Yes, there will be those people Y but there will also be people who believe that person cheats beyond a shadow of a doubt and go to great lengths to prove it to Y (see: baud & sheep) (see: flusha and the witchhunt)

hey azn can u post a link to your whatever demos you have saved from the past 6 months
I know u have prec :D

rereading a bit, we haven't really gone that far off topic
The AC team should release their reasoning behind banning aZN and, if they used demos as proof, release the demos.
If they cheated, they get banned, end of story.
Releasing the method shouldn't endager the activities of the AC team in any way, shape or form.
The releasing of the method is about maintaining the level of trust within the community as people's trust was broken by the higher level players that possibly cheated in their league and the trust would in turn be regained by the AC team for proving that this person was cheating.

If the AC team is truly confident in their abilities and their decision, I think it would be best if they at least released a statement specific to situations like the current one and to situations around players like baud.

you missed my point entirely and I said I don't need to care, not that I don't care
We've gone so far off topic at this point who cares

Not really what I meant, yes, all cheaters should be banned, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise, however the level of proof necessary, I will argue, is different.

People are more likely to trust what you're saying if it already has some base in their mind and most players look up to and respect higher level players (which is sort of strange).

Imagine trying to convince someone that the president murdered someone and then imagine trying to convince someone that some person who lives in the inner city who has been in-and-out of jail murdered somebody. One of those arguments will be easier.

Another point is that these arguments only pop up when higher level players are banned so...?

Yep, I'm an american, I don't need to care ETF2L doesn't affect me.

quick post before I have to leave
bad player hacking and top level player hacking are two different cases that require two different approaches
see: flusha and that random guy you met on a mm who you're pretty sure is hacking

and I'll repeat that I'm not asking for the exact details of everything released, I'm asking for something other than just a banhammer and a vague reason like "aim assist" or "ESP"

OK those are three things and by comparison the cheaters found by those methods are likely minimal compared to the grand scheme of cheaters caught especially since those methods tend to become public anyway, hence why we know about them

As for those methods, when they're found I would suggest the best idea would be to keep it secret and then ban a lot of the high profile players suspected of cheating in a WAVE similar to how vac does it instead of 1 x 1 and then you'll have proof, bans and you won't have to worry about relying on bullshit methods

as for the little fish they're blatant anyway, why worry?

and the screenshot thing is a huge breach of privacy imo, makes sense why they patched it

loved the last changes
for the 2nd point it would be nice if the non-cafe flank was easier to push,perhaps make it less of an uphill battle / less difficult to fight soldier on top of the wood overhead
for mid the bell tower was one of the most obnoxious places to fight on because of the slanted platforms that you stand on either side and [ ] shape inside
I also felt like as soldier I had a lot of power when I was on top of the cafe roof, I could shoot about the entire mid and safely protect my team while doing so
not really sure what to do about that other than make the rooves unstandable but that seems like a bad solution

I also want to say that I'm not necessarily arguing for the unban of aZN or baud

I'm simply saying proof of their cheats should at least be provided at least because of their status within the community

OK want to repeat, we're not talking about anti cheat clients, there are never any specific cheats that are found and banned for. As for your first point, what makes you think that info available to the AC team is any less available to the cheaters?
As for your second point, they still would.

JarateKing, it's not the best of examples, I will admit. However, it's a fitting example anyway because the focus was on the motivation to act rather than the act itself

If you're downloading hacks you probably are already an idiot and won't be smart enough to effectively cover your hack
although there are exceptions, these would be the people who are difficult to catch anyway

*typo

ok first: THERE IS NO USE OF PROGRAMS TO CATCH CHEATERS HERE
second: I NEVER CALLED ANYBODY STUPID
I may have unintentionaly implied it but if that is so I did not mean for it and apologize as such

better example
if I want to learn how to play guitar and I have internet access and my sister (who I live with) owns a guitar
does that mean I will learn how to play the guitar?

explain why I'm actually curious

I understand that there are more resources readily available for them to use but just because there is a library down the road from my house doesn't mean I'm going to read a book

if these players are too stupid to learn how to hide their hacks what makes you think they'll look at AC posts to learn how to hide their hacks?

did you just provide proof for my argument that AC teams should provide some sort of explanation behind a ban by telling the world what your methods were and yet cheaters will still be able to be banned by AC teams everywhere?

I never argued for a client, for the reasons you gave