It does however establish some credibility for each tournament/event.

no one I've talked to thinks this ruleset is anything but a meme and it's a pretty big meme in my opinion too.

holy shit puo

can someone seriously explain to me a reason that we need/want this format besides "sigafoo"

12 year olds think everything is funny, especially the stuff everyone else has been done with for years

no1 quits tf2 etc

on a side note that means every member of full tilt minus thalash is currently teamless
and so is puoskari...

literally cocaine

that looks like war almost

This also helps clear trash when you're pushing out, so I actually really like that.

@Hyce can you make a version of the map with a 6 second increase on the spawn timer and an ammo change and maybe this change too if people are liking it.

I've seen 23 seconds on badlands last so

I agree that for some reason whenever people have changed badlands they've decided to change way more than is needed
I think the captime is fine, I've personally never felt like badlands last was unpushable and I've never felt it's specifcally harder to push badlands than any other last.

I feel like this is long overdue

So currently badlands has two major issues that keep it from being on par with the best maps in the pool. It's currently almost impossible to push out of last against a team that knows what they're doing (Mixup was almost unbeatable on badlands in huge part because of this) and there's like no ammo for some reason. The ammo is an easy fix, just switch the ammo boxes in each house from small the medium, this will help the ammo situation in basically the entire map.

The pushing out of last thing is a little more complicated. Currently, I think the biggest issue is the spawn time for the attackers, it takes about 10 seconds to spawn if you die while pushing last, which basically means unless you wipe you're going to be fighting for spire as well. This is not the case on any other map. On any other map, if you drop 3+, you lose the 2nd point. On top of all this, the spawns for the defenders are 20(!!!) seconds, which means if you fuck up while trying to push out, you lose the round. There are the issues of the amount of hiding spots in lobby, back cappers and scouts ability to get onto the spire but I think that all mostly goes away if you fix the spawn time by just increasing the spawn time from 10 to 20 seconds.

Obviously it would be nice if valve could just fix this stuff but I don't trust valve to do anything in a timely fashion and I don't have the hammer skills to make this stuff happen and I'm sure some other people will have some things to say about the map so here's the thread to discuss.

he's literally opened the game once on an alt since he quit

thanks I really appreciate it

please don't capitalize my name
I'm getting triggered

no mana = forum chaos