It's overpowered compared to the underpowered existing options (minus FOS I guess). By itself it's fine, Heavies don't make big impacts at mid anyway, any good team can focus fire them down, as has been demonstrated in the recent showmatches. Also isn't Escape Plan the same thing?

Random shitters = new players???

This must mean 6s is an anti-competitive hugbox :)

try a crosspost in the regular tf2 subreddit, valve reads there more often. also some demos on truetf2 want the bug to stay rofl

they were pretty smart to sprinkle the 3 nerfs over the patch notes to not piss off too many people. i think it's good though.

the damage is also down by about ~20, and the radius is now in line with rockets always, so

amazing

How many unlocks are worth running full time though?

If that system was put into place there'd need to be more than like 10 good ones. You wouldn't ban something with no impact on the game, and you wouldn't run something that was niche or useless.

It's not a bad idea, but it would require Valve to actually superbuff a lot of shit. And I don't see why stock shouldn't be bannable too.

Hm so that was basically the same thing as last week? BFB dominates, Engie/Heavy/Pyro are shit even with unlocks, Quick-Fix is mostly run but some Kritz plays destroyed it, Demo is still the best. It's all there in the VODs.

I still don't think the teams really fully explored their options, especially for BFB: even if it sounds stupid I want to see how Natascha, Beggar's, etc. counter it. Would be interesting to see Scout class limits at 1 as some people brought up.

Props to the casters for being open-minded, makes for much more interesting commentary than complaining about certain weapons. Really fun games.

*plays 6s and is a demomain* only 6s matters and demo doesn't deserve a nerf

8th graders thinking they're too cool to hang with 7th graders

why does the frag system still exist or why can't you see who's + and - fragging you yet

it's not being weak- it's not wanting to put up with shitheads as outlined in this thread.

o yeah i meant the smash 4 section. live games are also different. shit talking is funny but you can't really risk much if you want new blood. because that ends up attracting the snotty pubstar hybrids instead of the players you desire.

how does ugc deal with the quickfix if it's so bad? i know the 6s scene is weak but still. and wasnt heavy a factor in the ban too? he's been nerfed since then. i don't really wanna get into this again but i'm just saying. of course valve definitely needs to follow up on balancing, still haven't gotten that fucking sticky nerf.

etf2l is trying out new unlocks and players are telling them the same thing, lol. one of the funny things is 90% of that shit will never get used in a match anyway. give players a chance and theyll figure out counters to the stuff that does get used, anyway. the guy that hosts arena:respawn tells me teams figured out counters to shit like the short circuit, which as we know is something of a task to get pubbers and 6s/HL players to do

if you want comp tf2 to grow you can't fling shit for laffs because of the small size of the scene, it leaves much more of an impression. if a new player comes here and reads all the toxicity, well why the fuck would they want to stay, they're not legacy players, they're not in good with the vets, there's nothing for them really. the sort of gang mentality here just serves to deflate enthusiasm and quash real discussion

If you want to compare TF2 to Smash Bros as some posters have done, Smashboards is 100% politically correct and it has worked out very very well for them. it's a very fun community without being, like, whitebread. if someone complains about a character, they are laughed away instead of here where people just love to jack off to pyro hate for example (which is actually really anti-competitive in the first place). even if you don't really believe that, you'd have to be stupid not to realize posting it on a public forum is a bad idea

You basically have to ask yourself if you want to keep veteran TF2 players around or introduce new blood onto the scene, because finding a happy medium seems to be impossible. If it's the latter, sacrifices and changes will have to be made. somehow i don't think the majority of players actually want that though. they want to keep 6s a social thing, and keep it the same.

I guess the point is the central hub for comp TF2 doesn't act like it.

Valve used to make big changes, but players (pub and comp) flipped out on them and scared them into ever changing the game up again. Even if you didn't like them (do you really think Dota players graciously accept every change?), Quick-Fix, Short Circuit, Sticky nerf were all big Dota-style changes that the community rejected to keep the game the same.