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I never said market gardener is a good weapon, I personally think it's pretty bullshit to play against but that's another discussion entirely. Trying to say "this bullshit weapon should be allowed because this other bullshit weapon is allowed" is fairly shortsighted in my opinion because maybe that other weapon shouldn't be allowed.

You can't always spam from on top of an ammo pack and during fights you can't always just hold rockets / get ammo. It's fairly easy to run out of ammo during really long fights, especially on pocket, where you don't trade frags and don't get ammo but still need to shoot at things to not die, obviously it doesn't happen every fight but it does happen.

I've personally never had an issue taking down a sentry while one of the soldiers on my team was on cow mangler, never in a pug never in a match, even against rescue ranger. I know it feels like it should matter but it doesn't. In a lot of instances where killing the gun isn't something you can do during an uber exchange, the soldier with mangler can spam the engineer while the other soldier shoots the gun and it'll all work out.

Spamming your rockets willy nilly because you have infinite reserve is just bad but for instance, infinitely spamming 1 rocket at garage from yard while mixing up your timings basically means you should be able to get free damage on anything trying to peak that doorway and that's something you can do on most maps.

Also the argument "good soldiers can manage ammo, so it basically doesn't matter" doesn't address the fact that you have to be managing ammo, which in addition to being a "skill" (if you care about that) also affects you're positioning.

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what, no ?
heavy already does an absurd amount of damage once fully spun up, the damage reduction doesn't make as much of a difference as the fact that if you hit a scout he's not gonna be able to move and then you're gonna be able to hit him more, it also lets you stop people from escaping. I think a lot of people would argue that maybe tomislav is better but because of the damage ramp up, the extra deploy speed is largely irrelevant. I always thought minigun was only better because it let you outdps some things that you don't really need to outdps in a 6's environment. The natascha is straight up the best weapon in the slot, it's just not as obvious and not as greatly abused as the jarate.

collaterals aside, the body shot damage this thing does is insane, you'll almost always be able to kill a scout (at least 95% of the time) and most of the time you'll kill a jumping soldier. Obviously you can argue that hitting a full charge body shot means they're probably gonna die anyway but that's just not true. You can fully shut down aggression with a bodyshot but it's pretty hard to get a kill without team assistance/ other team just being dumb. The machina is only a downgrade if you're trying to do some sneaky shit and you miss a shot, you get a much better opportunity at a second/third one and if you're not playing with your team and you need to noscope something, which you can just avoid altogether.

just because something doesn't matter every push doesn't mean it should matter on any push. A charge shot can literally destroy a full advantage push, and it's not something that happens once in a blue moon, it happens fairly regularly. Regardless of whether the shot hits, if the enemy team is aware of it, they're forced to wait for the shot, which slows down the game and since you're never going to use the charge shot in a place that will increase the tempo of the game and instead only as a spam tool that's basically entirely dependent on whether the enemy team is aware of it and therefore pretty random.
The damage to sentry's is largely irrelevant because on quite a few maps having one player with the cow mangler makes ammo management significantly easier and often times one soldier is enough to kill a sentry and then on top of that the number of situations where a chargeshot + 1 soldier spam wouldn't have accomplished what double soldier spam would've is basically zero.
I also don't think really understand how important ammo is in tf2, like obviously if you're low you're going to need to pick some up but having an infinite amount basically means you never have to stop spamming and you never have to hold rockets. If there isn't spam it's pretty easy to run through a choke and take a fight, not even necessarily as a team. For instance, sometimes you could run a scout through granary garage to take a 185 v 200 hp 1v1 in left yard when the soldier stops shooting. If that soldier has infinite ammo that's basically impossible because he's never gonna stop looking at it.

obviously the changes to the whitelist were, at least in some ways, motivated by community opinion but if you're gonna not ban weapons that the community favors banning at least have solid and accurate reasoning, which doesn't seem to be the case.

holy fucking shit

for long term and for extended gaming sessions it's not just preference

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I thought this was already a rule ?

unless you force your team to play really stalematey or you're in a stalemate situation banners are not usually a --sidegrade--, especially on roamer. Paintrain isn't really useful at all besides a few cases on gullywash and badlands.

There are a fuckton of weapons in this game that basically aren't usuable, people don't complain that they can't use those. Just because an item is stock doesn't mean it's the best designed item in that slot. That tends to be the trend but it's not necessarily true.

vaccinator and rescue ranger should be banned because they actually slow down the game and punish people for trying to push

I think the decline of TF2 has had very little to do with how the community has handled itself recently. TF2 peaked right before the csgo skins update and before the first international, after that there's been a slow decline because TF2 isn't it the only game in existence. Overwatch has introduced a true competitor to tf2, something that didn't exist before. Through all this tf2's playerbase has declined a bit and it's competitive community has also declined a bit, especially since it's been painfully obvious that to many people that the game isn't going to suddenly blow up.

Tf2's decline has nothing to do with the crossbow "slowing down the game" (which it doesn't). I think it's important to remind people that correlation does not mean causation.

I want to also state the only thing close to a valid argument for crossbow being banned was one of Marxist's posts, which in itself was anything but convincing. I think at this point it's really difficult to argue that crossbow makes the game worse, certainly different but this whole "ban crossbow" thing really seems like a matter of opinion. It also seems like the majority of people would prefer the crossbow unbanned, especially for those who have actually played since the crossbow was released.

A lot of these "ban crossbow" posts show fundamental misunderstanding of how the game works and how one play is not always THE play. So if everyone could chill with spamming the forums with these threads that'd be great thanks.

I thought we dispelled this myth
the strawberry mangoes roster finished 5th (free, paddie, muma) which is the only set of "good-but-not-top-invite" b4nny has picked up recently
arekk finished 4th on luca goers and 3rd on bird noises
nursey finished 4th on luca goers and 2nd on ascent
habib finished 4th on luca and 3rd on froyo black
blaze was in a somewhat comparable situation when he was picked up
4th on area 51, 3rd on br0 x2, 3rd on tri hards

unless you classify "top invite" as being on teams placing 1-2, in which case blaze does not qualify, b4nny has picked up top invite players that just happen to not be on the top2 teams

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