Seems kinda weird that now that people have taken the time to rework the map, people want to change all the little things that dont suit them perfectly. Funny that that spot never annoyed anybody because of how little it was actually used. I like to test out a few features that are supported by a group of people while we get rid of major issues with the map ( ammo, ...), but this must not be the occasion for everybody to come up with their own minor and personnal problems (even more when that's unjustified like for this spot on resup we are talking about). In fact, now that more people know that spot, it could had some depth to games.

Clearly not. DX 98 makes your game look really nice but eats up alot of ressources, so your fps will generally be significantly lower than for dx 95 and 90

At the same time, redoing the code of the game in a clean and comprehensive way would take so much time that I'm sure noone wants to do it

The idea is, as you sayed, to correct major issues that most of the people here agreed on.
The fact that more props and features were added just allows the community to test it in the first phases of beta and see what kind of impact those sorts of little things have on the flow of the game. If people find it annoying and game breaking, it can always be removed and reverted down the line.

Alright, I think that's a good reason. This games has too many unintented shit and working our way to more visible and clearly defined hiding spots can only be beneficial imo (for both new player and for people that watch high level games wondering why tf people get to stand on lamps)

We might want to see how the map plays with it. Only then if people complain about it being an annoyance and a game breaking feature, we might consider removing it.

Most defo yeah, should also be removed imo

Only possible with the winger. While the first jump onto that metal sheet can be done with normal jumps, the second onto balcony would be to high

We need epic fanfic readings like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz64IwP7iaM for all dumb and crazy fanfics that exist

We need NAMES

Alright, here is some feedback:

- There is a minor visual bug on blu's last that allows you to see people walking main, although you must be quite close to it
- I like that you removed the "invisible path" on spire as it was a bug and you can still play around spire freely, even as scout. But I'm not sure why you made the plateform of spire a single wooden piece because that crack allowed you to see people potentially coming at you and openened possibilities for rather unusual stickytraps ( @ 1:13)
- This vid is also a good example of weird clipping, especially on spire, that can be abused atm and feels very unfair to me. I did'nt had time to check all the spots with stickies just I thought I'd just post it here and let you see what you want to do with it.
- Here is the spot in resup some people talk about before ( you seemed to be unaware that it existed). I'd suggest that we leave it as it is
- Opening the left side of balcony now means that this spot in trash is pretty much dead as it can now be very quickly checked when pushing out. I don't know how to feel about it but I guess you could still hide behind the barrels in grass.
- Also, I thought I'd share that new scout shortcut because I find it pretty interesting
- The last point feels amazing without the vents, exited to see it played now !
- The spots you added in lobby and house are quite obvious but whatever, defending team pushing out of last will still have to clean them
- Red shutter won't open from either sides but I'm sure that's very easely fixed. Also as ZeFrosty pointed out, opening one shutter will open both lower lobby shutters.
- I personnaly like the addition of the tire to access spire. I doesn't break it while allowing scouts without the winger to get to spire without damaging themselves. Still, having the winger makes you 1 or 2 seconds fast, which can sometimes be gamechanging when you need to push very fast and cap asap before the ennemies contest the point.
- The ramp in choke is nice, I'm sure people will eventually come up with creative rollouts or jumps to do with it.

Good stuff all around, thanks for taking the time Collaide.

Edit: Damn some people were faster are reporting some of that stuff :')

Where exactly would that spot be ?
I guess you could wait for the strawpool results and the changes that it involves to do a first release of it.

EDIT: nvmd, just saw your other post -> http://www.teamfortress.tv/41308/cp-prolands

Indeed

Alright thanks for claryfing that

Thanks, but make sure we don't end up removing all the hiding spots in this map as they are part of it's specificity and they allow for cool/ potentially spectacular plays and backcaps.

Hyped to see those changes ig soon

my god, I thought that guy had leave the game

Why not just use all that money to make the already-existing leagues ( ETF2L and ESEA) bigger with nice prizepools, wtf

Just remove them entirely, aside from trollers and "grieffers" nobody uses them and it would open up more space for cool solly/ demo bombs

+ people don t hit their heads on these vents when they rollout