You do have good points in your argument, the medic absolutely does not have immediate access to the health pools of the enemy players, however, there are many situations where medics could absolutely be positioned in such a way that they are safe/not taking any risks with their positioning, but the health number they are reading out to their teammates are at that moment incredibly useful. Most obvious example is midfights. Medics stay present with their team on mid fights, and it won't be difficult for a half-decent medic to position himself safely with line of sight of his enemies at the same time. Considering how much of an impact a midfight can have on the rest of the round, I'm hard pressed to find a reason why I wouldn't run solemn vow, if at the very least to mids.

Again, it is possible that running out to peek an enemy's health could be considered a risky move, but it could also be a very safe and smart move. It depends on the situation really. However, if Solemn Vow were to get unbanned, the opportunity to get 25% uber from a melee would be considered so situational (as it already is, you could argue), that I have a hard time imagining medics perma-equipping (or switching to and from) the ubersaw for specific situations like those when they could play it safe the entire match and have constant access to the health, uber percentage and medigun of any enemies that crawl in their sights.

I don't necessarily think so. This is because I think it is now easy to see, hear or tell when a player has gotten arrowed, thanks to the visual and audio cues the arrow makes when it lands on a damaged friendly, or even the fact that a player could be standing statue still in order to receive and arrow could give that away. Plus, you will always be able to tell that players who have gotten crossbowed are now at least at 100-150 health, or they are 100-150 health greater than they were before (minus any buffs).

When I say that the solemn vow ruins the health counting metagame, I mean that it makes the skill of keeping track of the enemy players' health pool that so many players have learnt and mastered completely useless now. Worse yet, teams that decide not to run a solemn vow should it be unbanned will still have to keep track of all that stuff, which no team would do, 'cos why make your job harder?

Hey guys.

With announcements of the new whitelist, I have seen many people go ape shit about the soda popper and quick fix being unbanned. And rightfully so. Those weapons are disgustingly designed and would destroy even more of the fun to be had in 6s.

However, last night it really struck me how big of an impact allowing the solemn vow will have on the 6s medic and his role/playstyle. I decided to write a bit of a rant, though I'd prefer to call it an explanation, showing exactly what an unbanned solemn vow means to me as a medic main.

Please note that I am by no means saying that the quickfix or sodapopper are lesser offenders to the problem with the new whitelist. I am simply voicing my personal concern about the solemn vow's unbanning, as many others already have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdrkXL08erE

I'm sorry that the video is literally just me talking for 6 minutes, but I figured I had to try my best to show people exactly why the weapon needs to be banned before it's too late.

If you'd rather read what I say in the video instead of hear me talk, here is a pastebin link to the entire script I read out.

Please, if having a support class that is atleast somewhat fun to play and having a whitelist without overpowered weapons is important to you. Please boycott this new whitelist. Inform as many players as you know about the horrors that await us.

Thank you for your time.

Edit: Also, I would really appreciate it if everyone were to keep the discussions in this thread as civil as possible. If you agree with what I've had to say in this thread, then do so in a civil manner, I do not want to see any names being called out, as that doesn't make anyone on our side look good.
If you disagree with what I've had to say here, please do voice your thoughts as well. As long as you keep things civil, I would love to have a discussion with anyone that comes forth with any interesting counter arguments.

Once they mentioned that they're working on game balancing my blood went cold.

I just read all the comments by babs on that thread and you guys honestly got baited really fucking easy lol

I'm studying A levels at the moment, tho I'm not taking them that seriously.
I have a job in IT with a gaming (gambling) company and it's pretty sweet. Pay is pretty good, the people are fun to be around and the environment is welcoming.
Whenever I go out I'm either skating with my friends or going out to a bar or techno club.
I have philosophical debates with myself and listen to music when I'm bored of playing TF2,

I think it's a bold statement to say that pubbers don't get into competitive because pubs aren't competitive enough themselves, and I don't think making pubs a more competitive environment will increase the popularity of competitive TF2, simply because pubs are meant to be a very relaxed environment where the general mindset of players is to just fool around and enjoy themselves. Valve tried making pubs more interesting by replacing quickplay with casual mode, which put a bit more emphasis on the score of the two teams, but that didn't really change much.

Also, I don't see how those points you mentioned about pubs tie in to the points you made about making people want to play medic. And medic doesn't need any more buffs as he is. Good medics are incredibly difficult to kill as they are. Giving them perma scout speed will give them even more survivablity and make them even more difficult to kill, even if their health pool is reduced by 25 points. And games where both medics survive a lot have a higher tendency to be a bit more stalematey, which nobody wants.

Yo anybody else getting matches that are incredibly one sided and complete rolls? I thought there was an update earlier on that was an alleged huge improvement to game balance...

Edit: I'm an idiot

Stupid questions incoming probably, but how do I install this? Will this allow me to make use of spectator the way they look on tftv casts? Also, would it allow me to set a button tied to every player in the stv, or is that not how it actually works?

This is ridiculously ignorant. It's like telling a depressed person "Lol just stop being sad :)"

If it's something that's inhibiting on your mental well being or is making achieving a normal experience difficult both as a social being and as an individual, then you 100% should see a therapist about it. You already mentioned that you're having nightmares and flashbacks. If you notice changes in your eating and sleeping patterns, or notice you're eating/sleeping a lot more/less then that's even more evidence that things aren't right.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4S2qlQGs0

How the fuck has it been 7 years since MBDTF's release and fucking melon head still doesn't consider it one of the greatest hip hop releases of the decade?

I would love it if after this, we get started discussing about map pools and game modes. A lot of people are gonna hate me for saying this, and I do love 5CP, but I think 6s would be so much more fun if we resorted to KOTH as our main game mode.