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#50 Announcing the GGL Advanced Playoffs in TF2 General Discussion

Absolutely massive essay incoming, will likely be two parts.

Camp3r’s posts were out of line and disrespectful to the community, they did not address the situation at hand but laid out his pent-up frustration of being an admin for a prolonged period for RGL. This has been acknowledged internally,

DrHappiness

And funny enough, there is/was an internal policy for posting on threads like this, it is clear that after this incident it needs to be implemented again.

I just wanted to say to camp3r’s impact, even before he was head admin, camp3r was the head and shoulders of RGL, without him, not a single match is scheduled, and the lower divs do not function let alone exist (which is much of the league). And I wanted to ask that, if possible, y’all show some mercy for him because I promise you a camp3r in his right state of mind does not make these posts (take that as you will).

However, I will not admit that everything in his posts is complete non-sense, and I would like to provide some perspective as to how we got here in the first place.

The transition from ESEA to RGL was already tough, admins did not know how to admin or act publicly, players did not know how to handle admin intervention (let’s be honest, ESEA had literally no active admins except for the occasional prayer from tri, so in NA it was quite literally the wild wild west). RGL fucked up numerous times, and was completely flamed by the community for it, which 10/10 during the earlier era was warranted. They were not only growing pains of the league, but a result of misguided leadership from up top and not adjusting to the wants of the players in time. I would say this period spanned from around Season 1 to about Season 6 of RGL. In that time, RGL made themselves public enemy #1, and for many reasons rightfully so! I remember being on those threads and reading some of the ridiculous shit and unclear rulings that were taking place; I posted quite a few times myself. This began the (perceivably) unrepairable relationship that the community (or tftv in this case) has with RGL. As reno became 6s HA, PR improved massively and the shitshow that was public RGL posting finally became reasonable, though I would say that the mentality was still cautious around player feedback. Tftv RGL threads themselves began to disappear as RGL was seemingly doing a little better of a job, though of course not perfect. There was the occasional thread bringing up stuff that happened in past seasons, things the current administration could literally not control, and other threads that had some relevancy and were helpful in putting RGL in its place.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the resentment that existed in the early days for RGL still exists, despite the efforts from the admin team to attempt and salvage what was left. I wish I could hit the reset button and completely wipe the past PR garbage shitshow insane-fest from history to fix this, but it’s obviously not possible. I won’t say either that the community pre-conception/apprehension towards RGL is completely unwarranted, but as the admin team has grown out of treating players like crap, the same could not be said for the current NA tf2 environment. To be clear, this is not just on tftv, there is a clear indication that no matter what RGL does, good or bad, there will always be the idea that RGL is against the people, RGL bad, what have you, (which is something I have heard touted in numerous pugs, scrims, matches, etc.). Because of this, a lot of (veteran, lol) admins have felt this built up resent and feel like we are constantly shat on by the community, which for a volunteer position is exhausting. I’m not saying this is happening to the level to which admins perceive it, and to an extent I believe it is exaggerated by the interactions that can leave a sour taste, building up over time into a warped perspective.

For example, this is something that just happened in advanced with the scheduler fucking up and me being too latent to fix it. I admit that I fucked up here, and it’s not about the fact that there was a post or the fact that I dropped the ball, they are completely justified in being upset, it’s that there was an entire ticket and good faith effort that I put in to try and both resolve and explain the issue. I promised going forward it wouldn’t happen again and I would make damn sure that there was official policy to stop this from happening (this is not the first time this has happened in advance!). It’s the fact that the post made literally no mention that admins were contacted and that the issue was attempted to be solved, in fact it made it sound like I made no effort to do anything. To be frank, it not only made me feel like shit, but I also questioned why I went through any effort to respond to it in the first place, as it felt as though my effort was completely ignored. They are in every right to ignore what I said, the thought I put into the entire situation, but it doesn’t stop me from feeling useless when it gets turned on my head publicly.

I think interactions like this, even those hidden in tickets and dispersed around the whispering of pugs, creates the mentality of it being extremely difficult to admin in this community. It feels like after turning every corner there is a massive brick wall that is the community perspective, and no matter what I do or what good faith effort is put in, it’s impossible to change.

However, I would like to reiterate here that it only seems this way from an admin perspective, and I don’t speak for everyone, though I do not think what I am saying is completely inaccurate. Despite what it may seem like, and I don’t have to say this, but I encourage people to keep posting on the forums with league issues if admins are incompetent. The league needs to be held accountable, though I ask that you show at least some courtesy to admins that put in logical, rule-based effort to help you out.
I would ask that people apply to RGL, but I cannot advocate that anyone become an admin after the interaction I had with a fellow member of staff just yesterday.

RAONICALIAS

The highest member of staff actually, the owner, arcadia.

posted about 3 years ago
#54 RGL S12 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
crazy

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MV19efzlWwrCvZ7ZtFgPOfQGHkS_4IEd/view?usp=sharing
Make sure to download it to read it it's a mess in google drive preview lol.
Here is the entire ticket that you opened and had access too. I think we did an okay job of explaining what the issue was, and in the future it is imperative that it is standard that teams in the 4/bubble playoff spots have rematches if they are this close. Going to have to throw this in the rulebook and make this standard going forward, as was explained in the ticket. Acting like this was the only reason why your team did not make playoffs is also somewhat disingenuous.

Tl;dr from the ticket, the scheduler goes a little haywire with lower team counts and when matches get pushed from week to week.

posted about 3 years ago
#23 Announcing the GGL Advanced Playoffs in TF2 General Discussion

I very much understand the frustration that teams are having when it comes to playing against someone they believe to be cheating. What I am offering is the best compromise I have for the time being, that is the delaying of advanced playoffs for the next week or two to give AC more time to make a decision. This is not an ideal situation, and I'm more frustrated that we couldn't get something better to work, but on such short notice this is what I have.

For some context, some (lightly modified) messages I sent to chell within the last hour:

"I have literally 0 control over when AC gets through their cases, if people have an issue with an alleged cheater playing there is no way for me individually to speed up the process. The barrier that we are faced with is that AC needs absolute refutable evidence that he is cheating, they have an extensive process for this and it is not simply limited to staring at a demo and measuring reaction time (not that this is an invalid way of checking someone is cheating, just saying it can be somewhat superficial)."

EDIT: That being said, I have no clue what their is involved in their process, I am no expert in the slightest, people should still submit demo ticks when they find stuff suspicious.

"Also being said, if teams decide to play Gilbert’s format, that’s fine and I understand the precedent, but at this time they will not be considered official matches. Refusal to play playoffs after a decision is made will likely result in forfeit penalties and loss of prize winnings."

posted about 3 years ago
#47 RGL S12 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion

Due to schedules not working out with the potential playoffs teams weekend playoffs is very unlikely to happen this season. However, I'll still be offering to create matches as soon as each respective round of the double elim is played, so playoffs teams will be welcome to try and coordinate something that works best for them (and hopefully finish playoffs within a week or so). Next season I'll aim to set the weekend for playoffs before the season begins so players have ample time to schedule around it.

Week 7 demo requests will be out after all (week 7) matches are played next week. There will be a HARD DEADLINE of Saturday, July 15th 11:59 PM est for all demos including week 5 (this will be included in the message to your team leader). I've been fairly flexible on the time constraints but this deadline is non-negotiable since standings have to be finalized over the weekend.

As always reach out with any questions y'all have, demo requests will be out no later than next Thursday afternoon.

posted about 3 years ago
#45 RGL S12 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion

HELLO! I know a lot of people browse on here periodically so I figure a general post here would be effective. TLs, along with demo requests for week 5 is going to come a message/poll for advanced having weekend playoffs, as that seems to be what everyone prefers. The tentative dates are either July 15th-16th OR July 29th-30th (both Saturday/Sunday) as to avoid interfering with invite playoffs. Every team leader will be polled, so please discuss with your players to find out what dates work best for your team. Because the dates are on a weekend and people need time to plan, it's likely that we will decide the date by the end of Week 6 (Sunday, July 2nd) so please be ready to respond ASAP.

Matches should be out tomorrow, please message me with any questions or concerns!

posted about 3 years ago
#39 RGL S12 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
chellScream36 hours gets you their first ban and 24 hours gets your team the map pick. Ok but what about the days the matches are announced like a day before, where 36 hours isn't even possible.

Matches should never get pushed out that late again, if they do for whatever circumstance (if a playoffs deciding match needs to be played, for example) tuesday's enforcement of that rule will get waived. If they are getting pushed late for whatever reason I'll post here and message TLs so people know.

posted about 3 years ago
#37 RGL S12 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
GuyehhhhCAN RGL START FORCING TEAMS TO BAN MAPS FASTER AND NOT 2 MINUTES BEFORE THE MATCH IS HAPPENING? THANKS [RGL PLAYER ASSOSICATION]

If teams are being cringe and not picking until the last second 100% open a ticket and submit a veto (assuming you have attempted to contact them). Don't be afraid to request vetoes, if teams are being untimely they should be punished in some way, but that's not something I'm going to be going into 15 team leaders dms about lmfao. It's not a scumbag thing to do given matches take time to prep for in scrims, this is the most reasonable way to get teams to be better about getting their bans in on time. 36 hours gets you their first ban and 24 hours gets your team the map pick. The rule linked below is linked on every single RGL match page that goes out in both invite and advanced.
https://docs.rgl.gg/rules/sixes/3003/#3003_2-regular-season-pick-bans

posted about 3 years ago
#34 RGL S12 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion

Matches from now on will get scheduled as soon as the matches for the current week get played (barring any reschedules to later weeks, if that's the case matches will still get pushed assuming the match is not important for seeding). This is pretty simple for us to do and I'll do better about staying on top of it for the rest of the season (there is really no excuse not to lol). Typically matches go out on Saturdays but it's actually easier to prioritize divs to get matches out ASAP.

If you are curious about how matches are selected, advanced (as well as every div below it) is currently a swiss system that prioritizes avoiding rematches for as long as possible so it benefits the algorithm to wait for as many matches as possible to be played before matches are created/posted. Idk anything about the specifics of the algorithm but this is my base understanding, exa and dubthink understand more. Hope this makes it easier for teams to prepare/schedule, feel free to message me if I am slow at getting matches out with camper.

Matches for this upcoming week should be out now :)!

posted about 3 years ago
#3 RGL S11 Advanced UBF: #1 Kronge Realm Rose vs. #3 HAMSTERDAM in Events
UnconscioussiyoSwitch up: Pabl0 and Scream will be joining us!AS THE LEGAL REPRESENTATION OF TM06 THIS WAS NOT DISCUSSED

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsGujFoX0AIifj1?format=jpg&name=large

posted about 3 years ago
#70 RGL S11 Advanced Happenings/Discussion in TF2 General Discussion
scratchh

Glitch with RGL website when the team got marked as dead and remarked alive making it so the system thinks they haven't paid (it says they have paid for the dead team and not the alive team? Good website). All the payments were confirmed on the backend but I guess the visual glitch remains.

posted about 3 years ago
#6 3rd place b4nny in TF2 General Discussion

hubida - Cool Cids club 10/12/2021 12:05 AM EDT Well GG █████████████████████████████████████████ have fun █████████

posted about 3 years ago
#1 LFP DH Atlanta Frick eSports in Recruitment (looking for players)

Hello! We are currently looking for 2 players to round out our roster for the upcoming DH.

Scout: Scream
Scout: Shiny
Soldier: Crasian/Bear
Soldier: FrickmyNick
Demo: alfredodan
Medic: Crasian/Bear

If you're interested please add me on steam or message me on discord (Scream#4249)! :)

posted about 3 years ago
#22 Scream lft in Recruitment (looking for team)

bump, working on being a better teammate and trying stick with a team for the next couple seasons :).

posted about 3 years ago
#12550 stream highlights in Videos

https://clips.twitch.tv/BashfulBlueAniseImGlitch-UqTXfCDZa-O5U_b9

posted about 3 years ago
#13 mono lft in Recruitment (looking for team)

Eternally stoned

posted about 3 years ago
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