yeah. After plunging the depths of /r/tf2 for a year I've noticed the majority of it comes down to "I don't play either but I hate that 6s is only 4/9 classes" which makes sense if all you do is pub. Understanding why 6s is the way it is really does just require playing both gamemodes for a while and seeing how things really work. You may think you want to play fulltime spy but after going 5 and 40 over an hour and a half game you start to realize this isn't what you wanted either.

i dont think that's cringe. Voice lines are one of the best parts of tf2 and its sad the heavy and medic never got more.

the problem with communication from a dev-to-customer standpoint is that it almost 100% of the time makes the customer more upset than if nothing had been said. Look at any of the 2011-2013 era kickstarters to see what I mean. The rift had a transparent dev process, which meant all the original goals were laid out and discussed with the community. When the goals got pared down into what was feasible, people were mad. When things took too long, people got mad. When things weren't 100% what the dev said they wanted, people got mad. Keeping quiet is attractive to Valve because it keeps them from making promises they can't keep. Saying "we want to make comp MM" and working behind the scenes meant no one went into it with expectations (theoretically at least), which meant valve was more free to follow different ideas and try out what they wanted to do. They're not commenting on viewmodels because 1. they dont have a 100% goal in mind for them except to make them look good in streams and 2. they don't want to say "we think we can work something out" and then have it not be feasible for their end goal because it would make everyone even more pissed than if we just had to get used to viewmodels in MM

eeeeeelliott

this is the only place I've posted my name publicly tho and I've had a few porn accounts add me so beware

honestly if dishsoap can pull the moral highground over you in regards to shitposting you need to reevaluate your post quality

smesi is nice

can we get a tf.tv chat app :)

Jill runs a community server, actively browses TF.TV, and has shown interest in working with the 6s community where possible. He's not 100% but he's definitely aware that we exist. If I had to guess there's a lot of different directions at valve that are being pulled from and that's splintering the dev focus. Jill seems to be trying to get MM working as best he can, and Eric gets the updates out, but we don't know anyone in between. There's likely an art guy (not important), a programmer (McJohn?), and another game manager (important), and everyone kind of has to be on the same page here. The main goal seems to be get MM playable, viewable, and streamable. The project managers are the ones saying what needs to be done, the art guy fucks around with the HUD all day, and we're waiting on like one or two programmers to really work their way through what is likely a huge list of changes that only they can work on. Even if Jill is locking them in a sweatshop and telling them they can't come out until we esports bois they have to run through half a million dev versions of minor things before it can really get a public build, and they can't really justify dev time being spent on weapon changes when they still need to work on the backend.

This doesn't excuse the absolutely horrible time table for release though. MM shouldn't have been released yet, but I guess community pressure forced their hand idk. Trying to discredit them as not playing the game is silly tho.

dangerous gamer who can NOT be trusted

I don't know that you wouldn't see similar numbers in CSGO among ESEA players tbf

Likely for different reasons, but success with existing comp communities isnt success with the main playerbase

my goal is to shitpost /r/tf2 in to being mildly informed of the game

pub player feels the need to express why he thinks the sleeper was banned and then argues when someone bothers to tell him the actual historical reasoning

do people even try you out at this point?

viper: i mean like actually recommend me
elliott: i did
viper: what is that supposed to mean
elliott: im the real viper fan here

http://puu.sh/qijfa/8e498c1ec4.png

he has 30 posts of people who all say nice things but he only gets 5 upvotes

which is a really good way to describe viper tbh

its stupid but what he's saying is still pretty fair criticism

I don't think focusing on speaking ability is a big deal for anyone rn but its not like its not something that's important