920 x 1080) and play more recently released games at a stable framerate. willing to go all out with the 1100. got all the peripherals i need. a little side wish id have would be silent cooling or an ssd, but it defenetly isnt necessary to be part of the build. on a side note, id have to buy a windows license or pirate it, yes?

setsul please help ^_^

alright, will have 1100€ by the beginning of december, looking to get a brand new build, meaning all new parts without scavanging parts out of my old pc. priority is being able to run tf2 as good as possible. I'd also love to run overwatch above 144 frames at native res (1920 x 1080) and play more recently released games at a stable framerate. willing to go all out with the 1100. got all the peripherals i need. a little side wish id have would be silent cooling or an ssd, but it defenetly isnt necessary to be part of the build. on a side note, id have to buy a windows license or pirate it, yes?

setsul please help ^_^
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#2613
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So apparently everyone posted on November the first, when I planned on being back, but wasn't.
Forgot to check the thread.

#2609
Don't go by brands.

iridescentFUZZEDIT: I was looking at something like a coffee lake i7, Z370 Gigabyte board, 16GB of Gskill RAM, GTX 1060 and a Seasonic PSU.

That is quite unspecific. You've basically decided on nothing except brands.

Shop link/price comparision site?

#2610
Sorry, I'm back now.

#2611

dangoI'm looking to upgrade the CPU/Motherboard, GPU, RAM, PSU if needed, and case.

You want to replace everything except the HDDs and SSD and maybe PSU/case, so might as well go with a complete build and find another use for or sell the old one.
I'll make a partlist later today.

#2612
I'll do that build in the week that you're buying the parts so the prices are up to date.
Overclocking yes/no?
Should all be doable with your budget, don't worry.
If you want windows then generally you need to acquire windows somehow.

So apparently everyone posted on November the first, when I planned on being back, but wasn't.
Forgot to check the thread.

#2609
Don't go by brands.
[quote=iridescentFUZZ]EDIT: I was looking at something like a coffee lake i7, Z370 Gigabyte board, 16GB of Gskill RAM, GTX 1060 and a Seasonic PSU.[/quote]
That is quite unspecific. You've basically decided on nothing except brands.

Shop link/price comparision site?

#2610
Sorry, I'm back now.

#2611
[quote=dango]
I'm looking to upgrade the CPU/Motherboard, GPU, RAM, PSU if needed, and case.[/quote]
You want to replace everything except the HDDs and SSD and maybe PSU/case, so might as well go with a complete build and find another use for or sell the old one.
I'll make a partlist later today.

#2612
I'll do that build in the week that you're buying the parts so the prices are up to date.
Overclocking yes/no?
Should all be doable with your budget, don't worry.
If you want windows then generally you need to acquire windows somehow.
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#2614
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Setsul#2612
I'll do that build in the week that you're buying the parts so the prices are up to date.
Overclocking yes/no?
Should all be doable with your budget, don't worry.
If you want windows then generally you need to acquire windows somehow.

id love to overclock and get the maximum out of the build. however, i dont have any experience with overclocking
edit: is it expensive to pay for the building service? i think id be overwhelmed and fuck something up building up the pc in person

[quote=Setsul]
#2612
I'll do that build in the week that you're buying the parts so the prices are up to date.
Overclocking yes/no?
Should all be doable with your budget, don't worry.
If you want windows then generally you need to acquire windows somehow.[/quote]

id love to overclock and get the maximum out of the build. however, i dont have any experience with overclocking
edit: is it expensive to pay for the building service? i think id be overwhelmed and fuck something up building up the pc in person
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#2615
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#2616
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earlieSetsul#2612
I'll do that build in the week that you're buying the parts so the prices are up to date.
Overclocking yes/no?
Should all be doable with your budget, don't worry.
If you want windows then generally you need to acquire windows somehow.

id love to overclock and get the maximum out of the build. however, i dont have any experience with overclocking
edit: is it expensive to pay for the building service? i think id be overwhelmed and fuck something up building up the pc in person

Honestly it's really quite simple to build a PC, loads of it is pretty obvious with how each part matches to the mobo/PSU. Plus there's a billion tutorials on youtube for building.

[quote=earlie][quote=Setsul]
#2612
I'll do that build in the week that you're buying the parts so the prices are up to date.
Overclocking yes/no?
Should all be doable with your budget, don't worry.
If you want windows then generally you need to acquire windows somehow.[/quote]

id love to overclock and get the maximum out of the build. however, i dont have any experience with overclocking
edit: is it expensive to pay for the building service? i think id be overwhelmed and fuck something up building up the pc in person[/quote]

Honestly it's really quite simple to build a PC, loads of it is pretty obvious with how each part matches to the mobo/PSU. Plus there's a billion tutorials on youtube for building.
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#2617
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_KermitHonestly it's really quite simple to build a PC, loads of it is pretty obvious with how each part matches to the mobo/PSU. Plus there's a billion tutorials on youtube for building.

i mean if it isnt too expensive id still go for the service because im really anxious of doing something wrong. i guess i could give it a try tho

[quote=_Kermit]
Honestly it's really quite simple to build a PC, loads of it is pretty obvious with how each part matches to the mobo/PSU. Plus there's a billion tutorials on youtube for building.[/quote]
i mean if it isnt too expensive id still go for the service because im really anxious of doing something wrong. i guess i could give it a try tho
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#2618
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#2611
Looks like you can actually afford multiple options, so some further questions:
Overclocking yes/no?
4 cores or would you benefit from having more?

#2614/#2617
For TF2 you want Coffee Lake so overclocking isn't that much more expensive (only oc chipset available atm), but it does add a bit of cost, so keep that in mind. That said it's not that difficult either.
Price for building depends on where you buy the parts. There is also the indirect cost of not being able to buy each part wherever it's cheapest.
Building a pc is pretty much like expensive LEGO. Wait, LEGO is already expensive so it's exactly like LEGO. Read the manual and follow the steps. If it fits, it fits, if you'd have to use a hammer to make it fit, then don't.

#2615
Yes.

#2611
Looks like you can actually afford multiple options, so some further questions:
Overclocking yes/no?
4 cores or would you benefit from having more?

#2614/#2617
For TF2 you want Coffee Lake so overclocking isn't that much more expensive (only oc chipset available atm), but it does add a bit of cost, so keep that in mind. That said it's not that difficult either.
Price for building depends on where you buy the parts. There is also the indirect cost of not being able to buy each part wherever it's cheapest.
Building a pc is pretty much like expensive LEGO. Wait, LEGO is already expensive so it's exactly like LEGO. Read the manual and follow the steps. If it fits, it fits, if you'd have to use a hammer to make it fit, then don't.

#2615
Yes.
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#2619
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PREVIOUS BUILD:
Intel Core i5-6500: http://amzn.to/1mrq2fr
MSI Radeon R9 390: http://amzn.to/1ODPz1i
MSI Z170A PC MATE: http://amzn.to/1mwHFdf
NZXT S340: http://amzn.to/1RhDrlo
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4: http://amzn.to/1RhDwFN
250GB Crucial BX100: http://amzn.to/1JmrJVs
1TB WD Blue: http://amzn.to/1OrKKpG
600W Corsair CX600: http://amzn.to/1R43lKJ

My previous build's motherboards capacitor burnt out leaving the computer useless. I habe the option of replacing motherboard or reimbursed for the whole computer and making a new one.

Shouls I just replace motherboard or completely change the computer and if so any suggestions on what computer parts to change to?
Thanks

PREVIOUS BUILD:
Intel Core i5-6500: http://amzn.to/1mrq2fr
MSI Radeon R9 390: http://amzn.to/1ODPz1i
MSI Z170A PC MATE: http://amzn.to/1mwHFdf
NZXT S340: http://amzn.to/1RhDrlo
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4: http://amzn.to/1RhDwFN
250GB Crucial BX100: http://amzn.to/1JmrJVs
1TB WD Blue: http://amzn.to/1OrKKpG
600W Corsair CX600: http://amzn.to/1R43lKJ

My previous build's motherboards capacitor burnt out leaving the computer useless. I habe the option of replacing motherboard or reimbursed for the whole computer and making a new one.

Shouls I just replace motherboard or completely change the computer and if so any suggestions on what computer parts to change to?
Thanks
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#2620
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im building a new pc with a fairly big budget but i still wanna cut down on the price as much as i can while not giving up the 1080 and having an intel processor
i mainly wanna play tf2, cs, ow, the witcher 3 and other similar AAA titles sooooo

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BXTZtJ

could anyone please tell me what i could change on this for it to be more cost effective without sacrificing too much of the standard of performance that this build would provide?

im building a new pc with a fairly big budget but i still wanna cut down on the price as much as i can while not giving up the 1080 and having an intel processor
i mainly wanna play tf2, cs, ow, the witcher 3 and other similar AAA titles sooooo

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BXTZtJ

could anyone please tell me what i could change on this for it to be more cost effective without sacrificing too much of the standard of performance that this build would provide?
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#2621
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#2620

Coffee lake does benefit a bit from high speed ram and has native support for up to 2666 Mhz so I'd aim to get at least that.

In my experience 120mm liquid coolers aren't really worth it, either up it to 240-280mm or just get a good air cooler from noctua or something.

I have a similar build w/ 8700k and 1080 with 3200 mhz ram and I get 300 constant fps in OW on high and 500-600 fps on CS if you want comparisons.

#2620

Coffee lake does benefit a bit from high speed ram and has native support for up to 2666 Mhz so I'd aim to get at least that.

In my experience 120mm liquid coolers aren't really worth it, either up it to 240-280mm or just get a good air cooler from noctua or something.

I have a similar build w/ 8700k and 1080 with 3200 mhz ram and I get 300 constant fps in OW on high and 500-600 fps on CS if you want comparisons.
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#2622
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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/protoxproto/saved/#view=TD4YrH

should i go with ryzen or coffee lake? is a ryzen 3 1300x overclocked going to be good enough to keep csgo and tf2 on lowest settings above 200-300 fps on 1080p?

I don't want to go over $1200 CAD before tax but i still want a really solid build. if by any chance a similar build with intel is 100 dollars more i'd probably go for it given i've never had issues with intel in the past and have previously heard bad things about amd.

any suggestions?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/protoxproto/saved/#view=TD4YrH

should i go with ryzen or coffee lake? is a ryzen 3 1300x overclocked going to be good enough to keep csgo and tf2 on lowest settings above 200-300 fps on 1080p?

I don't want to go over $1200 CAD before tax but i still want a really solid build. if by any chance a similar build with intel is 100 dollars more i'd probably go for it given i've never had issues with intel in the past and have previously heard bad things about amd.

any suggestions?
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#2623
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I'm looking to build a gaming system. I need a build within grounds of a $2200~ AUD budget, 250GB SSD is good no need for a HDD, 144hz monitor (BenQ 24’), don’t care about noise of the build, I may overclock although I'm not sure of the benefits involved. Games typically run would be TF2, PUBG, Quake Champions. Thanks.

I'm looking to build a gaming system. I need a build within grounds of a $2200~ AUD budget, 250GB SSD is good no need for a HDD, 144hz monitor (BenQ 24’), don’t care about noise of the build, I may overclock although I'm not sure of the benefits involved. Games typically run would be TF2, PUBG, Quake Champions. Thanks.
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#2624
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#2619
If you want to abuse the system get reimbursed, buy a new mobo and sell the old build or keep the difference.
That said it's a good build so I don't see the need for a new one.

#2620
Isn't this like the fifth build you've planned, without ever actually building anything?

Also don't want to change the GPU, you chose the cheapest RAM already (2400 CL17 is shit btw), the 3rd cheapest mobo and while aios are shit (single fan space radiator aios are especially pointless) if you want an aftermarket cooler it won't be that much cheaper either way, so I think you're smart enough to figure out via process of elimination which part is left to save money on.

#2621
Official RAM support is rather irrelevant with Z chipsets, since you're not locked to offficialy supported frequencies. And faster RAM is indeed a good thing. 2400 CL17 definitely isn't part of that category.
Even 240/280mm aios aren't worth it. Mostly because they're twice as expensive for the same performance as a good air cooler.

#2622
In this case probably Coffee Lake since an i3-8100 costs basically the same, but would be slightly faster. Same number of cores/threads too. Only a more expensive mobo because Intel hates you and still hasn't released anything cheaper than Z370 and switched pins to make Coffee Lake incompatible with 100/200 series chipsets and sockets.
If you're going to overclock might as well go for the 1200. Would get slightly hotter and consume a bit more power, but reach more or less the same frequency (give or take a few 25 MHz increments).
Yes.

Bulldozer (FX-xxxx series) was shit. Zen isn't, but at 4 cores / 4 threads Intel does offer slightly more performance (even if we do include an OC on the AMD side) at almost the same price (CPU the same, mobo more expensive). If you want to overclock or want/need more cores/threads however it does get much more expensive.

Faster SSD if you want: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam
Faster HDD: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/44Gj4D/seagate-barracuda-1tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm010
Not a fan of either the case or the monitor, but the former might be taste and the latter is due to budget constraints I guess.

I would avoid the CX 2017 series for now. No reviews and incredibly suspect.
1. Was supposed to be 80+ Silver. Didn't make it. It's an LLC half bridge design, which shouldn't struggle to reach Gold when done properly, let alone Silver. They were aiming for Silver and still failed, which doesn't inspire confidence.
2. It's dual sourced, usually a sign of trying to get your suppliers to drop their prices. Typically never done with PSUs because they wouldn't meet the same specifications.
3. It's not even the same design and one of them is a custom design because the OEM doesn't do complicated designs like LLC (go figure).
4. It's non-modular.
Combined with the fact that the CXM 2015 series was very good and modular this seems awfully like the "get the cheapest PSU you can find to replace a series with good reputation"-bait and switch they pulled before.

Also at the same price there are simply better options. Even the aforementioned CXM 2015 would wipe the floor with it if it weren't priced higher (that should give you pause too, if the predecessor offers more features and is more expensive).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($154.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($135.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($219.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.95 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($209.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
Monitor: Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($249.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $1243.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 09:40 EST-0500

Went with a µATX board so you'd have the option of getting a smaller case. Full ATX version is 5$ cheaper though.
Obviously optional SSD/HDD upgrades are possible and within your +100$ budget.
You can't afford overclocking (=8350K + cooler) because even without any upgrades and no cooler you'd already be over budget. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/WpwCjc

#2623
Sorry, I wrote something about #2608, but it got lost during reformating.
Overclocking -> more performance. Good idea with AMD, since Zen based CPUs all overclock similarly so you can save money by getting the cheapest with the number of cores/threads you want and overclocking it. Not so great with Intel since they'll let you pay for a more expensive CPU (slightly higher clocked though) without a cooler and a more expensive chipset on top of that, before you're even allowed to overclock. Still makes sense if you want the highest single threaded performance, doesn't make sense from a price to performance standpoint.
Set on BenQ? As usual, figure out if you want any features other than 144 Hz. Strobing/Lightboost, G-Sync/FreeSync or something simple like USB ports.
When are you going to build it?

#2619
If you want to abuse the system get reimbursed, buy a new mobo and sell the old build or keep the difference.
That said it's a good build so I don't see the need for a new one.

#2620
Isn't this like the fifth build you've planned, without ever actually building anything?

Also don't want to change the GPU, you chose the cheapest RAM already (2400 CL17 is shit btw), the 3rd cheapest mobo and while aios are shit (single fan space radiator aios are especially pointless) if you want an aftermarket cooler it won't be that much cheaper either way, so I think you're smart enough to figure out via process of elimination which part is left to save money on.

#2621
Official RAM support is rather irrelevant with Z chipsets, since you're not locked to offficialy supported frequencies. And faster RAM is indeed a good thing. 2400 CL17 definitely isn't part of that category.
Even 240/280mm aios aren't worth it. Mostly because they're twice as expensive for the same performance as a good air cooler.

#2622
In this case probably Coffee Lake since an i3-8100 costs basically the same, but would be slightly faster. Same number of cores/threads too. Only a more expensive mobo because Intel hates you and still hasn't released anything cheaper than Z370 and switched pins to make Coffee Lake incompatible with 100/200 series chipsets and sockets.
If you're going to overclock might as well go for the 1200. Would get slightly hotter and consume a bit more power, but reach more or less the same frequency (give or take a few 25 MHz increments).
Yes.

Bulldozer (FX-xxxx series) was shit. Zen isn't, but at 4 cores / 4 threads Intel does offer slightly more performance (even if we do include an OC on the AMD side) at almost the same price (CPU the same, mobo more expensive). If you want to overclock or want/need more cores/threads however it does get much more expensive.

Faster SSD if you want: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam
Faster HDD: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/44Gj4D/seagate-barracuda-1tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm010
Not a fan of either the case or the monitor, but the former might be taste and the latter is due to budget constraints I guess.

I would avoid the CX 2017 series for now. No reviews and incredibly suspect.
1. Was supposed to be 80+ Silver. Didn't make it. It's an LLC half bridge design, which shouldn't struggle to reach Gold when done properly, let alone Silver. They were aiming for Silver and still failed, which doesn't inspire confidence.
2. It's dual sourced, usually a sign of trying to get your suppliers to drop their prices. Typically never done with PSUs because they wouldn't meet the same specifications.
3. It's not even the same design and one of them is a custom design because the OEM doesn't do complicated designs like LLC (go figure).
4. It's non-modular.
Combined with the fact that the CXM 2015 series was very good and modular this seems awfully like the "get the cheapest PSU you can find to replace a series with good reputation"-bait and switch they pulled before.

Also at the same price there are simply better options. Even the aforementioned CXM 2015 would wipe the floor with it if it weren't priced higher (that should give you pause too, if the predecessor offers more features and is more expensive).

[url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/y4TjtJ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/y4TjtJ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/YqKhP6/intel-core-i3-8100-36ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i38100]Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($154.99 @ Memory Express)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vys8TW/asrock-z370m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370m-pro4]ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($135.00 @ Vuugo)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15]Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] ($219.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KXkwrH/crucial-mx300-275gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct275mx300ssd4]Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive[/url] ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex]Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($54.95 @ Vuugo)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/x7s8TW/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-video-card-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-oc]MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card[/url] ($209.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3MPfrH/deepcool-case-tesseractsw]Deepcool - TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($44.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1]EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PmyFf7/acer-monitor-umfg6aab01]Acer - GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor[/url] ($249.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Total:[/b] $1243.88
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 09:40 EST-0500[/i]

Went with a µATX board so you'd have the option of getting a smaller case. Full ATX version is 5$ cheaper though.
Obviously optional SSD/HDD upgrades are possible and within your +100$ budget.
You can't afford overclocking (=8350K + cooler) because even without any upgrades and no cooler you'd already be over budget. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/WpwCjc

#2623
Sorry, I wrote something about #2608, but it got lost during reformating.
Overclocking -> more performance. Good idea with AMD, since Zen based CPUs all overclock similarly so you can save money by getting the cheapest with the number of cores/threads you want and overclocking it. Not so great with Intel since they'll let you pay for a more expensive CPU (slightly higher clocked though) without a cooler and a more expensive chipset on top of that, before you're even allowed to overclock. Still makes sense if you want the highest single threaded performance, doesn't make sense from a price to performance standpoint.
Set on BenQ? As usual, figure out if you want any features other than 144 Hz. Strobing/Lightboost, G-Sync/FreeSync or something simple like USB ports.
When are you going to build it?
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#2625
1 Frags +

Setsul you are a fucking legend! I made some changes that you suggested and picked a different case that i think is smaller(?) and better.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/b68z2R

Just to make sure in your post you are suggesting that an overclocked ryzen 3 1300x to say ~4.00ghz would still be outperformed by a i3-8100 with stock cooling correct? Will there likely be decent upgrade options with this motherboard for a better cpu in a year or two when im done school and making real money?

As for the monitor, im not very picky when it comes to colour accuracy, dead pixels etc. As long as this would perform the same as the asus or benq 144hz 1ms that most people use ill go for this monitor as it is the cheapest. I'll most likely buy another of the same monitor a few months down the road... can i run both monitors at 144hz? how would that work having only 1 displayport on the graphics card? would i run my second monitor that i wouldn't play games on from hdmi?

one more question, on the newegg page for the motherboard it says this.
does this mean that this motherboard or cpu will not work with the DDR4-3000 memory i have chosen?

Thanks in advance!

Setsul you are a fucking legend! I made some changes that you suggested and picked a different case that i think is smaller(?) and better.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/b68z2R

Just to make sure in your post you are suggesting that an overclocked ryzen 3 1300x to say ~4.00ghz would still be outperformed by a i3-8100 with stock cooling correct? Will there likely be decent upgrade options with this motherboard for a better cpu in a year or two when im done school and making real money?

As for the monitor, im not very picky when it comes to colour accuracy, dead pixels etc. As long as this would perform the same as the asus or benq 144hz 1ms that most people use ill go for this monitor as it is the cheapest. I'll most likely buy another of the same monitor a few months down the road... can i run both monitors at 144hz? how would that work having only 1 displayport on the graphics card? would i run my second monitor that i wouldn't play games on from hdmi?

one more question, on the newegg page for the motherboard it says [url=https://i.gyazo.com/8e070f3ccc60aec4ee2bd16ff10d6f7d.png]this.[/url]
does this mean that this motherboard or cpu will not work with the DDR4-3000 memory i have chosen?

Thanks in advance!
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#2626
2 Frags +

88R: 198x378x440mm
Tesseract: 210x452x472mm
Not that much smaller, definitely better though.
There are many options though. Just black or anything special? Window yes/no?

Yes, in games the 8100 should still be faster. 3.9-4.0 is about the highest that you'd get with a 1200/1300X. How much of a difference it'd be depends a bit on the RAM and the game.
Sadly Intel will probably pull some bullshit again (like making Coffe Lake incompatible and only releasing Z370 so you have to pay extra even if you don't want to overclock), so I wouldn't count on the new 8 cores being compatible with anything but Z390, but on the other hand since you'll have Z370 anyway you could get a used 8350K/8600K/8700K and overclock it. Or just a non-K version, doesn't matter. Not sure if you'll actually need it. I mean for anything but TF2 you're limited by the GPU anyway so replacing that makes more sense.

Yeah, should be fine in that case. You can also obviously just get a better monitor as second monitor if it turns out that you do mind its shortcomings.
DVI Dual Link also supports 144 Hz, while most monitors do not support 144 Hz via HDMI. Most 144 Hz monitors come with a DVI cable for that reason.

It says "DDR4-4300+(OC)*/4266(OC)/..."
"*8th Gen Intel CPU supports DDR4 up to 2666."
Since that mobo only supports "8th Gen Intel CPU" that doesn't seem to make sense, right?
Well JEDEC only specifies DDR4 up to 3200 and Intel officially only supports up to 2666. Of course you can overclock (OC) beyond that. No one wants to manually set a million DDR4 timings though so there are XMP profiles that do it for you, in fact everything beyond 3000 MHz or 1.2V (the kit you selected needs 1.35V) uses XMP profiles because the JEDEC standard does not allow it. So all these kits are meant to run at what is officially considered an overclock by JEDEC and Intel. Guess who developed standardizes the XMP profiles? Intel.
Welcome to the game of "we don't officially support this so we can't be sued if it doesn't work, but we're going to block it anyway on all chipset except the most expensive, where we allow profiles we developed to go beyond that, but don't get confused, we still absolutely don't condone or even support this, even though we're going to let you pay for it not being blocked."
So yes, it will work, but counts as overclocking, just like -K CPUs are overclockable but warranty doesn't cover overclocking because it's EVIL.

88R: 198x378x440mm
Tesseract: 210x452x472mm
Not that much smaller, definitely better though.
There are many options though. Just black or anything special? Window yes/no?

Yes, in games the 8100 should still be faster. 3.9-4.0 is about the highest that you'd get with a 1200/1300X. How much of a difference it'd be depends a bit on the RAM and the game.
Sadly Intel will probably pull some bullshit again (like making Coffe Lake incompatible and only releasing Z370 so you have to pay extra even if you don't want to overclock), so I wouldn't count on the new 8 cores being compatible with anything but Z390, but on the other hand since you'll have Z370 anyway you could get a used 8350K/8600K/8700K and overclock it. Or just a non-K version, doesn't matter. Not sure if you'll actually need it. I mean for anything but TF2 you're limited by the GPU anyway so replacing that makes more sense.

Yeah, should be fine in that case. You can also obviously just get a better monitor as second monitor if it turns out that you do mind its shortcomings.
DVI Dual Link also supports 144 Hz, while most monitors do not support 144 Hz via HDMI. Most 144 Hz monitors come with a DVI cable for that reason.

It says "DDR4-4300+(OC)*/4266(OC)/..."
"*8th Gen Intel CPU supports DDR4 up to 2666."
Since that mobo only supports "8th Gen Intel CPU" that doesn't seem to make sense, right?
Well JEDEC only specifies DDR4 up to 3200 and Intel officially only supports up to 2666. Of course you can overclock (OC) beyond that. No one wants to manually set a million DDR4 timings though so there are XMP profiles that do it for you, in fact everything beyond 3000 MHz or 1.2V (the kit you selected needs 1.35V) uses XMP profiles because the JEDEC standard does not allow it. So all these kits are meant to run at what is officially considered an overclock by JEDEC and Intel. Guess who developed standardizes the XMP profiles? Intel.
Welcome to the game of "we don't officially support this so we can't be sued if it doesn't work, but we're going to block it anyway on all chipset except the most expensive, where we allow profiles we developed to go beyond that, but don't get confused, we still absolutely don't condone or even support this, even though we're going to let you pay for it not being blocked."
So yes, it will work, but counts as overclocking, just like -K CPUs are overclockable but warranty doesn't cover overclocking because it's EVIL.
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#2627
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So I very quickly made a part list, but it's difficult to find accurate prices for stuff because online prices are nonsense, and retail rates are a good deal lower.

Part list

From a little research, I found I will probably need an M.2 drive for active projects, especially if I want to work real time on 4K video. The reason for the NVIDIA card is the fact that CUDA support within 3D and rendering applications is far better than OpenCL. Beyond that, 16GB of RAM in two 8GB modules because I can't really see myself requiring anything more than 32GB, and having two modules means if one fails I can still at the very least use my computer while getting the other replaced. Still not sure about overclocking, but I'm considering it now. Completely clueless about cooler, and for the cabinet I'm looking for something that's not too big, and something that might have filters on the fan exhausts. Issue with the cabinet again is availability.

So I very quickly made a part list, but it's difficult to find accurate prices for stuff because online prices are nonsense, and retail rates are a good deal lower.

[url=https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/rDP93F]Part list[/url]

From a little research, I found I will probably need an M.2 drive for active projects, especially if I want to work real time on 4K video. The reason for the NVIDIA card is the fact that CUDA support within 3D and rendering applications is far better than OpenCL. Beyond that, 16GB of RAM in two 8GB modules because I can't really see myself requiring anything more than 32GB, and having two modules means if one fails I can still at the very least use my computer while getting the other replaced. Still not sure about overclocking, but I'm considering it now. Completely clueless about cooler, and for the cabinet I'm looking for something that's not too big, and something that might have filters on the fan exhausts. Issue with the cabinet again is availability.
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#2628
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Setsul#2611
Looks like you can actually afford multiple options, so some further questions:
Overclocking yes/no?
4 cores or would you benefit from having more?

Overclocking would be preferred. Ived had 8 cores for years now, but as far as I know there is still very few applications where that is an advantage. So I'm sure 4 would be fine.

[quote=Setsul]#2611
Looks like you can actually afford multiple options, so some further questions:
Overclocking yes/no?
4 cores or would you benefit from having more?[/quote]
Overclocking would be preferred. Ived had 8 cores for years now, but as far as I know there is still very few applications where that is an advantage. So I'm sure 4 would be fine.
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#2629
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#2627
What is your budget in INR?

iridescentFUZZI feel like I won't need to/don't want to overclock even 2-3 years down the line, plus I imagine that will reduce my build cost by a decent amount.

You went with an unlocked CPU + mobo + cooler anyway. That seems like a strange way of saving money.

I'm pretty sure Zen would be cheaper if you want more than 4 cores for rendering.

#2628
I would not call the FX-8350 an 8 core, but indeed for games and general desktop usage 4 cores would be enough. Rendering and stuff like that is what really benefits from having more cores.

Still multiple options.
Base would be this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.75 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($91.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($192.75 @ Vuugo)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($350.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($45.00 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
Total: $1042.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 16:33 EST-0500

You could obviously drop the SSD if you want/need to save money.
Also if you are concerned about there only being 6 SATA ports in total you could switch to an M.2 SSD to save one.

So this would be 4 cores / 4 threads, including overclocking. You could get a Ryzen 5 1400 instead to get 4 cores / 8 threads or an 1500X for 4c/8t but 16 instead of 8MB L3 cache though at that point you might as well spend the 35$ more to get a 1600 and get 2 extra cores as well and drop the cooler or SSD to stay within budget.

Now the main problem is that even overclocked in any program that use 4 or fewer threads neither of would be any faster than this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($152.99 @ PC Canada)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.75 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($135.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($192.75 @ Vuugo)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($350.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($45.00 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
Total: $1109.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 16:39 EST-0500
(cooler is unecessary/overkill, but I left it in anyway for comparision purposes)
And the i3-8100 can't even be overclocked.
So the 1400/1500X don't make much sense and with your type of usage the 1600 will never be able to play to its strengths either.
The 1200 based build would be cheaper, especially if you just kept the stock cooler, which really is quite decent.
In this case the overclocking would be done to save money (same performance as 1300X, same performance in most cases as 1500X etc).

Now if you wanted to overclock for performance and the i3-8100 isn't fast enough for you then your best option would be this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($231.99 @ PC Canada)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.75 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($135.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($192.75 @ Vuugo)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($350.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($45.00 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
Total: $1188.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 16:43 EST-0500
(SSD for comparision purposes, would have to be dropped to stay within budget)

#2627
What is your budget in INR?
[quote=iridescentFUZZ]I feel like I won't need to/don't want to overclock even 2-3 years down the line, plus I imagine that will reduce my build cost by a decent amount.[/quote]
You went with an unlocked CPU + mobo + cooler anyway. That seems like a strange way of saving money.

I'm pretty sure Zen would be cheaper if you want more than 4 cores for rendering.

#2628
I would not call the FX-8350 an 8 core, but indeed for games and general desktop usage 4 cores would be enough. Rendering and stuff like that is what really benefits from having more cores.

Still multiple options.
Base would be this:
[url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yPXFzM]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/yPXFzM/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/TX4NnQ/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-35ghz-quad-core-processor-yd1200bbaebox]AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($46.75 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/6T7CmG/gigabyte-ga-ab350m-gaming-3-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350m-gaming-3]Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard[/url] ($91.50 @ Vuugo)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DykwrH/kingston-memory-hx426c15fbk216]Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($192.75 @ Vuugo)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($121.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QVWrxr/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-amp-edition-video-card-zt-p10600b-10m]Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card[/url] ($350.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($45.00 @ Vuugo)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1]EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
[b]Total:[/b] $1042.96
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 16:33 EST-0500[/i]

You could obviously drop the SSD if you want/need to save money.
Also if you are concerned about there only being 6 SATA ports in total you could switch to an M.2 SSD to save one.

So this would be 4 cores / 4 threads, including overclocking. You could get a Ryzen 5 1400 instead to get 4 cores / 8 threads or an 1500X for 4c/8t but 16 instead of 8MB L3 cache though at that point you might as well spend the 35$ more to get a 1600 and get 2 extra cores as well and drop the cooler or SSD to stay within budget.

Now the main problem is that even overclocked in any program that use 4 or fewer threads neither of would be any faster than this:
[url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rQPYnn]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rQPYnn/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/YqKhP6/intel-core-i3-8100-36ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i38100]Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($152.99 @ PC Canada)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($46.75 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vys8TW/asrock-z370m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370m-pro4]ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($135.00 @ Vuugo)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DykwrH/kingston-memory-hx426c15fbk216]Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($192.75 @ Vuugo)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($121.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QVWrxr/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-amp-edition-video-card-zt-p10600b-10m]Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card[/url] ($350.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($45.00 @ Vuugo)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1]EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
[b]Total:[/b] $1109.46
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 16:39 EST-0500[/i]
(cooler is unecessary/overkill, but I left it in anyway for comparision purposes)
And the i3-8100 can't even be overclocked.
So the 1400/1500X don't make much sense and with your type of usage the 1600 will never be able to play to its strengths either.
The 1200 based build would be cheaper, especially if you just kept the stock cooler, which really is quite decent.
In this case the overclocking would be done to save money (same performance as 1300X, same performance in most cases as 1500X etc).

Now if you wanted to overclock for performance and the i3-8100 isn't fast enough for you then your best option would be this:
[url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mLcmYr]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mLcmYr/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k]Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($231.99 @ PC Canada)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($46.75 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vys8TW/asrock-z370m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370m-pro4]ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($135.00 @ Vuugo)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DykwrH/kingston-memory-hx426c15fbk216]Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($192.75 @ Vuugo)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($121.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QVWrxr/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-amp-edition-video-card-zt-p10600b-10m]Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card[/url] ($350.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($45.00 @ Vuugo)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XxvZxr/evga-b3-450w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-b3-0450-v1]EVGA - B3 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($63.99 @ PC Canada)
[b]Total:[/b] $1188.46
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-15 16:43 EST-0500[/i]
(SSD for comparision purposes, would have to be dropped to stay within budget)
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#2630
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My budget is approx INR 90,000-110,000. I'm considering the unlocked CPU combo for future-proofing if I overclock later, but that's where I'm confused; on whether or not that will be necessary. Also, I've been a bit behind the times on the latest hardware; by Zen do you mean Ryzen? I'm mainly avoiding AMD because I want to leave myself the option of a hassle free Hackintosh dual boot.

I'm a freelance designer/editor/digital artist and this is basically going to be my main workstation, so if it's worth the money I don't mind spending.

My budget is approx INR 90,000-110,000. I'm considering the unlocked CPU combo for future-proofing if I overclock later, but that's where I'm confused; on whether or not that will be necessary. Also, I've been a bit behind the times on the latest hardware; by Zen do you mean Ryzen? I'm mainly avoiding AMD because I want to leave myself the option of a hassle free Hackintosh dual boot.

I'm a freelance designer/editor/digital artist and this is basically going to be my main workstation, so if it's worth the money I don't mind spending.
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#2631
4 Frags +

Setsul what is your build?

Setsul what is your build?
2632
#2632
0 Frags +
Setsul#2619
Sorry, I wrote something about #2608, but it got lost during reformating.
Overclocking -> more performance. Good idea with AMD, since Zen based CPUs all overclock similarly so you can save money by getting the cheapest with the number of cores/threads you want and overclocking it. Not so great with Intel since they'll let you pay for a more expensive CPU (slightly higher clocked though) without a cooler and a more expensive chipset on top of that, before you're even allowed to overclock. Still makes sense if you want the highest single threaded performance, doesn't make sense from a price to performance standpoint.
Set on BenQ? As usual, figure out if you want any features other than 144 Hz. Strobing/Lightboost, G-Sync/FreeSync or something simple like USB ports.
When are you going to build it?

On the lines of overclocking, I’d like to follow it. To be quite honest with the CPU, I would prefer an Intel CPU (mainly because I’ve heard a lot of positive reviews).
Yes I am set on BenQ. Other than the 144hz I would like the monitor to have G-Sync.
I would like to build it sometime during December (preferably mid December).

[quote=Setsul]#2619
Sorry, I wrote something about #2608, but it got lost during reformating.
Overclocking -> more performance. Good idea with AMD, since Zen based CPUs all overclock similarly so you can save money by getting the cheapest with the number of cores/threads you want and overclocking it. Not so great with Intel since they'll let you pay for a more expensive CPU (slightly higher clocked though) without a cooler and a more expensive chipset on top of that, before you're even allowed to overclock. Still makes sense if you want the highest single threaded performance, doesn't make sense from a price to performance standpoint.
Set on BenQ? As usual, figure out if you want any features other than 144 Hz. Strobing/Lightboost, G-Sync/FreeSync or something simple like USB ports.
When are you going to build it?[/quote]

On the lines of overclocking, I’d like to follow it. To be quite honest with the CPU, I would prefer an Intel CPU (mainly because I’ve heard a lot of positive reviews).
Yes I am set on BenQ. Other than the 144hz I would like the monitor to have G-Sync.
I would like to build it sometime during December (preferably mid December).
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#2633
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#2630
That is not how future proofing works. In fact future proofing generally doesn't work.
Ryzen, Threadripper, EPYC, all Zen.
Apple may or may not switch to Zen next year. Lower price means higher margins for them (you didn't think they'd drop their prices, did you?) and for Mac Pros Zen is better suited because of lower power consumption, for MacBooks it'll be either an AMD APU or the recently announced Intel CPU/AMD GPU hybrid because Intel iGPUs still suck.

If worth the money means spending more money for the same performance, then yes, your build is worth it.

#2631
Still good old 4790K + 780 Ti.

#2632

ViviOn the lines of overclocking, I’d like to follow it.

I don't understand what you mean.

You might want to decide on a CPU based on price/performance, not because someone sometime said something or because you prefer the box to be a certain colour. I mean I'm not going to play the game where I recommend an Intel CPU and then you say "but I heard good things about another one, why not that one?".

BenQ only offers FreeSync or nothing. They made exactly one G-Sync monitor (XL2420G) and that's been out of production for a few years. You've still got enough time to try finding one (good luck) or figure out what's more important, BenQ, any sync at all or G-Sync specifically.

#2630
That is not how future proofing works. In fact future proofing generally doesn't work.
Ryzen, Threadripper, EPYC, all Zen.
Apple may or may not switch to Zen next year. Lower price means higher margins for them (you didn't think they'd drop their prices, did you?) and for Mac Pros Zen is better suited because of lower power consumption, for MacBooks it'll be either an AMD APU or the recently announced Intel CPU/AMD GPU hybrid because Intel iGPUs still suck.

If worth the money means spending more money for the same performance, then yes, your build is worth it.

#2631
Still good old 4790K + 780 Ti.

#2632
[quote=Vivi]On the lines of overclocking, I’d like to follow it.[/quote]
I don't understand what you mean.

You might want to decide on a CPU based on price/performance, not because someone sometime said something or because you prefer the box to be a certain colour. I mean I'm not going to play the game where I recommend an Intel CPU and then you say "but I heard good things about another one, why not that one?".

BenQ only offers FreeSync or nothing. They made exactly one G-Sync monitor (XL2420G) and that's been out of production for a few years. You've still got enough time to try finding one (good luck) or figure out what's more important, BenQ, any sync at all or G-Sync specifically.
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#2634
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Setsul#2630
#2632ViviOn the lines of overclocking, I’d like to follow it.I don't understand what you mean.

You might want to decide on a CPU based on price/performance, not because someone sometime said something or because you prefer the box to be a certain colour. I mean I'm not going to play the game where I recommend an Intel CPU and then you say "but I heard good things about another one, why not that one?".

BenQ only offers FreeSync or nothing. They made exactly one G-Sync monitor (XL2420G) and that's been out of production for a few years. You've still got enough time to try finding one (good luck) or figure out what's more important, BenQ, any sync at all or G-Sync specifically.

I would like to overclock.
A CPU that is based on performance would be preferred over a CPU that is more so price based.
I'll go for a FreeSync BenQ monitor then if that is the case.

[quote=Setsul]#2630
#2632
[quote=Vivi]On the lines of overclocking, I’d like to follow it.[/quote]
I don't understand what you mean.

You might want to decide on a CPU based on price/performance, not because someone sometime said something or because you prefer the box to be a certain colour. I mean I'm not going to play the game where I recommend an Intel CPU and then you say "but I heard good things about another one, why not that one?".

BenQ only offers FreeSync or nothing. They made exactly one G-Sync monitor (XL2420G) and that's been out of production for a few years. You've still got enough time to try finding one (good luck) or figure out what's more important, BenQ, any sync at all or G-Sync specifically.[/quote]

I would like to overclock.
A CPU that is based on performance would be preferred over a CPU that is more so price based.
I'll go for a FreeSync BenQ monitor then if that is the case.
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#2635
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Now that's something I can work with.

Onto the next problem:
There are no BenQ 144 Hz 24" FreeSync monitors. Your options are 24.5" 240 Hz, 27" 144 Hz and 27" 240 Hz although the XL2740 doesn't seem to be available in Australia yet so it's not an option for you.
That leaves us with the following three, sorted by price:
XL2540, 24.5", 240 Hz, 1080p, ~650$ http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=158052
XL2730, 27", 144 Hz, 1440p, ~750$ http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=157782
XL2546, 24.5", 240 Hz, 1080p, ~780$ http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=159898
The difference between the XL2730 and the others should be obvious.
The XL2540 and XL2546 differ only in the firmware version. The XL2540 ships with BenQ Motion Blur Reduction (aka Lightboost aka strobing) disabled by default and does not support BMBR and FreeSync at the same time. The XL2546 ships with BMBR enabled by default (except it's rebranded as DyAc) and does allow FreeSync to be used at the same time. Yes, 130$ for a newer firmware is a rip off.

The rest of the build depends on which monitor you choose (aforementioned 130$ difference), this would be the baseline:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($245.00 @ Shopping Express)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z370M D3H (rev. 1.0) Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($181.50 @ Skycomp Technology)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($259.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($121.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card ($409.00 @ Umart)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($58.28 @ Skycomp Technology)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.00 @ Shopping Express)
Total: $1406.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-17 02:17 AEDT+1100

Now that's something I can work with.

Onto the next problem:
There are no BenQ 144 Hz 24" FreeSync monitors. Your options are 24.5" 240 Hz, 27" 144 Hz and 27" 240 Hz although the XL2740 doesn't seem to be available in Australia yet so it's not an option for you.
That leaves us with the following three, sorted by price:
XL2540, 24.5", 240 Hz, 1080p, ~650$ http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=158052
XL2730, 27", 144 Hz, 1440p, ~750$ http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=157782
XL2546, 24.5", 240 Hz, 1080p, ~780$ http://ijk.com.au/branch/ijk/product_info.php?products_id=159898
The difference between the XL2730 and the others should be obvious.
The XL2540 and XL2546 differ only in the firmware version. The XL2540 ships with BenQ Motion Blur Reduction (aka Lightboost aka strobing) disabled by default and does not support BMBR and FreeSync at the same time. The XL2546 ships with BMBR enabled by default (except it's rebranded as DyAc) and does allow FreeSync to be used at the same time. Yes, 130$ for a newer firmware is a rip off.

The rest of the build depends on which monitor you choose (aforementioned 130$ difference), this would be the baseline:
[url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/C46LtJ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/C46LtJ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k]Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($245.00 @ Shopping Express)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($55.00 @ PCCaseGear)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/wZgPxr/gigabyte-z370m-d3h-rev-10-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370m-d3h-rev-10]Gigabyte - Z370M D3H (rev. 1.0) Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($181.50 @ Skycomp Technology)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/VKdFf7/team-dark-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tdged416g3000hc16cdc01]Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] ($259.00 @ PCCaseGear)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($121.00 @ Shopping Express)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/KQQRsY/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gaming-8g-video-card-gv-rx580gaming-8gd]Gigabyte - Radeon RX 580 8GB Gaming 8G Video Card[/url] ($409.00 @ Umart)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($58.28 @ Skycomp Technology)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($78.00 @ Shopping Express)
[b]Total:[/b] $1406.78
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-17 02:17 AEDT+1100[/i]
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#2636
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Setsul#2627
Total: $1042.96
Total: $1109.46
Total: $1188.46
(SSD for comparision purposes, would have to be dropped to stay within budget)

I actually ended up having to buy a new SSD to replace my old one shortly after I made my post. Sorry, I should have edited that in. However, I'm still willing to spend ~$1100 on the remaining stuff. Where would it make most sense to budget the extra $120 that you currently have on the SSD?

Thanks for your time Setsul.

[quote=Setsul]#2627
[b]Total:[/b] $1042.96
[b]Total:[/b] $1109.46
[b]Total:[/b] $1188.46
(SSD for comparision purposes, would have to be dropped to stay within budget)[/quote]

I actually ended up having to buy a new SSD to replace my old one shortly after I made my post. Sorry, I should have edited that in. However, I'm still willing to spend ~$1100 on the remaining stuff. Where would it make most sense to budget the extra $120 that you currently have on the SSD?

Thanks for your time Setsul.
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#2637
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Well you can't afford a better CPU or GPU so basically faster RAM (e.g. something like this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DHPzK8/team-vulcan-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tlgd416g3000hc16cdc01 ) or a better cooler (depends on the case you end up choosing).

Well you can't afford a better CPU or GPU so basically faster RAM (e.g. something like this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DHPzK8/team-vulcan-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tlgd416g3000hc16cdc01 ) or a better cooler (depends on the case you end up choosing).
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#2638
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How about putting it into a full size motherboard? In which case I could reuse my current case for the time being. With the current board I would need to get a USB dongle and I'd be concerned about space in the case.

Edit: I'm thinking of the 3rd build btw.

How about putting it into a full size motherboard? In which case I could reuse my current case for the time being. With the current board I would need to get a USB dongle and I'd be concerned about space in the case.

Edit: I'm thinking of the 3rd build btw.
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#2639
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Yeah, forgot to mention that, obviously to use up the 1100$ 3rd build + RAM or cooler.
Why would you need a USB dongle?
You can always put a µATX mobo in a full ATX case, but not the other way around.
In this particular case however the full ATX version of the mobo happens to be cheaper right now, which is unusual.

Yeah, forgot to mention that, obviously to use up the 1100$ 3rd build + RAM or cooler.
Why would you need a USB dongle?
You can always put a µATX mobo in a full ATX case, but not the other way around.
In this particular case however the full ATX version of the mobo happens to be cheaper right now, which is unusual.
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#2640
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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($219.69 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler ($59.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($41.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $917.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-18 02:25 EST-0500

I'm considering getting this build and then overclocking cpu to 4.0ghz. Is my motherboard, cpu cooler and power supply strong enough to do so? Also would this pc be better than this one:
Intel Core i5-6500: http://amzn.to/1mrq2fr
MSI Radeon R9 390: http://amzn.to/1ODPz1i
MSI Z170A PC MATE: http://amzn.to/1mwHFdf
NZXT S340: http://amzn.to/1RhDrlo
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4: http://amzn.to/1RhDwFN
250GB Crucial BX100: http://amzn.to/1JmrJVs
1TB WD Blue: http://amzn.to/1OrKKpG
600W Corsair CX600: http://amzn.to/1R43lKJ

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($219.69 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S SE-AM4 CPU Cooler ($59.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($102.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($41.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card
Case: NZXT - S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($19.50 @ Newegg)
Total: $917.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-18 02:25 EST-0500

I'm considering getting this build and then overclocking cpu to 4.0ghz. Is my motherboard, cpu cooler and power supply strong enough to do so? Also would this pc be better than this one:
Intel Core i5-6500: http://amzn.to/1mrq2fr
MSI Radeon R9 390: http://amzn.to/1ODPz1i
MSI Z170A PC MATE: http://amzn.to/1mwHFdf
NZXT S340: http://amzn.to/1RhDrlo
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4: http://amzn.to/1RhDwFN
250GB Crucial BX100: http://amzn.to/1JmrJVs
1TB WD Blue: http://amzn.to/1OrKKpG
600W Corsair CX600: http://amzn.to/1R43lKJ
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