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2701
#2701
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#2698
Yes, but considering the expected lifespan of a CPU at stock clocks is >10 years that shouldn't be a problem. Also apart from really high voltages that just kill it instantly the main effect is degradation, needing more voltage for the same clockrate. Which of course can be easily fixed by either lowering the overclock once it gets unstable after a few years or by upping the voltage a bit (which will speed the process up marginally).

Mobo and RAM are actually ok-ish (could be better, RAM probably not the best timings, but neither actually bad).
PSU is cheap low end 80+ (not even 80+ Bronze, just 80+). All assuming that steam profile you found is actually that pre-built, but the case doesn't match.
I'd actually argue that they cut corners on the CPU and GPU too. Lowest clocked i5 isn't really what you want for games since you're paying almost the same as for a faster i5, but depending on the game it might actually be slower than a much cheaper i3. And you really don't think the fact that the MSI Armor 4GB is the cheapest RX 580 is a coincidence? Especially with 4GB a higher clocked RX 570 would be more or less the same speed but significantly cheaper. Not so much cutting corners to get the same performance at the cost of lower quality, but to get the impression of higher performance at the lowest cost. RX 580 > RX 570 and i5 > i3 seems obvious, right?

Depending on how much you pay for windows it would cost more or less the same, with more work for you if you build it yourself. So you're definitely not getting ripped off.
The second problem of pre-builts however is do you really want/need those parts? If you want a better mouse and a mechanical keyboard then those included are of essentially no value to you.

Anyway there's multiple options:
1. The pre-built. Would just about do what you want. Maybe add an SSD. Replacing the PSU would add cost so building with the same specs should be cheaper.
2. Building with minor improvements (SSD + maybe different CPU/GPU).
3. Building with major improvements. Do you need a new monitor if you stick with 60Hz for now? Do you need SSD+HDD or can you get away with just an SSD?

Also can you get windows via school/college/university?

#2699
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($218.77 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($145.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.56 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Titanium Video Card ($459.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1096.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-08 07:40 EST-0500

Get any case you want.
If you insist on getting an aftermarket CPU cooler you can go for an i3-8350K + Z370 mobo. Due to only Z370 supporting it, it'll be slightly more expensive (albeit slightly faster as well) even though the 8350K is cheaper. The main difference is that 8350K doesn't come with a cooler so the end result would be significantly more expensive, but if you're buying one anyway then you might as well take that little bit of extra performance and the option of overclocking. Usually K CPU + Z mobo when you're not overclocking isn't worth it, but in this case if you buy a cooler anyway it's only a 10$ difference with a minor performance improvement, so definitely worth considering if only for the resale value.

#2698
Yes, but considering the expected lifespan of a CPU at stock clocks is >10 years that shouldn't be a problem. Also apart from really high voltages that just kill it instantly the main effect is degradation, needing more voltage for the same clockrate. Which of course can be easily fixed by either lowering the overclock once it gets unstable after a few years or by upping the voltage a bit (which will speed the process up marginally).

Mobo and RAM are actually ok-ish (could be better, RAM probably not the best timings, but neither actually bad).
PSU is cheap low end 80+ (not even 80+ Bronze, just 80+). All assuming that steam profile you found is actually that pre-built, but the case doesn't match.
I'd actually argue that they cut corners on the CPU and GPU too. Lowest clocked i5 isn't really what you want for games since you're paying almost the same as for a faster i5, but depending on the game it might actually be slower than a much cheaper i3. And you really don't think the fact that the MSI Armor 4GB is the cheapest RX 580 is a coincidence? Especially with 4GB a higher clocked RX 570 would be more or less the same speed but significantly cheaper. Not so much cutting corners to get the same performance at the cost of lower quality, but to get the impression of higher performance at the lowest cost. RX 580 > RX 570 and i5 > i3 seems obvious, right?

Depending on how much you pay for windows it would cost more or less the same, with more work for you if you build it yourself. So you're definitely not getting ripped off.
The second problem of pre-builts however is do you really want/need those parts? If you want a better mouse and a mechanical keyboard then those included are of essentially no value to you.

Anyway there's multiple options:
1. The pre-built. Would just about do what you want. Maybe add an SSD. Replacing the PSU would add cost so building with the same specs should be cheaper.
2. Building with minor improvements (SSD + maybe different CPU/GPU).
3. Building with major improvements. Do you need a new monitor if you stick with 60Hz for now? Do you need SSD+HDD or can you get away with just an SSD?

Also can you get windows via school/college/university?

#2699
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mVzzM]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mVzzM/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3pWrxr/intel-core-i5-7600-35ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i57600]Intel - Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($218.77 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QXdFf7/asrock-b250m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-pro4]ASRock - B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($52.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jFTPxr/adata-xpg-gammix-d10-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ax4u266638g16-drg]ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($145.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($84.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/44Gj4D/seagate-barracuda-1tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm010]Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($49.56 @ OutletPC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TFWrxr/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-8gb-titanium-video-card-gtx-1070-ti-titanium-8g]MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Titanium Video Card[/url] ($459.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($34.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($48.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Total:[/b] $1096.25
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-08 07:40 EST-0500[/i]

Get any case you want.
If you insist on getting an aftermarket CPU cooler you can go for an i3-8350K + Z370 mobo. Due to only Z370 supporting it, it'll be slightly more expensive (albeit slightly faster as well) even though the 8350K is cheaper. The main difference is that 8350K doesn't come with a cooler so the end result would be significantly more expensive, but if you're buying one anyway then you might as well take that little bit of extra performance and the option of overclocking. Usually K CPU + Z mobo when you're not overclocking isn't worth it, but in this case if you buy a cooler anyway it's only a 10$ difference with a minor performance improvement, so definitely worth considering if only for the resale value.
2702
#2702
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I need a new monitor regardless of what I do, as I'm using a laptop right now and don't have a regular monitor. The only things that I can really reuse are my mouse and headphones. It seems I can get a free key for windows 10 education because I'm in college. In that case building does seem to be the better option; the main selling point of the prebuilt for me was the relative cheapness which in good part came from the included windows 10. With a student key for that building myself seems better.

I also think I'm gonna go with a 144hz monitor. What would major improvements entail? I doubt I can get away with just an ssd without going to prohibitive expense, and I have doubts about the worth of getting a small ssd just for the os, or even os plus a few games. I'm in the habit of starting up and then doing small things like brushing teeth, so the wait till it's booted isn't tedious. I can see how it'd be convenient, but honestly the smaller space feels like it would be more inconvenient to me than the time saved. From what I hear drive lifetime might be an argument, but overall it feels like a 1tb hdd would be all that I really need. If at some point down the line I decide an hdd alone just isn't good enough I can add in an ssd.

I need a new monitor regardless of what I do, as I'm using a laptop right now and don't have a regular monitor. The only things that I can really reuse are my mouse and headphones. It seems I can get a free key for windows 10 education because I'm in college. In that case building does seem to be the better option; the main selling point of the prebuilt for me was the relative cheapness which in good part came from the included windows 10. With a student key for that building myself seems better.

I also think I'm gonna go with a 144hz monitor. What would major improvements entail? I doubt I can get away with just an ssd without going to prohibitive expense, and I have doubts about the worth of getting a small ssd just for the os, or even os plus a few games. I'm in the habit of starting up and then doing small things like brushing teeth, so the wait till it's booted isn't tedious. I can see how it'd be convenient, but honestly the smaller space feels like it would be more inconvenient to me than the time saved. From what I hear drive lifetime might be an argument, but overall it feels like a 1tb hdd would be all that I really need. If at some point down the line I decide an hdd alone just isn't good enough I can add in an ssd.
2703
#2703
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Major improvements = better GPU and/or overclockable CPU (e.g. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mDDHkT ).
SSD isn't just about boot times. I doubt you're brushing your teeth every time you start a program, open a document, save a document, load a map or do literally anything that touches any data.
Adding an SSD means reinstalling the OS.

Any other features other than 144 Hz that you want?

Major improvements = better GPU and/or overclockable CPU (e.g. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mDDHkT ).
SSD isn't just about boot times. I doubt you're brushing your teeth every time you start a program, open a document, save a document, load a map or do literally anything that touches any data.
Adding an SSD means reinstalling the OS.

Any other features other than 144 Hz that you want?
2704
#2704
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Major improvements sounds like what I'm looking for then, and if the budget gets exceeded a bit I was budgeting fairly conservatively. I would still like to stay below $1000, but if there are significant benefits to be had from venturing a little above that, then its not too hard to make happen. As far as other features, were you talking specifically about the monitor or the build overall? For the monitor I was mostly interested in 144hz. How important is it to have gsync/freesync? I definitely can't handle vsync's input lag, so is it viable to just avoid getting so many frames that tearing is a concern? The added cost of gsync seems a little high, but freesync sounds like it has plenty of limitations to offset the affordability. I've heard that displayport is very good to have compared to hdmi, is that true for a build of this scale?

As far as the SSD, I have never used one before so maybe I'm underestimating how much better it will feel. I know it offers improvements essentially to anything you might want to read/write, so faster loads for games/levels, programs, file transfers, and all that. The consensus seems to be that it is worth the extra cost. I end up saving too many videos and such in order to make do with just an SSD, so how strongly would you recommend going SSD + HDD over just trying to tolerate HDD alone? I think in the end the best choice might be the one in #2703, with a 250GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I get the feeling I'll probably have no idea how I made it this long without an SSD once I get one.

I don't think I'm going to overclock, the performance benefits seem marginal and I really wouldn't feel that confident that I'm not messing it up somehow. Maybe in a future build. Thanks for being patient with all my questions; every time I try to go look up the answer myself to things like the advantages of an SSD, freesync/gsync, displayport, etc., it just feels like so much information is out there that it's very hard to parse it to the point I can make a good decision for this build.

Major improvements sounds like what I'm looking for then, and if the budget gets exceeded a bit I was budgeting fairly conservatively. I would still like to stay below $1000, but if there are significant benefits to be had from venturing a little above that, then its not too hard to make happen. As far as other features, were you talking specifically about the monitor or the build overall? For the monitor I was mostly interested in 144hz. How important is it to have gsync/freesync? I definitely can't handle vsync's input lag, so is it viable to just avoid getting so many frames that tearing is a concern? The added cost of gsync seems a little high, but freesync sounds like it has plenty of limitations to offset the affordability. I've heard that displayport is very good to have compared to hdmi, is that true for a build of this scale?

As far as the SSD, I have never used one before so maybe I'm underestimating how much better it will feel. I know it offers improvements essentially to anything you might want to read/write, so faster loads for games/levels, programs, file transfers, and all that. The consensus seems to be that it is worth the extra cost. I end up saving too many videos and such in order to make do with just an SSD, so how strongly would you recommend going SSD + HDD over just trying to tolerate HDD alone? I think in the end the best choice might be the one in #2703, with a 250GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I get the feeling I'll probably have no idea how I made it this long without an SSD once I get one.

I don't think I'm going to overclock, the performance benefits seem marginal and I really wouldn't feel that confident that I'm not messing it up somehow. Maybe in a future build. Thanks for being patient with all my questions; every time I try to go look up the answer myself to things like the advantages of an SSD, freesync/gsync, displayport, etc., it just feels like so much information is out there that it's very hard to parse it to the point I can make a good decision for this build.
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#2705
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Specifically the monitor.
Depends on your fps. G-Sync/FreeSync do nothing when you get more fps than your refresh rate.
Getting less fps makes screen tearing worse. If you get more than your refresh rate you can just cap them, but capping at 30 isn't going to look great.
What would FreeSync's limiatitions be?
DP, DVI or HDMI doesn't really matter. At least one needs to be supported by both monitor and GPU or you'll have problem connecting them. Other than the choice is usually made for you since most 144 Hz monitor only support 144 Hz via DVI (even if they have HDMI port, it would max out at 60 Hz) and G-Sync/FreeSync is usually only available via DP.

For anything other than framerates an SSD is probably the most noticeable upgrade you can get. So I'd recommend adding an SSD before dropping an extra 100$ on a CPU that'll get you an extra 5 fps.
Yes, 250GB + HDD is generally the default choice. 120 is a bit too small to be useful once windows starts taking up a bit more space or when you have more than one large game installed.

Ok, that narrows it down a bit since all oc builds don't make sense in that case.

Specifically the monitor.
Depends on your fps. G-Sync/FreeSync do nothing when you get more fps than your refresh rate.
Getting less fps makes screen tearing worse. If you get more than your refresh rate you can just cap them, but capping at 30 isn't going to look great.
What would FreeSync's limiatitions be?
DP, DVI or HDMI doesn't really matter. At least one needs to be supported by both monitor and GPU or you'll have problem connecting them. Other than the choice is usually made for you since most 144 Hz monitor only support 144 Hz via DVI (even if they have HDMI port, it would max out at 60 Hz) and G-Sync/FreeSync is usually only available via DP.

For anything other than framerates an SSD is probably the most noticeable upgrade you can get. So I'd recommend adding an SSD before dropping an extra 100$ on a CPU that'll get you an extra 5 fps.
Yes, 250GB + HDD is generally the default choice. 120 is a bit too small to be useful once windows starts taking up a bit more space or when you have more than one large game installed.

Ok, that narrows it down a bit since all oc builds don't make sense in that case.
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#2706
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When I looked up freesync and gsync to get a little more information on them there were a couple small limitations of freesync mentioned, really more just things to keep in mind for your purchase. The fps range for it to work was the thing I mainly noticed, and apparently entering and exiting that range isn't a great transition. There is some sort of feature that mitigates that though, so really it seems to come down to just paying attention to the features of the specific monitor. I've been going without vsync and just capping fps when the game allows it for a while now, and don't notice any tearing while playing. In any event, 144hz is the more important part to me. I was looking at the ASUS VG248QE as a potential option, the only real concern I'd have about it is the lack of an adaptive sync feature. It sounds like with a little management though its not too hard to minimize screen tearing, so that doesn't really bother me.

At this point I'm sold on adding the SSD; a 250GB SSD paired with a 1TB HDD should be great. Is there any other information you or is the build basically described well enough now?

When I looked up freesync and gsync to get a little more information on them there were a couple small limitations of freesync mentioned, really more just things to keep in mind for your purchase. The fps range for it to work was the thing I mainly noticed, and apparently entering and exiting that range isn't a great transition. There is some sort of feature that mitigates that though, so really it seems to come down to just paying attention to the features of the specific monitor. I've been going without vsync and just capping fps when the game allows it for a while now, and don't notice any tearing while playing. In any event, 144hz is the more important part to me. I was looking at the ASUS VG248QE as a potential option, the only real concern I'd have about it is the lack of an adaptive sync feature. It sounds like with a little management though its not too hard to minimize screen tearing, so that doesn't really bother me.

At this point I'm sold on adding the SSD; a 250GB SSD paired with a 1TB HDD should be great. Is there any other information you or is the build basically described well enough now?
2707
#2707
2 Frags +

The first 144 Hz FreeSync monitors could only do 90-144 or 70-144 Hz, any new monitor will do 48-144 Hz. If you drop below 48 fps you should not be trying to use 144 Hz. But yes, LFC is a thing now.

NeoviperI was looking at the ASUS VG248QE as a potential option, the only real concern I'd have about it is the lack of an adaptive sync feature.

The ASUS VG248QE is older that both G-Sync and FreeSync. Unsurprisingly it supports neither. It is also generally not recommended anymore because it's a tiny bit outdated. Being the oldest 144 Hz monitor that I know of still sold without any upgrades/improvements since the release and all that. And generally being outdated since 2014.

Any other features you want? Strobing/Lightboost/ULMB or anything else?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Toshiba - P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.88 @ Other World Computing)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($279.89 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $849.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-10 17:26 EST-0500

Obviously will be a bit over budget with the monitor.
Can't really afford much more of a GPU upgrade and without overclocking I don't see any more expensive CPU that would make sense either.

The first 144 Hz FreeSync monitors could only do 90-144 or 70-144 Hz, any new monitor will do 48-144 Hz. If you drop below 48 fps you should not be trying to use 144 Hz. But yes, LFC is a thing now.

[quote=Neoviper]I was looking at the ASUS VG248QE as a potential option, the only real concern I'd have about it is the lack of an adaptive sync feature.[/quote]
The ASUS VG248QE is older that both G-Sync and FreeSync. Unsurprisingly it supports neither. It is also generally not recommended anymore because it's a tiny bit outdated. Being the oldest 144 Hz monitor that I know of still sold without any upgrades/improvements since the release and all that. And generally being outdated since 2014.

Any other features you want? Strobing/Lightboost/ULMB or anything else?

[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxCGWX]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxCGWX/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3pWrxr/intel-core-i5-7600-35ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i57600]Intel - Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($209.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QXdFf7/asrock-b250m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b250m-pro4]ASRock - B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($52.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Yr7CmG/crucial-memory-bls2k4g4d240fsb]Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($91.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($89.99 @ B&H)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jjp323/toshiba-internal-hard-drive-hdwd110xzsta]Toshiba - P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($39.88 @ Other World Computing)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QVWrxr/zotac-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-amp-edition-video-card-zt-p10600b-10m]Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card[/url] ($279.89 @ B&H)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($35.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($48.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Total:[/b] $849.69
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-10 17:26 EST-0500[/i]

Obviously will be a bit over budget with the monitor.
Can't really afford much more of a GPU upgrade and without overclocking I don't see any more expensive CPU that would make sense either.
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#2708
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I've really got no idea about the different monitor features quite frankly, after doing some googling I've got a slightly better idea, but I still feel lost in terms of deciding what is worthwhile. For me, I've been making do with a msi laptop from 2011 until now, so I have no idea what kind of experience to expect from a better monitor with more advanced features. I'm coming more to the conclusion that gsync is more of a luxury that I won't really feel the absence of that acutely. How big of a difference does having a form of strobing make? From what I read most of these features seem to be small improvements I really won't notice very much. I think the main factors for me will be the 144hz, a low response time, and price.

I've really got no idea about the different monitor features quite frankly, after doing some googling I've got a slightly better idea, but I still feel lost in terms of deciding what is worthwhile. For me, I've been making do with a msi laptop from 2011 until now, so I have no idea what kind of experience to expect from a better monitor with more advanced features. I'm coming more to the conclusion that gsync is more of a luxury that I won't really feel the absence of that acutely. How big of a difference does having a form of strobing make? From what I read most of these features seem to be small improvements I really won't notice very much. I think the main factors for me will be the 144hz, a low response time, and price.
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#2709
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You should probably try to test it yourself somehow. I can't decide how much of a difference it would make for you.

You should probably try to test it yourself somehow. I can't decide how much of a difference it would make for you.
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#2710
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I could head over to the nearby bestbuy and see what kind of features the monitors there have and how it feels, probably I can afford to spend some time tomorrow on that. I think either way the monitor will be 144hz, and probably a TN for price and response reasons and just try to calibrate the colors to an acceptable level. The choice will be whether or not to include gsync; I'm doubting that any form of strobing will be a decider. What would be your choices of monitor with/without gsync in this build? If you'd rather wait until after I know for sure to decide on just one that's fine too, you've already given me a lot of really useful help.

Edit: Didn't end up having time yesterday, but today I should. I'd also like to buy the parts soon, #2707 is ready to order?

I could head over to the nearby bestbuy and see what kind of features the monitors there have and how it feels, probably I can afford to spend some time tomorrow on that. I think either way the monitor will be 144hz, and probably a TN for price and response reasons and just try to calibrate the colors to an acceptable level. The choice will be whether or not to include gsync; I'm doubting that any form of strobing will be a decider. What would be your choices of monitor with/without gsync in this build? If you'd rather wait until after I know for sure to decide on just one that's fine too, you've already given me a lot of really useful help.

Edit: Didn't end up having time yesterday, but today I should. I'd also like to buy the parts soon, #2707 is ready to order?
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#2711
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Alright, went by and as I suspected but wanted to hope otherwise there is no way to run even a demo, let alone a full game on any of the monitors. Since I don't know anyone near me that plays much pc games I doubt I'll get a chance to see all of these features just yet. Still, got to see the effect of strobing and how much it reduces the motion blur, and its pretty significant. Still not a priority, and I've decided that gsync simply costs too much for what it is supposed to do. I've honestly never really noticed screen tearing while I'm playing, though doubtless it happens sometimes. So the final decision as far as monitor is 144hz and lower price, other features aren't really worth paying extra for me.

Alright, went by and as I suspected but wanted to hope otherwise there is no way to run even a demo, let alone a full game on any of the monitors. Since I don't know anyone near me that plays much pc games I doubt I'll get a chance to see all of these features just yet. Still, got to see the effect of strobing and how much it reduces the motion blur, and its pretty significant. Still not a priority, and I've decided that gsync simply costs too much for what it is supposed to do. I've honestly never really noticed screen tearing while I'm playing, though doubtless it happens sometimes. So the final decision as far as monitor is 144hz and lower price, other features aren't really worth paying extra for me.
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#2712
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Hello, I was thinking of upgrading my old computer and build a brand new one; looking for a durable build that can last some time without changing all the parts every year. Budget would be around 1000 €, maybe a little bit more if needed.

It will be used mainly for gaming, specially TF2 but also some other upcoming games (I don't need to run all the modern games at ultra high settings with everything enabled, as long as they work fine on medium - high it's ok).

Don't think I can scavenge a lot of the old parts, maybe just the HDD. I'll be reusing all the peripherals for now tho, at least until I have more money. About OC; I was thinking of start testing with it eventually but so far I don't have enough experience yet.

Any help appreciated :)

Hello, I was thinking of upgrading my old computer and build a brand new one; looking for a durable build that can last some time without changing all the parts every year. Budget would be around 1000 €, maybe a little bit more if needed.

It will be used mainly for gaming, specially TF2 but also some other upcoming games (I don't need to run all the modern games at ultra high settings with everything enabled, as long as they work fine on medium - high it's ok).

Don't think I can scavenge a lot of the old parts, maybe just the HDD. I'll be reusing all the peripherals for now tho, at least until I have more money. About OC; I was thinking of start testing with it eventually but so far I don't have enough experience yet.

Any help appreciated :)
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#2713
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#2711
Correct, if you wanted Sync it would be cheaper to switch back to an RX 580 and get FreeSync. However it's difficult to get FreeSync and strobing.
Just for strobing the default recommendation is the BenQ Zowie XL2411 (identical to BenQ XL2411Z if you're looking for a used monitor).

#2712
Any games specifically?
When are you going to build it?

#2711
Correct, if you wanted Sync it would be cheaper to switch back to an RX 580 and get FreeSync. However it's difficult to get FreeSync and strobing.
Just for strobing the default recommendation is the BenQ Zowie XL2411 (identical to BenQ XL2411Z if you're looking for a used monitor).

#2712
Any games specifically?
When are you going to build it?
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#2714
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#2713

Just the ones that came out this year and some of the ones that will come out next years. From the top of my head: AC Origins, Hellblade, Prey, Far Cry 5 (if Ubi doesn't fuck it up lol) Metro Exodus...

I'm not in a hurry to build it, I can wait for a bit if the parts are gonna be cheaper in the near future.

#2713

Just the ones that came out this year and some of the ones that will come out next years. From the top of my head: AC Origins, Hellblade, Prey, Far Cry 5 (if Ubi doesn't fuck it up lol) Metro Exodus...

I'm not in a hurry to build it, I can wait for a bit if the parts are gonna be cheaper in the near future.
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#2715
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Are there any other things I need to worry about like thermal paste? Do I need to worry about case fans or is what comes with the part list you've given me enough? Any other recommendations I might not know to think about as a novice?

Are there any other things I need to worry about like thermal paste? Do I need to worry about case fans or is what comes with the part list you've given me enough? Any other recommendations I might not know to think about as a novice?
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#2716
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#2714

WFlashFar Cry 5 (if Ubi doesn't fuck it up lol)

May the odds be ever in your favour.

Generally, since you can afford it I'd say something like quadcore + 1060 6GB (or RX 580 for FreeSync), maybe 1070.
So basically i5-7600 or 1500X. 1500X would be a bit cheaper, slightly slower single threaded, a bit faster for >4 threads.
1060 6GB / 580 should be within budget, should be enough for everything except FC5 / Metro Exodus since we obviously don't know much fps they'd get in either. Basically 1070 would be enough for high / maxed out in everything, 1060 / 580 not quite enough in ACO, in Hellblade you can get away with less so no problem and Prey needs even less than that.
If you're willing to go a bit over budget (~100€) or maybe wait a bit until the 1070 Ti pushes the 1070 prices a bit lower.

As usual pcp sucks outside of the USA, but I don't really have the time today do it manually with a price comparision site today, so it's just a rough sketch.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (€168.41 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€77.03 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Kingston - HyperX Fury 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€155.50 @ Electronicamente)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€97.94 @ PC Componentes)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€45.50 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card (€449.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (€53.32 @ Amazon Espana)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€74.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €1121.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-15 21:51 CET+0100

#2715
Stock cooler comes with preapplied thermal paste.
Minimum 2 fans, one intake, one exhaust. I generally don't recommend any cases that come with less because it means you're getting ripped off. You can always add more later if you want lower temps/noise. Yes, lower noise too because more fans at lower speed will be quieter for the same volume of air per time.

Don't build on a carpet if you can avoid it (wooden table is ideal and your back and knees will thank you), touch something grounded beforehand so you don't shock anything to death.

#2714
[quote=WFlash]Far Cry 5 (if Ubi doesn't fuck it up lol)[/quote]
May the odds be ever in your favour.

Generally, since you can afford it I'd say something like quadcore + 1060 6GB (or RX 580 for FreeSync), maybe 1070.
So basically i5-7600 or 1500X. 1500X would be a bit cheaper, slightly slower single threaded, a bit faster for >4 threads.
1060 6GB / 580 should be within budget, should be enough for everything except FC5 / Metro Exodus since we obviously don't know much fps they'd get in either. Basically 1070 would be enough for high / maxed out in everything, 1060 / 580 not quite enough in ACO, in Hellblade you can get away with less so no problem and Prey needs even less than that.
If you're willing to go a bit over budget (~100€) or maybe wait a bit until the 1070 Ti pushes the 1070 prices a bit lower.

As usual pcp sucks outside of the USA, but I don't really have the time today do it manually with a price comparision site today, so it's just a rough sketch.

[url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/jRGjPs]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/jRGjPs/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/VtFXsY/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-35ghz-quad-core-processor-yd150xbbaebox]AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (€168.41 @ Amazon Espana)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/dWL7YJ/asrock-ab350m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-pro4]ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard[/url] (€77.03 @ Amazon Espana)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/ryc48d/kingston-hyperx-fury-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-2400-memory-hx424c15fr2k216]Kingston - HyperX Fury 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] (€155.50 @ Electronicamente)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] (€97.94 @ PC Componentes)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/44Gj4D/seagate-barracuda-1tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm010]Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] (€45.50 @ Amazon Espana)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/ph38TW/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-sc-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-5173-kr]EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card[/url] (€449.00 @ Amazon Espana)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] (€53.32 @ Amazon Espana)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/TgW9TW/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze]SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (€74.95 @ Amazon Espana)
[b]Total:[/b] €1121.65
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-15 21:51 CET+0100[/i]

#2715
Stock cooler comes with preapplied thermal paste.
Minimum 2 fans, one intake, one exhaust. I generally don't recommend any cases that come with less because it means you're getting ripped off. You can always add more later if you want lower temps/noise. Yes, lower noise too because more fans at lower speed will be quieter for the same volume of air per time.

Don't build on a carpet if you can avoid it (wooden table is ideal and your back and knees will thank you), touch something grounded beforehand so you don't shock anything to death.
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#2717
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Thanks for the help Setsul! :)

Thanks for the help Setsul! :)
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#2718
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Hey I wanted to drop about 1k on a new pc build, I don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptop, I don’t need a mouse or keyboard but I do want a 144hz with it. I also do an occasional bit of streaming.

Would 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames? If the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best Buy

Hey I wanted to drop about 1k on a new pc build, I don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptop, I don’t need a mouse or keyboard but I do want a 144hz with it. I also do an occasional bit of streaming.

Would 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames? If the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best Buy
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#2719
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VulcanI don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptop

Is there any magic in laptop HDDs that makes nearby desktop HDDs perform like an SSD or what logic is this?

VulcanWould 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames?

Which game and at what resolution and settings?

VulcanIf the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best Buy

Don't.

[quote=Vulcan]I don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptop[/quote]
Is there any magic in laptop HDDs that makes nearby desktop HDDs perform like an SSD or what logic is this?


[quote=Vulcan]Would 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames?[/quote]
Which game and at what resolution and settings?

[quote=Vulcan]If the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best Buy[/quote]
Don't.
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#2720
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SetsulVulcanI don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptopIs there any magic in laptop HDDs that makes nearby desktop HDDs perform like an SSD or what logic is this?
VulcanWould 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames?Which game and at what resolution and settings?
VulcanIf the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best BuyDon't.

It’s a weird hybrid drive but it’s available and free so I was talking about it in terms of price, The only game I care about is tf2 and csgo, going to be used a graphics config/lower settings. I’m used to 1920x1080 but I can always go lower

[quote=Setsul][quote=Vulcan]I don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptop[/quote]
Is there any magic in laptop HDDs that makes nearby desktop HDDs perform like an SSD or what logic is this?


[quote=Vulcan]Would 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames?[/quote]
Which game and at what resolution and settings?

[quote=Vulcan]If the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best Buy[/quote]
Don't.[/quote]
It’s a weird hybrid drive but it’s available and free so I was talking about it in terms of price, The only game I care about is tf2 and csgo, going to be used a graphics config/lower settings. I’m used to 1920x1080 but I can always go lower
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#2721
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SetsulVulcanI don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptopIs there any magic in laptop HDDs that makes nearby desktop HDDs perform like an SSD or what logic is this?
VulcanWould 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames?Which game and at what resolution and settings?
VulcanIf the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best BuyDon't.

I know this may be unrealated, but why don’t you favor the vg248qe? Is it the colors? I currently have one, and I don’t see any problems with it. Also, since I am moving my setup I ordered a new xl2411 for a change.

[quote=Setsul][quote=Vulcan]I don’t care too much about an ssd since I already have a hdd in my laptop[/quote]
Is there any magic in laptop HDDs that makes nearby desktop HDDs perform like an SSD or what logic is this?


[quote=Vulcan]Would 1k be enough to get a build that can sustain 144 frames?[/quote]
Which game and at what resolution and settings?

[quote=Vulcan]If the shipping for the 144hz is too much I can always buy a vg248qe from Best Buy[/quote]
Don't.[/quote]

I know this may be unrealated, but why don’t you favor the vg248qe? Is it the colors? I currently have one, and I don’t see any problems with it. Also, since I am moving my setup I ordered a new xl2411 for a change.
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#2722
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#2720
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($183.59 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($101.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB GAMING X 2G Video Card ($120.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ - XL2411 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($222.91 @ Amazon)
Total: $971.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-23 18:59 EST-0500

RAM depending on what's actually in stock, case whatever you want, but you get the general idea.

#2721
It has been thoroughly outdated for years. Even if the colours weren't as bad (I mean there's other monitors with bad colours too, except with Lightboost/strobing in, it's unbeaten there) I don't know a single thing it does better than newer, cheaper monitors. Essentially all other models were updated and improved and some new models ended up being slightly cheaper while the VG248QE obviously didn't improve and didn't get significantly cheaper for quite a while. So in 2014-2015 the VG248QE cost around 300$, while newer/better monitors sold for 250-270$. I'm not sure how Asus still managed to sell it, but apparently they did. At this point it has finally gone down in price but it's still more expensive than budget monitors and worse than monitors at around the same (and slightly lower) price.

#2720
[url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wfJc3F]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wfJc3F/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k]Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($183.59 @ OutletPC)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7]CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Vys8TW/asrock-z370m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370m-pro4]ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($101.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VKdFf7/team-dark-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tdged416g3000hc16cdc01]Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] ($169.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($84.99 @ B&H)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p97CmG/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-4gb-gaming-x-4g-video-card-gtx-1050-gaming-x-2g]MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB GAMING X 2G Video Card[/url] ($120.88 @ OutletPC)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master - N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($31.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($24.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d6H48d/benq-xl2411-240-1920x1080-144hz-monitor-xl2411]BenQ - XL2411 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor[/url] ($222.91 @ Amazon)
[b]Total:[/b] $971.20
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-23 18:59 EST-0500[/i]

RAM depending on what's actually in stock, case whatever you want, but you get the general idea.

#2721
It has been thoroughly outdated for years. Even if the colours weren't as bad (I mean there's other monitors with bad colours too, except with Lightboost/strobing in, it's unbeaten there) I don't know a single thing it does better than newer, cheaper monitors. Essentially all other models were updated and improved and some new models ended up being slightly cheaper while the VG248QE obviously didn't improve and didn't get significantly cheaper for quite a while. So in 2014-2015 the VG248QE cost around 300$, while newer/better monitors sold for 250-270$. I'm not sure how Asus still managed to sell it, but apparently they did. At this point it has finally gone down in price but it's still more expensive than budget monitors and worse than monitors at around the same (and slightly lower) price.
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#2723
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Hey guys, I'll try my luck here since I feel like you are knowledgable about tf2.

My little brother basically only plays tf2, and I would like to build him a budget pc that could run it well with comanglia's config. (I'd say regular graphics, but he insists on the cfg. Says he got used to it.) No really strict budget. Maybe $600 max if possible, basically I'll pay as much as needed.

If you don't fancy wasting your time, a cpu and gpu suggestion will do.

Hey guys, I'll try my luck here since I feel like you are knowledgable about tf2.

My little brother basically only plays tf2, and I would like to build him a budget pc that could run it well with [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/25328/comanglia-s-config-fps-guide]comanglia's[/url] config. (I'd say regular graphics, but he insists on the cfg. Says he got used to it.) No really strict budget. Maybe $600 max if possible, basically I'll pay as much as needed.

If you don't fancy wasting your time, a cpu and gpu suggestion will do.
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#2724
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Overclocking yes/no?
Anything he could reuse?

Overclocking yes/no?
Anything he could reuse?
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#2725
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Preferably no overclocking, only if necessary (I don't really know how to do that). He's currently on a laptop, so no parts.

Preferably no overclocking, only if necessary (I don't really know how to do that). He's currently on a laptop, so no parts.
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#2726
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Ok.
How much storage capacity does he need? 250GB or more?
Now where are you going to buy it? Because I'm pretty sure Croatia does not use Dollars.
So what currency and country is it? If it is Croatia then give me your budget in kn and either a shop or ideally a price comparision site I can use.

Ok.
How much storage capacity does he need? 250GB or more?
Now where are you going to buy it? Because I'm pretty sure Croatia does not use Dollars.
So what currency and country is it? If it is Croatia then give me your budget in kn and either a shop or ideally a price comparision site I can use.
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#2727
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Thanks.

Here's a good store: https://www.adm.hr/
The store builds it for free, but if they don't have the parts here's a price comparison site: https://www.nabava.net/
I'd like to cut down the budget as much as possible. I'm thinking 3000kn if possible, but could do 3500kn.
He says he'd need 500GB of storage.

Thanks.

Here's a good store: https://www.adm.hr/
The store builds it for free, but if they don't have the parts here's a price comparison site: https://www.nabava.net/
I'd like to cut down the budget as much as possible. I'm thinking 3000kn if possible, but could do 3500kn.
He says he'd need 500GB of storage.
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#2728
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Even 3500kn is "only" 550$ so you're a bit more budget constrained than what 600$ would get you in the US (taxes and all that).

https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=procesor-intel-pentium-g4560-3mb-cache-35ghz-s1151&code=85024ADM
or https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=procesor-intel-pentium-g4600-3mb-cache-360ghz-s1151-bx80677g4600&code=85036ADM if you want to get away with integrated graphics (maybe just for a while).
https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=maticna-ploca-asrock-b250m-pro4-lga-1151-90-mxb3c0-a0uayz&code=86274ADM
SSD only is going to be a bit expensive with 500GB so I'd go with SSD + HDD.
500GB HDDs are almost the same price or more expensive than 1TB so I'd recommend 1TB.
https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=hdd-1tb-toshiba-p300-high-performance-35-7200rpm-64mb-cache-sata3-hdwd110uzsva&code=88067ADM
or https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=hdd-1tb-seagate-barracuda-compute-4kn-35-7200rpm-64mb-cache-sata3-st1000dm010&code=88075ADM a bit faster.
SSD: https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=ssd-120gb-25-sata3-tlc-7mm-sk-hynix-sl308-retail-hfs120g32tnd-n1a2a&code=88155ADM
or 250GB and a bit faster https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=ssd-250gb-samsung-850-evo-sata3-mz-75e250b&code=09826ADM

Figure out what he wants in terms of storage and case and that should pretty much decide what GPU you can still afford (or skip the GPU for now as mentioned above).

Even 3500kn is "only" 550$ so you're a bit more budget constrained than what 600$ would get you in the US (taxes and all that).

https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=procesor-intel-pentium-g4560-3mb-cache-35ghz-s1151&code=85024ADM
or https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=procesor-intel-pentium-g4600-3mb-cache-360ghz-s1151-bx80677g4600&code=85036ADM if you want to get away with integrated graphics (maybe just for a while).
https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=maticna-ploca-asrock-b250m-pro4-lga-1151-90-mxb3c0-a0uayz&code=86274ADM
SSD only is going to be a bit expensive with 500GB so I'd go with SSD + HDD.
500GB HDDs are almost the same price or more expensive than 1TB so I'd recommend 1TB.
https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=hdd-1tb-toshiba-p300-high-performance-35-7200rpm-64mb-cache-sata3-hdwd110uzsva&code=88067ADM
or https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=hdd-1tb-seagate-barracuda-compute-4kn-35-7200rpm-64mb-cache-sata3-st1000dm010&code=88075ADM a bit faster.
SSD: https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=ssd-120gb-25-sata3-tlc-7mm-sk-hynix-sl308-retail-hfs120g32tnd-n1a2a&code=88155ADM
or 250GB and a bit faster https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=ssd-250gb-samsung-850-evo-sata3-mz-75e250b&code=09826ADM

Figure out what he wants in terms of storage and case and that should pretty much decide what GPU you can still afford (or skip the GPU for now as mentioned above).
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#2729
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Thanks so much for your time!
I created a build using your G4560 suggestion. I decided for no SSD, might go for it later or something.
For the GPU I picked a GT1030. Also, would 4GB of RAM be enough for tf2?

Thanks so much for your time!
I created a build using your G4560 suggestion. I decided for no SSD, might go for it later or something.
For the GPU I picked a [url=https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=graficka-kartica-gigabyte-gt1030-2g-2gb-gddr5-64-bit-15061500mhz-gv-n1030d5-2gl&code=62845ADM]GT1030[/url]. Also, would 4GB of RAM be enough for tf2?
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#2730
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Forgot to mention a few things.
Getting an SSD later means reinstalling windows.
I don't think anything below a GTX 1050 / RX 560 is really worth buying. You're much better of either buying a used GPU or sticking with integrated graphics until you can afford something better.
You want dual channel, which is not an option with DDR4 and 4GB since there are no 2GB DIMMs.

Forgot to mention a few things.
Getting an SSD later means reinstalling windows.
I don't think anything below a GTX 1050 / RX 560 is really worth buying. You're much better of either buying a used GPU or sticking with integrated graphics until you can afford something better.
You want dual channel, which is not an option with DDR4 and 4GB since there are no 2GB DIMMs.
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