its 'cool' to talk in a reasonable, empathetic way? Wanna expand on that, or just stick with the personal attack?

but really how do i delete my account i want out NOW please

i dont want to be tempted to respond at all, I know its going nowhere, ban me or something please please please

to me, it seems like the first glance someone would get is his youtube channel or a random time on his twitch. He very rarely is yelling at people, but it just gets blown up on these forums, so really the only people talking about that stuff are here, in these threads. The valve thing could be a legitimate point, thanks for the wholesome reply ; )

WOW! I didnt predict that you guys would be this bad. I came here to be constructive, honestly, not trade insults. (but ps the previous people who have replied with just bullshit (and maybe some of the anonymous downfraggers) are retarded lol, good luck in anything that requires reasoning/comprehension/empathy/having an open mind/communication). Is it maybe that you guys are like 15, 16? That might make it a lil more understandable to me

Also, is it possible to delete my account but leave my posts up? One thing that is becoming apparent is that yall want to fester in your pile of shit/hate and that arguing in a reasonable way, with an open mind, wont result in anything constructive.

alright, im just gonna try to (haha fat chance) stop before things get out of hand as i predict may happen im just gonna close with a few things:

-mods should just delete threads when you shit on a single person. I mean that twitter post thread about b4nny? WTF??? thats pathetic af, like fuckin school children making fun of somebody for liking something. I know a lot of you guys are young so it may be excusable but i do think a fair amount of you SHOULD be mature enough. It really is the mods responsibility to prevent bullying, and dont say its not black and white, cuz it fuckin is.

-and the fuckin video man. Its so ironic that yall are calling him a hypocrite: you call him toxic and then fuckin bully the dude? wtf?

now procedd to LMAO it all out while you give the guy next to you a nice handy
or just hide behind 'downfrags' because constructive conversation concerning a game/community you all seem to like is too hard : /

HOWEVER i fuckin DARE someone to educate me as to why its okay to be an actual asshole to someone for tryharding/getting mad over a game

if you cant, then its a safe generalization to claim that most of you are hypocrites

how the fuck am i suppose to frame an argument without using descriptive language? also ad hominem (i think)

holy shit hes right wtf???? is that all you have to say? i laid my argument out like an open book, you couldve literally picked my weakest points and destroyed me and you say some stupid personal attack, propogating more hate/bs

claim of fact w/o qualifiers or evidence. cmon man. I know youre gonna see my response and think man fuck this tryhard asshole, but tbh, I cant argue you because who the fuck knows if you are right or not : / what that means is weve reached an impasse. So really, i am not really here to sway anybody towards my way of thinking. I just want to say fuck you to people who are being an ACTUAL asshole to him in a polite/constructive manner. Again, I am totalllly fine with someone hating him. And its totally fine if youre like an invite/prem player and are thinking who the fuck is zomz(i am nobody in tf2, fyi), I dont care about his opinion. Thats fine, too, I just think we should -not- be an asshole to somebody. My hope is that I dont come off too slanted and that I do not propagate further drivel

heres a compromising (good thing) but maybe stupid solution: if you must shittalk, maybe keep the shittalk amongst you and your friend's steam chats. Not in a public place.

i really wanna stop hovering over this thread and start studying but i wait with baited breath for a juicy, substantial argument to come out of the woodwork and really challenge me. But tbh, how the fuck are you going to convince me that "yes we should bully someone"?????????????????

ooooh i just noticed the FRAG SYSTEM!!! if you guys giving me negative frags ( : ( ) could give me some insight into why you feel that way, that would be a constructive starting point to alleviating stress/anger. In fact, I would think that for every negative downfrag, if you were to consider them a dissenting opinion, without a corresponding response would only strengthen my argument by proving that people really have no substance to retort with.

another edit - my brain doesnt stop thinking: I know i am going to look like a tryhard typing so many damn words, my response:
1: its fun to write
2: i learn how to construct arguments better, in a way
3: i wanna really test the h8rs to see if theres any merit to their claims

see, i mean the two responses I just got right now are reasonable. You guys may not like him, thats totally ok. But honestly all this band wagoning hate is CRAZY and it really moreover just seems like an elaborate trolling thing that goes waaaaaay too far into literal bullying territory.

also, it's easy to just say 'it goes over the top'. However, it's not easy to deal with that bullshit everyday in pugs.

also also, in b4nny's favor, he, *to my knowledge*, seems as polite as possible in text/forum responses. Maybe in voice chat, he lets in the moment feeling get the better of him, but text seems like a better representation of someone's true intent/belief. I may be completely wrong and I just put a fat hole in my argument haha but ill take the risk.

does anyone disagree??? I really shouldve just posted this I guess, I just wanted to cover all my bases I suppose.

Yeah, I wish he would apologize too. But, like everyone else, he has an ego getting in the way of that. I concede to you in that, however, my main point is that all this ban b4nny/hypocrite shit is really, really mean (for lack of better words haha).

preface: yes i did just make this account

this post pertains more to they hungry hypocrite video but I thought i'd post it here because post relevance doesn't seem to be highly valued atm

I wanted to gain some clear/reasonable insight as to why b4nny deserves all this shit. I understand if you hate him, but I think it would be more polite/compassionate to keep that to yourself.

heres some arguing/conversation points i hope i can get some responses too:
-b4nny seems to have (almost) never PERSONALLY INSULTED someone. Regrettably, there is that european phrase. I cant think of any other relevant examples however. And, honestly, beneath his ego (we all have egos, dont the wrong idea) it would be a safe assumption to think that he regrets saying that.

-the hungry hypocrite video is very demeaning, and honestly I think anyone in this community would feel kinda sad should a similar thing happen towards them

-yes, he does yell at players in pugs. I wish he didn't but thats just who he is, and he does so because he likes to play the game in an understandably serious way. But comparing yelling at high open/im players and above to yelling at new players is ridiculous, is it not?

-Continuing an earlier point: he keeps his insults 'inside the realm of tf2'. With that said, I think it would be unhealthy to take somebody shouting 'youre bad' too seriously. In fact, it almost seems to indicate something negative about your ego, that you cannot take criticism and resort to personal insults/hate

In conclusion, it is completely fine to dislike someone but to condone the ban b4nny and hypocrite video stuff is honestly just plain mean. I hope to encourage constructive argument/dialogue and really hope to gain some insight and maybe maybe moderate some people towards lesser hate. Feel free to troll me with 'b4nny sub' but maybe reply with substance???

thanks

ps: i try -to- make claims of fact by using qualifiers ('i think', 'it seems', etc) so try to not bullshit your way into making a good argument based off of "facts"